They struggled to finish fourth through most of that time. If that’s the height of our ambition then I guess we can give it a go.
José Mourinho | 2018/19 Performances
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They struggled to finish fourth through most of that time. If that’s the height of our ambition then I guess we can give it a go.
No we should play positively, and then fix the issues we see. My point was our defenders were better than theirs, and even our midfield. So I don't buy thats the reason for the way we play.
Silly. Take a look at each team now. Neither of us have a league title to show for the past 4-5 years, but they've just been to a Champions League final, play some of the best football in the country, and look as dangerous as anyone going into the season. United, on the other hand, still have absolutely no clue what sort of team we are and things seem like they'll continue to get worse before they (hopefully) get better.
Oh wow....
If the manager doesn't have any answers, what the feck is gonna happen?
He is finished.
And he's been finished for a while.
We need to cut our losses ASAP if it truly unravels before we lose CL for next season.
We play an archaic style of football that heavily depends on individualism.
And De Gea won't continue to bail us out. He's not superman.
And he's been finished for a while.
We need to cut our losses ASAP if it truly unravels before we lose CL for next season.
We play an archaic style of football that heavily depends on individualism.
And De Gea won't continue to bail us out. He's not superman.
I really don't know either. Some fans seem to be moving towards a position where the issue is with the players, and this seemed to be a fairly standard defence when Moyes was at the helm, but I'm not sure either way: everything seems hurried and off the cuff; it's odd to see such a lack of composure & direction under such a sophisticated, tactical manager, but, for me, and it pains me to say so, as I'm a Jose fan, I just don't think the players are having a bar of him any more. He made his power-play over the summer with the budget demands and the transfer requests ( incoming and outgoing ) and it seems to have fallen on deaf ears. This will not have been missed by many of the players and they perhaps feel the manager is little more than a "paper tiger", who is not to be respected, or feared. Certainly looked that way after today's performance.
There were times in the game where Pogba and Fred were 6 feet from our own defensive line and everyone else was up level with the Brighton back line. We sit so deep and there was absolutely acres of space in between. We have absolutely no chance setting up like that. It's hit and hope long balls in attack and players running 50 yards plus unchallenged through our midfield when they win it back. It has to be an instruction, its happened in too many games to be indiscipline. I think he is trying to set us up as a deep lying defensive 6 who play it forward with speed to 4 quick forwards, but it isn't working. It invites huge pressure on our defence and our players are too scared to take the risks to move the ball forward quickly.
I think it's time for him to go now. The players have been conditioned to prefer not to lose the ball than to do anything positive with it, and the atmosphere around the club is toxic.
I think it's time for him to go now. The players have been conditioned to prefer not to lose the ball than to do anything positive with it, and the atmosphere around the club is toxic.
He wont be sacked yet. Finishing second buys him time.
The thing is, he won't be here by the end of the season, you can see it already.
Pogba doesn't want to play for him. Woodward will choose Pogba if it comes to it.
This season we haven't bought Mourinho type players, so a new manager has a good foundation. Think Benteke with Klopp etc.
On the footballing things. The football is pathetic. I lost confidence with him last season. His football wont challenge for anything worth challenging for. We go to Brighton and set up as if we're the underdogs. We retreat when teams have the ball, defend in numbers and rarely close down the ball.
Brighton today looked like the big club here. Gave us no time on the ball whatsoever.
We just don't look like a team. We have no clue, no movement, no nothing.
It's embarrassing to watch. The only positive I can see from this season is that Mourinho won't be here come the start of next
The thing is, he won't be here by the end of the season, you can see it already.
Pogba doesn't want to play for him. Woodward will choose Pogba if it comes to it.
This season we haven't bought Mourinho type players, so a new manager has a good foundation. Think Benteke with Klopp etc.
On the footballing things. The football is pathetic. I lost confidence with him last season. His football wont challenge for anything worth challenging for. We go to Brighton and set up as if we're the underdogs. We retreat when teams have the ball, defend in numbers and rarely close down the ball.
Brighton today looked like the big club here. Gave us no time on the ball whatsoever.
We just don't look like a team. We have no clue, no movement, no nothing.
It's embarrassing to watch. The only positive I can see from this season is that Mourinho won't be here come the start of next
Not that it would have changed anything but it was strange not to see Rashford start as he played in the previous match and Martial's head is gone. Why would you start a player who doesn't wanna play for you ? Makes no sense
If Mourinho had been fully backed (going off reports about rumoured targets from the press). You'd probably have Persic ,Alderwield and Alex Sandro and Martial would of left. Obviously would be a massive outlay but Mourinho would of made you a solid hardworking counterattacking team.
I think with a manager like Mourinho, you have to either fully back him or get rid, he's not the type of guy to shoe-horn in players bought for him.
I think with a manager like Mourinho, you have to either fully back him or get rid, he's not the type of guy to shoe-horn in players bought for him.
I see your point. Could be any number of reasons, really. Maybe he genuinely wanted to give Martial a chance. Maybe he's been told by the board to win Martial (and Pogba) back on his side or else, which would explain all the nice things he's been saying about them lately...
Those three would cost around 200m. Perisic 60m, Alderweird 75m, and Sandro 60+m. No board in this whole world and universe would sanction that kind of money for those three.
Jose can work with sporting directors but the players need to have the right profile. Say the club had a sporting director who said ‘look Willian is too expensive but here’s a fast direct winger who can do what you want.’ Mou could’ve lived with that. It’s having players who have the opposite profile that’s the problem.
It’s the equivalent of City saying ‘Yeah Pep we want your high pressing passing football but you gotta keep Hart, Kolarov, Zabaleta, Yaya and Nasri’ cos the fans like them. And when Pep makes the point he can’t use his style with those players saying ‘why not they won the league under Pellegrini?’
He had those players when he had them floating just above relegation zone. What are you on about?
Definitely a last season with us, just hopefully we don't repeat a Chelsea. Next game against Spurs is absolutely crucial (feels weird saying that after only 2 matches...). If we lose we will be in a real trouble. It's just not going well and seeing City smashing teams right left and centre makes it even worse. However I feel he was massively let down by the players today. We all expect Mata and Martial to be useless and they proved that once again but when your defence plays like we did today there is no chance to win a game. Bailly had one of the worst individual performances I have seen in a long time, not having a good and reliable CB pair really hurts us.
This start to the season has gone perfectly for Jose. He is not a dumb guy and I believe he now wants out and is going to let things play out. Look at his attitude he is conceding to players pandering to their insecurities since he didn’t get what he wanted in the window
Woodward didn’t buy him his players so has an excuse
Martial doesn’t come back as expected re enforcing his work rate and desire questions that Jose has
Pogba relationship criticized and he makes him captain and comes out with what he did after first game
Sanchez injured allows martial to start against Brighton and he is absolute piss
Bailly with 2 absolute dogshite mistakes in the game costing us and re enforcing we needed a center back in summer
Pogba captain again and coming out with what he said after the game about attitude
Jose has actually done what a lot of folks wanted him to do so far this season and we have been pretty poor and what has happened has re enforced a lot of what Jose had thought IMO
Woodward didn’t buy him his players so has an excuse
Martial doesn’t come back as expected re enforcing his work rate and desire questions that Jose has
Pogba relationship criticized and he makes him captain and comes out with what he did after first game
Sanchez injured allows martial to start against Brighton and he is absolute piss
Bailly with 2 absolute dogshite mistakes in the game costing us and re enforcing we needed a center back in summer
Pogba captain again and coming out with what he said after the game about attitude
Jose has actually done what a lot of folks wanted him to do so far this season and we have been pretty poor and what has happened has re enforced a lot of what Jose had thought IMO
His first decade or so as a manager was the greatest I’ve seen a manager have. From Leiria to the Inter treble or to the Madrid 100 points season it was incredible both on and off the pitch. Since then it’s been ok at best.
Martial is supposed to be world class, beyond world class! Otherwise we'd have traded him for a solid defender, which is looking like a good idea at the moment.......
The thought has crossed my mind.
He took over a United squad that had finished 7th/4th and 5th because they were awful. He has us in 2nd and last season we beat everyone in the top 6. If you really think another manager would have this group ahead of city you're delusional.
He won the premier league with those players, that's what i'm on about.
DDG
Fellaini
Matic
Sanchez
Lukaku
Them 5 are the only players Jose trust and think he can rely on.
That cant be good for good for the other players confidence. I’m still 50/50 torn with Jose. I like the guy but hate how the team is playing. Lets look at the following players though;
Valencia
Darmian
Young
Smalling
Jones
Rojo
Mata
Lingard
Fellaini
Mctominay
Thats alot of players who wouldn’t get anywhere near City, Spurs, Liverpool or Chelseas starting 11, yet because we dont have a set starting 11 the above players feature so heavily throughout our season and they shouldn’t. Jose no doubt gave the club a list of players he want and the club for whatever reason didn’t give him them! That tells me 1. They’re happy finishing 2nd 2. They dont trust Jose with another 1-200 million pounds of their money. The club is either need to sack Jose this week or get behind him because it’s affecting the whole squad.
Fellaini
Matic
Sanchez
Lukaku
Them 5 are the only players Jose trust and think he can rely on.
That cant be good for good for the other players confidence. I’m still 50/50 torn with Jose. I like the guy but hate how the team is playing. Lets look at the following players though;
Valencia
Darmian
Young
Smalling
Jones
Rojo
Mata
Lingard
Fellaini
Mctominay
Thats alot of players who wouldn’t get anywhere near City, Spurs, Liverpool or Chelseas starting 11, yet because we dont have a set starting 11 the above players feature so heavily throughout our season and they shouldn’t. Jose no doubt gave the club a list of players he want and the club for whatever reason didn’t give him them! That tells me 1. They’re happy finishing 2nd 2. They dont trust Jose with another 1-200 million pounds of their money. The club is either need to sack Jose this week or get behind him because it’s affecting the whole squad.
He wont be sacked yet. Finishing second buys him time.
The thing is, he won't be here by the end of the season, you can see it already.
Pogba doesn't want to play for him. Woodward will choose Pogba if it comes to it.
This season we haven't bought Mourinho type players, so a new manager has a good foundation. Think Benteke with Klopp etc.
On the footballing things. The football is pathetic. I lost confidence with him last season. His football wont challenge for anything worth challenging for. We go to Brighton and set up as if we're the underdogs. We retreat when teams have the ball, defend in numbers and rarely close down the ball.
Brighton today looked like the big club here. Gave us no time on the ball whatsoever.
We just don't look like a team. We have no clue, no movement, no nothing.
It's embarrassing to watch. The only positive I can see from this season is that Mourinho won't be here come the start of next
If this is what we have to look forward to this season, why wait until the end? When Jose moves on, I feel he's seriously damaged his reputation with his time back in the PL at Chelsea and United. Where will he go next?
I wouldn't wait til the end of the season.
We can't sack him now, 2 games into the season, we'd look idiots.
We either did it at the end of the last, or see how this season pans out and react, whether it's in December or May.
The board didn't back him. They clearly don't believe in him. I don't think they wanted to stick with him, but felt they couldn't sack him when he finished 2nd with us
He is now favourite with all bookies to be next Premier Manager to leave.
He looked drained at the post match interview, afraid to say anything about the players. Pogba & co seem to be holding the aces.
He looked drained at the post match interview, afraid to say anything about the players. Pogba & co seem to be holding the aces.
Bayern did it in September.
Agreed. The two posts it’s always assumed he’d eventually do at some point, PSG and Portugal, may not happen now as I do think people will think twice. The bloke’s face just screams busted flush.
Sacking him later could make things worse in regards to a top 4 finish. At least now, the new manager will have plenty of time to have his stamp on the side.
Who would even want him? Before PSG got Tuchel I'd say Mourinho would be a candidate for that job but now there is no chance. He won't go to Italy either as Juve wins the league by ease every single year there. Neither Barca or Real would ever get him and Bayern Munchen would never appoint him as he is completely the opposite of how they want to play so wherever he goes it won't be another top team, perhaps Portugal or another national team but wherever he goes I feel real bad for the fans who are going to have to witness the same shite and repugnant football that we have seen during his last 2 years here.
I'd get rid sooner rather than later. I'd have been happy to see him go in the summer.
Second or not, I don't think he overachieved. We spent plenty of money, so I don't think he did anything special
I reckon it’s over. He’s a lame duck manager at United now - if you can’t motivate the players and there’s absolutely no hope that you can turn that round then it’s totally a case of when, not if.
Don't think it was all his fault today. Felt the players thought they could just turn up and win, the attitude stank. At times in the 2nd half, it seemed that we had forgotten how to pass a ball, but I think a lot of these errors happen when they lack confidence or are trying too hard to make things happen instead of playing their natural game.
He does have to take responsibility for the poor football though. When we have the ball, we are slow, insipid and lack direction. Without the ball, we drop off. Bailly had a shocker today but we let Brighton have a go at him throughout the first half when we should have been pushing them back. Jose probably feels vindicated in his desire for a top centre half but unless that defender is Vidic of 10 years ago, you are still running a huge risk.
Jose is still capable of pulling out great results but there are still too many of these displays in between.
He does have to take responsibility for the poor football though. When we have the ball, we are slow, insipid and lack direction. Without the ball, we drop off. Bailly had a shocker today but we let Brighton have a go at him throughout the first half when we should have been pushing them back. Jose probably feels vindicated in his desire for a top centre half but unless that defender is Vidic of 10 years ago, you are still running a huge risk.
Jose is still capable of pulling out great results but there are still too many of these displays in between.
Really depends on who's available. Bar Zidane it doesn't seem like any of the recognised super coaches are currently available, and even Zidane has question marks in the sense that we don't know if he's really what we need.
So far we've missed out on:
(1) Pep
(2) Klopp
(3) Tuchel
(4) Sarri
3 of the above are currently coaching our biggest rivals. We're not going to compete unless we also hire a "super coach" ourselves. Should have been Jose, sadly doesn't seem to be right now.
I think his era has passed. He is dealing with millennials who are softer than puff cakes. He either changes or he should get out of the business. You can't be real with modern players. They rather put on these ugly headphones and just zone out.
Think Mou's biggest issue is that it's abundantly clear the attacking approach he has in training isn't near what all of your rivals coach. Literally every other club in the top 6 have managers who want to press high, dominate play, use quick, intricate passing, high tempo. Each player knows pretty much exactly where to be and which runs to make.
Whereas you watch United now and when I watched every second of his football when he was here his second spell you can see that most of the attacking play is sort of improvised. It looks like he sets the team up to have a solid base and then expects the advanced midfielders and attackers to make it up as they go along.
Whereas you watch United now and when I watched every second of his football when he was here his second spell you can see that most of the attacking play is sort of improvised. It looks like he sets the team up to have a solid base and then expects the advanced midfielders and attackers to make it up as they go along.
I agree with what you are saying but there is something that I find infinitely more worrying, it's the lack of confidence. You can't play top level football without total confidence in your teammates and your own abilities, today we started the game scared and finished it the same way. To me it's what make the difference between a good manager and a great one, he creates a sentiment of unbreakable confidence within the team, we don't have that.
The managers we've missed out on is hilarious. We saw city hire pep and panicked. Hired someone based on his name.
The club has zero direction, great at sponsors, horrible at football.
The club has zero direction, great at sponsors, horrible at football.
How do we counter attack against the 10 Premier League teams that camp in their box against us?
It’s a shame United has to be the one to test whether he has truly lost it or that his last Chelsea stint was due to players/owner. I think Conte coming in and winning the league squashed any myth it wasn’t Jose.
This is exactly it. LVG's problem was the exact opposite of Mou. He wanted no freedom. United need someone who will be a mixture of the two in regards to freedom, but also someone who will coach the team to help improve the quickness of play.
I couldn't agree more!
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