Agreed. The revisionism about LVG is getting pretty silly. Perhaps with better investment it could have worked, but his man management skills were horrible and a lot of players hated his training methods.
José Mourinho | 2018/19 Performances
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At home we would have beaten brighton 3-0. I can understand the negative tactics against the good teams. But away from home is just torture. You need cigarettes and alcohol for our matches away from. The whole philosophy is to win 1-0. Remember southampton last year.
Can't see him managing a major club side after this stint. Maybe a national team but even that's pushing it...
We did on paper but I have eyes and watched every game. Opposition kept creating lots of chances vs us, there was nothing that looked close to a solid Mourinho defensive unit of the past, we had luck and a great keeper. Yes the keeper is part of that defense, but it still looks incredibly shaky to see teams go through our midfield with seriously simple play at times. I'm sure a decent manager who thinks defense would rather keep these chances from being created or having to rely too much on a keeper.
Lots of stuff can be 'proved' by stats. It kept people from realizing Rooney's decline far too late as well. Could have sold him off earlier for 30 more million.
Nobody knows what will happen with him but while era under LvG was discussed million times, he was sacked after winning FA cup, even players had every opportunity to stab LvG in the back during January period when OT cnuts turned against him with their JM scarfs. While on other side, when things are bad, in most cases players dont mind turning on JM, backstabbing him till he gets a sack. Hope it wont end up for him like that here, because i would hate it, regardless when he is going to leave us.
We were defensively poor last season too. Don't let the goals conceded stat fool you. I'm sure @Damien posted some stats which showed we actually conceded a huge number of chances with Big Dave bailing us out.
He'd easily get the Portugal job if he wanted it. If Poch goes onto another club, he and Levy would be a delightful combination at Tottenham.
Next few months will be a drag. Let's not lengthen the process.
jesus christ when was the last time we scored more than 5?
Do not bother, plenty of here made their minds up long ago in 2nd half of last season. A performance like this will always bring more and more of them out. You are just wasting your time and energy.This revisionism about LVG football in last 2 pages sums this place up. You're either great or you're past it. There's no in between here.
Can't defend him today because that was on par with Huddersfield last season but all this talk about hiring a new manager 2 games into the season, don't know how to even react. I'll take a break for few days from this place, don't need more negativity for now.
Stuff about LVG is downright silly. He had an idea, what if, whatever. How many years did he need to implement his supposed idea and with what players, Darmian and Schneiderlin? What idea was it anyway, pass to death, players standing in fixed positions?
I've even seen the posts Jose is worse than Moyes. I mean come on people. It's obvious something is rotten at our club but some of you lose all objectivity in this thread.
I've even seen the posts Jose is worse than Moyes. I mean come on people. It's obvious something is rotten at our club but some of you lose all objectivity in this thread.
Credit where credit is due, he didn't make a tit of himself in the post match press conferences.....so he is learning.....now if he can just learn how to coach players
This is not taking us anywhere. Either sack Jose or give him the team he wants.
Remember when people said Mourinho bringing in McKenna and Carrick was a sign of us taking a more positive approach in regards to our football? It's time to face reality people, Mourinho is past it. Today we played exactly and I literally mean exactly the same way we did during Moyes. Sarri came to Chelsea and already after 2 games you can see they have a different approach to their style than during conte, 2 fecking games. This is Mourinhos third season here and we are still playing the same shite football that everyone blasted Moyes for. Conceding 3 against Brighton is unforgivable and if he doesn't get sacked soon then we will have a carbon copy of the 15-16 Chelsea season. Shows you that what a manager has won in the past means feck all, look at what Jose has won and how we are playing. We need someone with the right approach of tactics. Klopp would have been perfect. Pocchetino was available before extending, even Tuchel or Sarri could have been the right fit.
Point is it is blatantly obvious Mourinho is not the right man.
Knocked out by Sevilla in CL, finished 19 points behind city, lost to every new promoted side in the league, including West Brom at home and they were already relegated, lost to Chelsea in the FA cup final after Conte used Jose's own tactics against him, and now the most embarrassing thing of all, conceding 3 against Brighton whilst putting in the most toothless performance I've seen since SAF retired. If they don't sack him now top 4 is guaranteed gone theres no way in hell we will finish above any of City Liverpool Spurs or Chelsea with Mourinho here another year.
Point is it is blatantly obvious Mourinho is not the right man.
Knocked out by Sevilla in CL, finished 19 points behind city, lost to every new promoted side in the league, including West Brom at home and they were already relegated, lost to Chelsea in the FA cup final after Conte used Jose's own tactics against him, and now the most embarrassing thing of all, conceding 3 against Brighton whilst putting in the most toothless performance I've seen since SAF retired. If they don't sack him now top 4 is guaranteed gone theres no way in hell we will finish above any of City Liverpool Spurs or Chelsea with Mourinho here another year.
Here.
Now the problem is De Gea isn't making as many saves to bail us out. 3 saves in 2 games. 4 goals conceded.
Except managing Tottenham would go against everything he accomplished with Chelsea. Besides I doubt the players would want to make the tactical changes from Pochettino to Jose's.
Ronaldo would not want Mourinho managing Portugal; different matter if he retires from the national team.
LVG had a point with treating modern players like mindless robots. Academies don't spit out players that can work things out for themselves these days and Jose hasn't adapted.
LVG's approach rubs the players who can work thing out the wrong way while Jose gives the ones who can't work it out too much freedom. A mixed approach would probably be best.
No one is doing any revisionism - I'm just simply saying LVG had an idea of how he wanted to play football.
I'm not saying I enjoyed or it was good to watch I'm just saying you could see the type of style we played under him.
I feel a bit sorry for him, but his comments during pre season etc have brought everyone down. I wasn't excited for the start of the season like i usually am and thats becuase he was so public with our problems. We already knew we was not going into the start of this season feeling good ready for the start. We have started going in with all this negativity surrounding the club. He's lost some of the players already that is clear to see and i don't see anyway back for him unfortunately.
I don't disagree with the last part of what you've said, but today was a horror show level of defending compared to usual. Generally we keep it solid as a team, sometimes riding our luck, but I suppose today showed why that is. Whenever there was no cover for our defence they got pulled apart.
He won the title with Chelsea in a pretty weak PL season, I doubt he'd be doing the same if it was as competitive as it is now. He started the season well, then scraped loads of 1-0 wins to keep a lead. It wasn't pretty and certainly wasn't sustainable.
As for the CL, he faced Schalke, Basel and Steaua in the groups. Then Galatasaray and PSG in the following rounds. Not amazing but still decent admittedly. He still had us knocked out against Sevilla at home though and that was fully because of his horrible tactics.
I know. But bad individual errors like today weren't so prevalent.
I understand, I do agree that at least he had a philosophy as he liked to say it. Not a fecking clue what Mourinho's tactics are trying to achieve though.
The latter is just fecking lazy. Players need trained and they need trained in all aspects of the game (not just defending/marking).
Certain players can earn more freedom when they genuinely become top players (influential players like Cantona in the past or Hazard for Chelsea now).
This is much closer to the team we saw in preseason. There aren't enough players who can perform against adversity here and we all knew that. Everyone has a few good moments and we are entranced expecting them to do that consistently but quite often they are what they are, a bunch of inconsistent players who cannot perform away from their nest.
If those comments depressed us, can you imagine what that did to the players who have to deal with him and his moods day in day out? It's like walking on eggshells all the time.
Saying that, he seemed to have toned it done in the last week. Don't know if that was an order from the club hierarchy. However, the damage may already be too much to repair with the players.
Exactly - he had a philosophy. This is what we lack now.
Even Redknapp said with Pool, City, Spurs you know how they're going to play and what they're trying to do. With us not so much..
You’re dreaming if you think we will sack him to be honest. Things got a lot worse under Van Gaal and we stuck with that clown whilst City were getting Pep and Pool Klopp. Upstairs we haven’t got a clue either. Everything at the club at the moment feels like a recipe for failure.
In all honesty our defensive record has a LOT to do with us having De Gea on goal.
I think we all need to be careful what we wish for, in terms of wishing for Mou to go.
Maybe it’ll get better if he goes, I’m not convinced that it won’t get a whole lot worse though.
Maybe it’ll get better if he goes, I’m not convinced that it won’t get a whole lot worse though.
The board should have managed expectations once they handed LVG the job. Should have gotten him up and coming young players - more Martials and Rashfords - those kids will listen to him simply because they need direction at this point in their young careers.
LVG just didn't deal well with established players for the most part - so the board getting him these players was just a waste. If they wanted to build something, they needed to commit totally imho.
This is my point. I don't see this being fixed especially not with these players. But then at the same times i hate the fact that they would turn up for another manager. They should be giving everything they have for the club and forget about the manager, especially when they are paid so much money.
Dead man walking. But no point pulling the trigger until May, if it wasn't done before this summer's transfer window then it shouldn't be done mid-season. He may still at a push scrape top 4 and give the new manager CL football to come into.
Mate, the way we're going we'll be lucky to see top 4.
He can't even organize his teams well these days. This is something that he's supposedly good at?
Agreed on all points. However, sport is 50% mental, if you're not getting the confidence needed to perform, then I don't know how anything can work. Coupled with this, we have no direction. No one seems to know what they're doing. I dunno, I guess it's hard to perform well in that kind of environment.
I bet he was feeling relieved when Fellaini came on to save us.
I'm so glad to see the same shit over and over again. It's like watching The Last Jedi 38 times, mate !
I'm so glad to see the same shit over and over again. It's like watching The Last Jedi 38 times, mate !
I bet he'd have a good go of winning the league this season if his team had Hazard/Willian/Costa/Fabregas/Matic/Azpi etc
It's amazing the lengths some people will go to discredit his achievements.
He wanted us to sign Yerry Mina for God's sake. Is he really going to come in and command our defence?
Should never have been hired in the first place. I give him a chance and now I want him out to be honest.
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