He did. Sold him actually.
José Mourinho | 2018/19 Performances
- Thread starter MyOnlySolskjaer
- Start date
- Status
He did. Sold him actually.
Lets stop with hypotheticals and deal with reality.
He has us playing cowardly football, no idetifiable style of play and it's all downright miserable.
He shouldn't have had to have inherited KdB, Silva or Aguero to have his side shape up better against Brighton.
Lukaku is his player, Pogba, Fred, Bailly, Lindelof and he has the world's best keeper.
He should seriously apologise. 3rd season here and still can't even come up with proper solution against Glenn Murray.
Even Quiroz would have been better than this shite we are seeing now.
The players will ultimately decide his fate. And right now, slowly the players seem to be deserting him as is the case in all his 3rd seasons.
I had no concern with his game plan. My concern is while Brighton pressed so high with 2-3 players, we just couldn't pass them through and ended up hoofing the ball. Really? we are not talking about beating Pep game ffs!
Yeah, agree with this.
It's been shite Jose, and we won't miss you. Can't wait for some positivity to come back to the club - enough is enough. He has to go really. Give him a final couple of months to get players back and fit, but if this is the attacking play and cohesion being served up come the end of October, he should go. The time for incremental improvement has passed.
He looks like he's a dead man walking, a manager literally bereft of any good ideas that could help him and the team turn things around. I believe that we've reached the point where he will feel as relieved as the fans who didn't want him here in the first place, should he get sacked early in the season and be spared the agony of seeing Pep and, quite likely, Sarri & Klopp leaving him way behind on the league table.
Oh well, to me it feels similar to the situation with LvG: Both Louis & Jose arrived a tad too late at OT. Especially Mourinho would have been a success at OT if we had signed him just after Fergie's retirement IMHO. I won't say that he's outdated but it certainly feels like he needs some time off to cool his head and rethink his approach and how it can get the maximum out of a group of players at the highest level. It's not like there are not reactive managers out there who are doing a good job at their respective clubs.
But i also don't think that he's the only one to blame. We've witnessed this before with Moyes and LvG, the manager being pointed out as the sole problem at United. Zidane, or whoever, may come in and if the gist of the plan set by Woodard is to achieve greatness with this squad, we'll be having this conversation over and over again. But then again, Mourinho can only complain so much about the squad after two whole seasons. After all, he's famous for creating strong defensive units. Both Bailly and Lindelof were his signings and they looked like pub players out there today. And let's just not touch the issue with our FBs.
Oh well, to me it feels similar to the situation with LvG: Both Louis & Jose arrived a tad too late at OT. Especially Mourinho would have been a success at OT if we had signed him just after Fergie's retirement IMHO. I won't say that he's outdated but it certainly feels like he needs some time off to cool his head and rethink his approach and how it can get the maximum out of a group of players at the highest level. It's not like there are not reactive managers out there who are doing a good job at their respective clubs.
But i also don't think that he's the only one to blame. We've witnessed this before with Moyes and LvG, the manager being pointed out as the sole problem at United. Zidane, or whoever, may come in and if the gist of the plan set by Woodard is to achieve greatness with this squad, we'll be having this conversation over and over again. But then again, Mourinho can only complain so much about the squad after two whole seasons. After all, he's famous for creating strong defensive units. Both Bailly and Lindelof were his signings and they looked like pub players out there today. And let's just not touch the issue with our FBs.
How would he set the Spanish record with an English club?
Completely and utterly finished.
Van Gaal was destroyed by all far and wide, but at least I could see what the bloke was even attempting to achieve with his football.
The bloke is a stain on all United stand for. Unless you get really giddy over a few comments directed at City in the press.
Van Gaal was destroyed by all far and wide, but at least I could see what the bloke was even attempting to achieve with his football.
The bloke is a stain on all United stand for. Unless you get really giddy over a few comments directed at City in the press.
Posted this on the match thread but it's relevant here too.
Personally I think it's all down to coaching. The best modern managers choreograph their attacks to the very inch. Players know where to stand to receive the ball, where their teammates will be and what runs they'll make. It's an updated version of what LvG tried to implement at United. He tried to pattern attacks but wanted to take all agency from the players. Nowadays the players have a framework but with license to play what's in front of them.
There's none of that at United. Players don't know what the plan is and we suffer as a result. What werew seeing in the pitch is a reflection on the managers lack of tactical plan.
Personally I think it's all down to coaching. The best modern managers choreograph their attacks to the very inch. Players know where to stand to receive the ball, where their teammates will be and what runs they'll make. It's an updated version of what LvG tried to implement at United. He tried to pattern attacks but wanted to take all agency from the players. Nowadays the players have a framework but with license to play what's in front of them.
There's none of that at United. Players don't know what the plan is and we suffer as a result. What werew seeing in the pitch is a reflection on the managers lack of tactical plan.
Yup.
Well buddy in that case you could be saying that until the day he's retired from football.
Going for Mourinho wishing for someone to improve us right away is imo what has landed us in this quicksand we're in now.
Maybe it's time for long term planning.
I'm almost certain he didn't have those boils on his face before the game started. Man's feeling it.
Porto was 14 years ago. Inter was 8 years ago. Madrid was 6 years ago.
It's becoming increasingly obvious his methods are becoming outdated, and with the intense competition in the PL I doubt he's winning the title for us any time soon. The football at United has barely progressed despite spending hundreds of millions on his own players. Unless we suddenly click this season, which I doubt, it's yet another wasted season of poor football.
On the best way to be remembered as the worst coach after SAF - even worse than Moyes given the sums he has alredy spent. He is still living in the world 10 years ago and has never adapted his style - honestly I think he isn't even capable of doing so. His time is over. He had a good period while his style of play was a suitable weapon but he will never be remembered as an all time great (like SAF, Jupp and many others) as he hasn't been capable to reinvent himself and the game over the years.
I have always been a critic of Mou and the developments over the past year are just worrying. Hope he will be gone come October!
I have always been a critic of Mou and the developments over the past year are just worrying. Hope he will be gone come October!
Where do you get the faith in Jose from? We look utterly clueless and for his whole tenure we’ve had no identity or style of play.
Had a strop all summer about not being allowed a new centreback, but the last two he signed were ghastly today. Bailly has shown flashes in his two seasons of being the best we've got, but has also looked awful at times. Lindelof has yet to have a game in a United shirt that's made me believe he's capable of being a regular for United. When things are going downhill for him on the whole and he's not proven his ability to identify a suitable centreback for our team, I can see the board's reservations in sanctioning yet another high dollar signing there. It would've been a Band-Aid on a gaping wound. I think the board has decided to pray for 4th and save the money to back a new manager.
Well this is Manchester United, there are going to be a lot of wins and those lot are always here calling us negative when we point out mistakes that we make and suggest improvements. And the moment there is a poor game, Mourinho fanboys drop off the face of the earth
Reading the history books.
Is there anyone here who really, truly believes in project Mourinho anymore?
I agree - the only thing LVG was poor at was recruitment
But he had an idea of how to play, and was good with the youth
We go from: "its only pre season lads, <insert sarcastic top red comment of the most arrogant kind>" to "It's only 1 game ffs bla bla".
It's not just this one game. Anyone can see nothing in the pattern of our play is changing, nor are players improving, we make the same mistakes and opposition keep cutting through us like butter creating chances galore whilst we struggle with our attacking play (a terrible combination of problems since Mourinho wants to play counter attacking football with a solid team who play the defensive system on point). You call these 'moaners' short sighted out of habit and because of a sense of duty as Lieutenant Top Red or Colonel Down to Earth, because you wear that badge as your heart and knock yourself on the chest three times with a hairy hard man fist and logging on one more time to making sure your certified top red status is safe before sleep. You don't really analyse anything or think out of that little box you live in. And that's why half of the caf loved the Moyes signing and made hundreds of arrogant posts before realizing things were going very wrong until it was far too late.
Apologize now.
It's not just this one game. Anyone can see nothing in the pattern of our play is changing, nor are players improving, we make the same mistakes and opposition keep cutting through us like butter creating chances galore whilst we struggle with our attacking play (a terrible combination of problems since Mourinho wants to play counter attacking football with a solid team who play the defensive system on point). You call these 'moaners' short sighted out of habit and because of a sense of duty as Lieutenant Top Red or Colonel Down to Earth, because you wear that badge as your heart and knock yourself on the chest three times with a hairy hard man fist and logging on one more time to making sure your certified top red status is safe before sleep. You don't really analyse anything or think out of that little box you live in. And that's why half of the caf loved the Moyes signing and made hundreds of arrogant posts before realizing things were going very wrong until it was far too late.
Apologize now.
Disagree. We have a decent squad. But the tactics away from home are always to win 1-0, regardless of who we play. I was saying the same thing in mourinhos first season as i am now. It is torture watching us away from home.
I'm pretty sure he'd have swapped aguero and silva for matic and willian.
Tagged a verified moaner yet completely right.
LOL this is so true. A lot of posters seem to wank silly over things like this.
KDB at Chelsea was the same player as the KDB Pep got, obviously.
The reality is he took over a side which had finished 7th/4th and 5th because they were utter dogshit. He's got us into 2nd place with some very real improvements I./E beating all of City/Liverpool/Spurs/Arsenal/Chelsea last season.
The performance vs Brighton was poor but let's not rewrite history.
People here are delusional if you think we had a shot at catching City after the summer window we had. Woodward now thinks he knows more one of the best managers in the history of the game, incredible.
Wow
Mourinho is done. A one dimensional manager who has failed to move on with the times.
And whine for months when his proposed Sterling-Perisic swap doesn't materialize.
He needs to go. Its going to happen within the next few months anyway.
What idea was it? We have massive problems but let's not rewrite history here.
He won the premier league a few seasons ago and got that Chelsea side to a champions league semi final. Saying the football has barely improved just isn't true, we've got from outside top 4 to 2nd and beat all of the top 6 last season.
It's been torture watching us since Fergie left because the players aren't good enough.
I'm pretty sure he won a league title with Matic and Willian.
There are so much wrongs in out team, and people said these are the problems of Pogba, Young, Bailly, Smalling, Sanchez, Martial, Rashford, Woodward and Glazers..., but not Mourinho?
IMO the board has given enough support & trust to Mourinho in the first two seasons. He can say we haven't spend as much as City so we can't win the league, or narrowing the 19-points gap, that is fine, and fair. But play like this, and with this style? Definitely no more excuse from him.
IMO the board has given enough support & trust to Mourinho in the first two seasons. He can say we haven't spend as much as City so we can't win the league, or narrowing the 19-points gap, that is fine, and fair. But play like this, and with this style? Definitely no more excuse from him.
I'm not going to try and pick the bones out of today, it highlighted every aspect as a problem. But the bolded bit, we had the second best defensive record in the league last year. Let's not pretend this is a weekly occurrence. Our defending was off the scale bad today, compared to usual.
I agree with her. With LVG we would dominate possession and were very good against sides that played football against us. We lacked the special players to unlock the weaker teams though.
Possession based football that was the idea
LVG had a clear style of ball retention. It wasn't good but I knew what he was trying to do.
- Status