Fact of the matter is that the club is currently run like a well oiled machine when it comes to bringing in cash, the envy of any other club on the World stage. And Ed Woodward has a lot to do with the reasons for that, he is an expert in that field without a doubt. However, we are a football club and our main aim has to be to have a better team on the pitch than any other football club. Ed is obviously lacking in the area of signing players. It is good to know that we are going to appoint a DOF, I would hope that the guy we appoint for the job is someone with a proven track record. If we could get someone as good at his job as Ed Woodward is at getting sponsors then we we would only need a top manager who plays attractive football(sorry Jose). For a club of our stature we have a squad way below the quality of what we should have. We have 2 wingers playing as full backs FFS. We also seem to have no plan during matches. Our current plan b seems to be to bring on a tall guy and hoof the ball up to him. Mourinho also needs to try give his players some confidence instead of constantly moaning about them. Personally I hope to see him sacked soon. He is really Moaninho, and that feeling has obviously carried over to the players.
José Mourinho | 2018/19 Performances
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Reddit is extremely pro-Mou. Every day you get new posts about how we should support the manager, how the media has it out for him, etc.
/r/reddevils is a cult. I don't post much there anymore.
I was never a fan of Mourinho. Starting from his first ever appearance at OT with Porto. However, as a Manchester United manager, I supported him. But no more. A better manager can bring more rout of this group of players. Better football too. His time here should be over, at least by the time end of this season.
FYI: I was buzzing when Jose was appointed. Thought he may of "changed" after his Madrid & Chelsea meltdowns (already said this in another thread).
This is a ticking time bomb just waiting to go off. Third year syndrome is fast approaching and we need to nip this in the bud ASAP. This is not just a reaction after today's absolutely disgraceful/shambolic performance and probably one of the worst in a very long time (The players should take a long hard look at themselves today and should not escape blame!). This has been building steadily over the last couple of season, Jose is the coach so the blame ultimately stands with him!.
I personally would sack him before it's too late but i sense "no balls Ed" will give him more time. God only know's who would replace him but i think that anybody would be a better choice then him. You can tell by the performances he had lost the vast majority of the players, the style of football is non-existent.
Somebody stated in an earlier post that and was spot on that "other mangers have to manage with a lot less resources then jose has had". I could understand if he had only just come in and inherited the squad but the majority of players playing were his signings.
Moyes = well out of his depth.
LVG = "World class" manager (back in the day) who sent the majority of fans to sleep with his "philosophical football"
Mourinho = Another "world class" manager, who is giving LVG a very good run for his money football wise.
2 out of the 3 have been top managers at some point and the fooball is STILL no better!!. I think it's time to stop the rot and bring in a young(ish) attack minded coach in who needs to be as ruthless as SAF was.
This is a ticking time bomb just waiting to go off. Third year syndrome is fast approaching and we need to nip this in the bud ASAP. This is not just a reaction after today's absolutely disgraceful/shambolic performance and probably one of the worst in a very long time (The players should take a long hard look at themselves today and should not escape blame!). This has been building steadily over the last couple of season, Jose is the coach so the blame ultimately stands with him!.
I personally would sack him before it's too late but i sense "no balls Ed" will give him more time. God only know's who would replace him but i think that anybody would be a better choice then him. You can tell by the performances he had lost the vast majority of the players, the style of football is non-existent.
Somebody stated in an earlier post that and was spot on that "other mangers have to manage with a lot less resources then jose has had". I could understand if he had only just come in and inherited the squad but the majority of players playing were his signings.
Moyes = well out of his depth.
LVG = "World class" manager (back in the day) who sent the majority of fans to sleep with his "philosophical football"
Mourinho = Another "world class" manager, who is giving LVG a very good run for his money football wise.
2 out of the 3 have been top managers at some point and the fooball is STILL no better!!. I think it's time to stop the rot and bring in a young(ish) attack minded coach in who needs to be as ruthless as SAF was.
Most defintely. The next manager needs to have direction and a way of playing that suits our fans rather than a defensive one. Liverpool knew what we they were getting with Klopp and the same with City and Pep. Jose is a winner but our players don't suit his style neither does this club imo. His moaning this summer has got to everyone and his time is running out. Our next manager needs to be able to work with young players also... Martial and Rashford have gone backwards.
Until we went hoofball I'm not even sure what his tactics were today, we don't press, there's no attacking cohesion, and we aren't hard to play through or get at defensively.
Yeah the 'back the manager' shtick is tiresome. We can make our own minds up.
We're pathetic, but I do feel sorry for him about today. About 5 players put out 0/10 performances today, poor guy
Maybe he would. Or he'd finish 2nd/3rd playing poor football while City and Liverpool actually entertain the fans and keep improving season upon season.
I'm not trying to discredit his achievements with Porto, Inter, Madrid, Chelsea, etc (other than saying the competition wasn't as strong in his last title win). I'm saying they're a long time ago and his methods are becoming outdated. We brought Mourinho in for results, that much is clear. When the results aren't winning us the big trophies, what do we have left? Poor football and tinpot trophies?
Whilst alot of people are scared - thats why I am open to a homegrown United Manager : they ultimately know what the club needs and will build the club towards that as shown at Barcelona, Real Madrid, Athletico Madrid and more.
His handling of the media has taken on a new level this season. It’s interesting to watch. I wonder if it’s his experience being a pundit over the summer?
Belittling his past achievements is disingenuous.
As is pretending that he's doing a good job currently.
It's because he is actually being forced to manage the players at his disposal rather than continue with his 'everyone vs Us approach' type of management which contains too much of our own squad in the everyone else side of things.
Guy looks like he is being nice because he has ultimately given up since if its not 100% his way - then ultimately it is no way Jose can he do anything about it.
What does an ideal mourinho led united even look like? He's bought a full midfield, centreback pairing, striker and winger but I still don't have a sense of what he envisions the team to be playing like if he could make everything fall into place.
Shows zero willingness to take risks and throw the kitchen sink when the chips are down. Poor subs and poor tactical system.
I'm not sure if it's laziness or being unable to understand how players can't thrive when given a loose attacking framework, but it obviously isn't working for us. Someone like Benitez is probably better suited to the type of player we've accumulated, but I can't see that ever happening.
My only guess is that he wants something like SAF had with mentally flexible players who could adapt to whatever tactics were needed to win at the time. An amoeba with a spine.
I had the vision of us being a fantastic, lightning quick counter attacking side that was very tough to beat. So far all I'm seeing is that we're just tough to beat because we like to park the bus.
I have a feeling it should be a counter attacking team that invites teams to come onto us, we snatch the ball and then break with power and pace. I think this is why he was changing the spine.
But it doesnt help when our defenders cant defend. Our our players are giving it away, or cant beat a man, or pass so slowly.
The one issue ive had with Jose is he changes the team and style too often and tries too much to counter an opposition team rather than saying, were united, we have better players than a lot of teams, lets smother them and suffocate them.
Funnily enough, if Lukaku scores that chance at 0-0, it obviously helps us as Brighton have to come out more.
But the issue we have is some of the personnel for this style. A lot of braindead players and we really struggle against teams who can sit back, our put us under pressure. And our players are not patient enough so force themselves into mistakes.
Last week. That early penalty glossed over our performance.
We were far from impressive.
Today was simply diabolical. The midfield was most to blame.
But its not just the matches.
I said before the season started. It is the perfect storm.
His fighting with the players and the board.
Injuries and a Teriible Pre-season.
I'm not happy to be proven right.
We were far from impressive.
Today was simply diabolical. The midfield was most to blame.
But its not just the matches.
I said before the season started. It is the perfect storm.
His fighting with the players and the board.
Injuries and a Teriible Pre-season.
I'm not happy to be proven right.
The one thing is when we had Moyes, we knew there were better managers for United so he was always going to get sacked.
When we had LVG, esp the second season we knew Jose was free and it seemed a matter of when not if he takes over.
With Jose, seriously who do we replace him with?
But theres a bigger issue. We came second last season, 19 points behind first place. We have added one CM. What will that do, maybe help bring in an extra 3-4 points?
Its clear Jose wanted players, so if hes your manager, you have to back him.
Otherwise get rid of him and bring in somebody who will be a yes man.
When we had LVG, esp the second season we knew Jose was free and it seemed a matter of when not if he takes over.
With Jose, seriously who do we replace him with?
But theres a bigger issue. We came second last season, 19 points behind first place. We have added one CM. What will that do, maybe help bring in an extra 3-4 points?
Its clear Jose wanted players, so if hes your manager, you have to back him.
Otherwise get rid of him and bring in somebody who will be a yes man.
Yeah, I feel like we're just going off of past Mourinho sides - he hasn't really shown that he wants us to be a super zippy counter attacking team. He hasn't actually bought a single winger in his tenure here. Like B20 says, he has bought close to a full XI and we still have no idea what his style or ideal XI is. We don't even know if our ideal formation is a 3 man midfield or a more ordinary Mourinho style 4231 with a number 10.
That’s what I ask myself when I watch United. I’ve got no idea how Mourinho wants them to play.
And the underlying numbers greatly suggested we were very fortunate to have that defensive record, which was ultimately down to De Gea having one of the best goalkeeping seasons in United history. I am not alone in suspecting that we will concede a fair amount more goals this season, not because we conceded so few last season that we could never hope to beat it, ala that incredible Chelsea season, but because De Gea’s incredible performance was not sustainable.
I am done after today. There is no way back for him. Players are one thing to blame. But this has the been the scenario for most of the last two seasons. The sooner he leaves, the better it will be.
The structure of the team is terrible and that's down to the manager. We seem to play in rigid straight lines, it's night and day when compared to other top teams.
The team isn't going to magically get better by it's self, it's going to be a long ol season for us.
The team isn't going to magically get better by it's self, it's going to be a long ol season for us.
What was the logic behind starting Martial today ?
His Plan B and last resort is always hoofing it to Fellaini. He has no other plan, even like sacrificing a defender for an attacker. Nope. Not even when losing against fecking Brighton. He keeps the back four, then "hoof".
feck me. That's embarrassing on so many level.
feck me. That's embarrassing on so many level.
He's always lumped it to a big man as his Plan B. He loved using Robert Huth for that role in his first spell at Chelsea.
Who should he have started instead?
Some would have you believe it involves spending another £300 million to replace the players he's already signed.
Just so he could claim he gave him a chance. It's not the first time in his tenure with us he's put a struggling player in a position to fail to advance his agenda.
I wouldn't mind him playing his football if we were actually good at that. Atletico are a defensive team but they are brilliant at it and they go and finish teams off. Yet we are just poor at pretty much everything which is why it looks so bad. There is no way back for him imo.
Where’s the usual fan boys to tell us all everyone is clueless and Mourinho is the man for the job. Don’t get me wrong, I wanted him but things are a mess. We have zero identity on and off the pitch.
I don't think Martial is "struggling", and I don't think Jose deliberately put him there to fail. Martial has just downed tools imo.
Wow just heard the post match presser. He admits his players are not happy and not confident. Also when asked what he can do to stop the mistakes. He says he cant answer that question. Trying to improve and keep going is the only thing he can do.
Sounds like an admission he doesnt have the answer anymore. Seems he knows his time is borrowed. Shadow of the man he was. Gone from the special one to the powerless one.
Sounds like an admission he doesnt have the answer anymore. Seems he knows his time is borrowed. Shadow of the man he was. Gone from the special one to the powerless one.
I don't get how people can watch teams like City, Liverpool or Tottenham then come back and watch us and be happy with what we're serving up.
It's like people have gotten used to mediocrity, one day in the next few years we will get a manager who plays attacking modern football and people here will be shocked.
He's just too negative. Last week at home(!) we were sitting off and just letting Leicester have the ball. No urgency to get the ball back, it's so frustrating to watch. There's also no movement and it's so slow. It's so obvious we don't practice attacking patterns of play in training.
It's like people have gotten used to mediocrity, one day in the next few years we will get a manager who plays attacking modern football and people here will be shocked.
He's just too negative. Last week at home(!) we were sitting off and just letting Leicester have the ball. No urgency to get the ball back, it's so frustrating to watch. There's also no movement and it's so slow. It's so obvious we don't practice attacking patterns of play in training.
That's because Mourinho is not trying to do anything in particular. He has never been a counter attacking coach like some like to pretend because there is no such thing as counter attacking is inherently a reactive strategy that cannot be used for an entire season if you are a top team. His approach is about getting behind the ball and making sure to close down the space when the other team has it and once the ball is recovered, aim to deliver it to the forwards whilst leaving enough men behind to deal with any possible counters. The number of those committed behind varies depending on the opposition and the scoreline. This is why Mourinho has never been a defensive coach or a counter attacking or anything really. It just so happens that the better his opponents are at keeping possession and dealing with his attacking individuals, the more pinned back and forced to defend his teams will inevitably be. What changed from 10 years ago is that now even the average teams are better at possession. Every team in the PL is more drilled in those department. They might not be as solid defensively but they all can pass and move. A weakness for teams that valued possession highly used to be a fragility to counters. That has also been improved from the likes of City, Liverpool and Spurs. They all are better at snuffing out counters through aggressive pressing.
When Mourinho's opponents were either inferior technically or individually, or played with the same approach as in, not much of a clear identity like Rafa's Liverpool or the Italian teams, his teams did not look overly defensive and looked like well drilled machines. The opponents' strengths changed though and because of that, everything Mourinho is good at has less and less impact.
Mate did you not see how vulnerable our defence looks when we go hunting the ball? They struggle with any kind of over the top.
When we press the ball, our defence has to push up and it leaves gaps for runners. It’s why we used to get sucker punched under LVG. If the defence doesn’t push up it leaves space in front of our defence, as in Jose’s first season, and we aren’t good enough to resist that.
Our squad is not as adapted to playing different ways as you think.
Liverpool struggled quite a bit with their defence over the last 3/4 seasons but still played positively.
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