This. It's fine to play direct with an emphasis on quick transitions, but those things need to happen. The season hasn't started yet, but some of what we've seen in preseason has been very irritating and even disheartening at times.
José Mourinho | 2018/19 Performances
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This. It's fine to play direct with an emphasis on quick transitions, but those things need to happen. The season hasn't started yet, but some of what we've seen in preseason has been very irritating and even disheartening at times.
We seem to be getting further and further away from the title with every season that passes. I thought originally
‘It’s just preseason’ we will be fine. But when we played Bayern it’s so clearly obvious that we will not change any tactics, no group of players can play to their potential with these tactics. Now we have Pogba rumours coming out which increases the negativity, playing unetertaining football which doesn’t work anymore and a lack of signings is one thing, but top players being linked away from the club because they are most likely unhappy to be here is another thing. I think only a manager change can fix this club.
The football on display in SAF's last 3-4 seasons wasn't all that entertaining. There were moments, of course, like RVP's volley off a Rooney long ball. But for the most part it was defend first, nick a goal when you can. Yet we won league trophies galore.
Best to reserve judgment on what we're about this season until the season actually begins and we see what we've got.
Best to reserve judgment on what we're about this season until the season actually begins and we see what we've got.
Unlike the current incumbent, LvG partly made up for the dullness of his football by the entertainment of his press conferences. Sex masochism
How the feck is Pep singling out B. Silva to praise after a win similar to Jose shitting on the whole team in an attempt to explain an embarrassing loss. You Jose apologists are hilarious really, you think Pep thought Aguero was trash despite his two goals?
Maybe if Silva was De Bruyne you’d have a point. As it stands Bernardo was a rotational player last year and will probably continue to be that with all their depth up front. He was clearly commenting on him having a great game, the fact that they also won the game clearly means he wasn’t putting down the other players. I’m not sure how anyone could think it’s the same as Jose saying that Alexis has to play with a bunch of subpar players who won’t even be part of the squad come the start of the real season.
Also history matters here, José has a history of throwing his players under the bus whereas Pep doesn’t. Just getting really sick of all the excuses people make for Jose. When will people realize he’s the problem? 28% possession against Bayern, 1 shot off target and 0 shots on target. Just pathetic.
Also history matters here, José has a history of throwing his players under the bus whereas Pep doesn’t. Just getting really sick of all the excuses people make for Jose. When will people realize he’s the problem? 28% possession against Bayern, 1 shot off target and 0 shots on target. Just pathetic.
Unlike the current incumbent, LvG partly made up for the dullness of his football by the entertainment of his press conferences. Sex masochism
And he was working with a much lower quality of squad. Much of that his own fault it has to be said, given his transfer dealings, both in and out.
Both were/are shit frankly, all the Mou will show you how good he is when he has world class quality in every position excuses are wearing thin.
Was it REALLY the exact same thing?
Is the preceding result REALLY completely irrelevant?
An embarrassing loss? It was fecking pre-season.
The absolute mind boggling lengths some people will go on here to not only rewrite history but see something else nobody else is seeing in order to have a massive Mourinho love in, despite him actually doing nothing much for us as a club, in the short time he's been here, who you should be thinking of first (hell some people are going to the lengths of rewriting some of Sir Alex's history) in order to make him look like an angel is absolutely astonishing and beyond anything I have ever seen from this fanbase or even any other at times.
I can admit some people go a bit far in the criticism, hell even I do at times, but the criticism is not unwarranted, and I cannot fathom for the life of me how this cult of Mourinho has sprung up despite him serving up utter tosh on the pitch and utter miserable shite in the media the majority of the time, it really is crazy to me and I will never understand it.
I can admit some people go a bit far in the criticism, hell even I do at times, but the criticism is not unwarranted, and I cannot fathom for the life of me how this cult of Mourinho has sprung up despite him serving up utter tosh on the pitch and utter miserable shite in the media the majority of the time, it really is crazy to me and I will never understand it.
An embarrassing loss? It was fecking pre-season.
Exactly, but Jose still had to make those pathetic post match comments. You'd think we'd just lost the CL final
Everyone would flog to the Martial thread and protest.
That’s a VERY strange slant you’ve put on those comments. Guardiola is praising a phenomenal individual performance by saying he was so good that he’s the first name on the team-sheet (him and ten others). If Mourinho said the same thing I’d be delighted. Partly because it would be good to have anyone playing well enough to merit that sort of praise but mainly because it would be a nice change to hear our manager sounding upbeat about anything!
This guy really think that he's bigger than the club. It's crazy.
It’s becoming tiresome. I can’t believe there was actually a thread comparing Sir Alex to Jose the other day.
Look at all the times Sir Alex missed out on the players he was after either because they were deemed to expensive or they chose to go elsewhere. Yet that man went about his business and either won trophies or challenged for them. And it’s not like our rivals (besides Arsenal) weren’t buying tons of players at the time as well, including City and Chelsea despite what Mourinho would like you to believe.
Look at all the times Sir Alex missed out on the players he was after either because they were deemed to expensive or they chose to go elsewhere. Yet that man went about his business and either won trophies or challenged for them. And it’s not like our rivals (besides Arsenal) weren’t buying tons of players at the time as well, including City and Chelsea despite what Mourinho would like you to believe.
He did say it, people just ignored it. He hyped up Sanchez as being a different player this season and that he has been great in pre-season.
He also name dropped Herrera, Periera, Mata, Sanchez and Bailly as fantastic professionals and willing to play for the badge in pre-season. But once again it was ignored (people preferred to believe fake quotes about Pereira being shite instead).
The only way you get this idea that Mourinho is killing the mood in the squad is if you look to twitter and redcafe for your news. Watching the full interviews gives a far more balanced view. Watching interviews also shows how Pep is a completely sarcastic, cnut with loads of backhanded compliments.
I would say that Klopp is by far the most genuinely positive in the media. I don't know if it's because he's a bumbling idiot or just a happy person. Mourinho is very genuine, but is hit and miss on positivity. Guardiola is very disingenuous during interviews and it comes off as if there is a hidden meaning to everything he says.
Great post.
This place is littered with jose bashing and you accuse cult of mourinho?
Check the forum. 3/4 of it is filled with jose bashing thread
I wanted/want him to do well here, but this is his last chance. I still think he's capable, but it won't be here. I feel the negligence to the FB positions is going to be his downfall, with him being sacked this season.
Yeh. It's like LVG stubbornly persistent with rely on Rooney as his main striker, when every man and his dog could see Rooney was a MLS level player. "my captain always play". Ok then, goodbye mister.
Or SAF absolutely refusing to sign a CM for years. Always seems to be our club that completely neglects positions. City needed new fullbacks, basically released half their squad and signed a whole new defence in two years. Meanwhile our first choice options are someone who can't cross and is seemingly losing his physical attributes and an extremely injury prone right footed LB. I like both of them, don't get me wrong, but they should be squad players at this stage of their career.
I am not sure why people question to some who like to win only and don't need to get entertained by watching a sport.
I am fine with Jose's negative style as long as we win. I would usually check the score 5 mins to go. If we are winning 1-0, I would turn on the TV to watch how well we park the bus on dying mins. It is really entertaining and I save my time but can still see my team win.
I think people should try that more. It does save your time and make you sane.
I am fine with Jose's negative style as long as we win. I would usually check the score 5 mins to go. If we are winning 1-0, I would turn on the TV to watch how well we park the bus on dying mins. It is really entertaining and I save my time but can still see my team win.
I think people should try that more. It does save your time and make you sane.
Think he wanted a new LB but didn't have the budget to get one.
Could be a possibility, but he's had multiple windows now where he could have signed one, it's not like our options there have changed in that time. Also pursuing yet another CB when he's already signed two is a mistake on his part, that money could have been used for a LB. He has to take blame for getting it wrong with his selection of CB's.
This is as I said, coming from someone who likes Jose purely for his desire to win. I'm a fan of his, but I don't see him succeeding here unfortunately.
Rise of Young might have changed his plans for LB and also he got Dalot who could play in both sides i think. No one could've predicated Bailly being so much injury prone and jury is out on Lindeloff but i personally think he will have a good season. We do need one commander though, in the mould of Toby / VVD . That's where i think we missed opportunity to sign Bonucci . Maybe he didn't want to leave Italy like last time. By succeeding you mean winning the Pl, then i agree with you. I think we will finish second again and probably win FA cup.
I'd like to think that most United fans wanted Mourinho to do well at the start of his tenure and acknowledged that he was the best man available for the job at the time but the situation has deteriorated big time and it's become hard to feel positive about the club's future at the moment with him at the helm which is rather hard to understand given that this is easily the most talented side United have had in years heading into the season.
I was personally sold when he signed after he was saying all the right things a in regards to upholding the clubs traditions and it looking like he had matured and moved past a lot of his more self-destructive tendencies but low and behold, over 2 years in, we see many of the same petty mistakes that led to his downfall at his previous clubs being repeated as well as a stunning lack of accountability from the man shown by his willingness to throw everyone from the club,fans,board and his own players under the bus to defend himself.
I officially soured on him for good once he started using McTominay as a stick to beat Pogba with and benched him before arguably the 2 biggest matches of the season against Sevilla. These decisions along with the ever present negativity on the pitch and off it made me finally put the red tinted glasses down and recognize that the man is passed it and isn't anywhere near being worth the trouble anymore. He absolutely used to be once upon a time but 2018 Jose Mourinho is an utter shell of the fiery maverick he used to be, and his unwillingness to adapt to the modern game will not do him any favors in the future.
So many people love to parrot the line 'no one is bigger than the club' but the man in charge has shown that he cares more about inflating and protecting his own ego and pride than anything else. Of course the ABU media glare makes the United job much more challenging than other top jobs but it'd be one thing if this sort of thing was out of character or a one off but it's become impossible for me to give him the benefit of the doubt anymore given that he's very much been a key contributor to the toxic situations that he's found himself in at the end of his tenures. He truly doesn't often do himself any favors
Just to be clear again, it wasn't easy or satisfying at all as a fan to reach these conclusions as I've seen many caf members imply recently whenever the manager is criticized. Ideally, I would've honestly preferred for Mourinho to be able to stay long term to build a real legacy of winning at United and really leave his mark on the club but unfortunately that seems to be as big of a pipe dream as ever at this point. I just pray that we don't get off to a slow start in the league because I could easily see the situation quickly devolving and becoming untenable by the winter break if that ends up being the case.
I was personally sold when he signed after he was saying all the right things a in regards to upholding the clubs traditions and it looking like he had matured and moved past a lot of his more self-destructive tendencies but low and behold, over 2 years in, we see many of the same petty mistakes that led to his downfall at his previous clubs being repeated as well as a stunning lack of accountability from the man shown by his willingness to throw everyone from the club,fans,board and his own players under the bus to defend himself.
I officially soured on him for good once he started using McTominay as a stick to beat Pogba with and benched him before arguably the 2 biggest matches of the season against Sevilla. These decisions along with the ever present negativity on the pitch and off it made me finally put the red tinted glasses down and recognize that the man is passed it and isn't anywhere near being worth the trouble anymore. He absolutely used to be once upon a time but 2018 Jose Mourinho is an utter shell of the fiery maverick he used to be, and his unwillingness to adapt to the modern game will not do him any favors in the future.
So many people love to parrot the line 'no one is bigger than the club' but the man in charge has shown that he cares more about inflating and protecting his own ego and pride than anything else. Of course the ABU media glare makes the United job much more challenging than other top jobs but it'd be one thing if this sort of thing was out of character or a one off but it's become impossible for me to give him the benefit of the doubt anymore given that he's very much been a key contributor to the toxic situations that he's found himself in at the end of his tenures. He truly doesn't often do himself any favors
Just to be clear again, it wasn't easy or satisfying at all as a fan to reach these conclusions as I've seen many caf members imply recently whenever the manager is criticized. Ideally, I would've honestly preferred for Mourinho to be able to stay long term to build a real legacy of winning at United and really leave his mark on the club but unfortunately that seems to be as big of a pipe dream as ever at this point. I just pray that we don't get off to a slow start in the league because I could easily see the situation quickly devolving and becoming untenable by the winter break if that ends up being the case.
I really don't understand how some posters are talking about their love for Mourinho for being a winner. It seems like such an overly used cliché that lost all meaning. I just find it hard to believe that any manager who made it to the top is not a winner. Moyes's problem was not the lack of the winning gene or whatever it is, he simply was incompetent. I suppose some imply that managers who put more emphasis on style are less "winners" which is a weird point because all those managers do that out of the principle that the better the style is, the more they will win. The idea is basically about becoming so good at what they do in terms of style that they will win enough and an essential part of becoming good enough is to use every game as a chance to hone and perfect that style aiming that it works well enough to justify the times it doesn't. Managers of Mourinho's school prefer to take it challenge by challenge and devise a more specifically tailored strategy for each which usually gets interpreted as doing whatever it takes to win. It is not wrong but it is no more of a "winner" than other approaches to the game.
Did anyone notice how many players are coming out defeding Jose? Herrera, Lukaku and now Willian
"Mourinho is the best manager I've ever worked with. We have a good relationship, we are friends... I don't know if there was any official bid [from Manchester United], but some things have happened." Willian in an ESPN interview
Did I miss anyone?
"Mourinho is the best manager I've ever worked with. We have a good relationship, we are friends... I don't know if there was any official bid [from Manchester United], but some things have happened." Willian in an ESPN interview
Did I miss anyone?
It's part of the false dichotomy that has plagued the caf for a while. That it's either entertaining football or good results, you have to choose, it's one or the other.
I've said already, only a fool would think we were still in title race back in january. What happened after does matter as it proves the point.
What is important is that Jose wasted almost 30m on Micki and according to you he was worth hardly anything after just a year.
Do you have a example? An example of a more expensive transfer (not less expensive) for a player of a same level or worse.
And when was Jose in that position exactly? He left Porto with all their transfers. Chelsea never sold their prize assets. Inter was selling everyone after Jose left.
Since Porto time, that was a long, long time ago, Jose never even worked a season under any kind of financial strain from the club. And all the clubs he went to spent hundred millions of new players.
Extremely better.
First of all, it's incredibly stupid to talk about 'wages saved' and then write that Zlatan came for 'free'. His signing bonus and wages we paid him were astronomical. Just so you know, our wage bill rose quite a lot under Jose. In the first year from ~230m to 260m and in the second (the data for full year is not available) we are likely to reach 300m a year.
According to transfermarket Moyes's season came with net 75m spent, 45 of that in january. While Jose's first season was a net spend of 140m not counting Ibra who's cost us a lot in terms of expenses. But i can easily let it slide, since even considering that Ibra cost United nothing, Jose still spent twice the money Moyes did. And 140m net spending is a rather significant backing.
Yet they compete with us for players and on the field, so it's not stupid. Stupid would be comparing us to Watford or Burnley. Also it does not matter where club gets the money or how. Some get them from owner 'loans', but the main thing is how much club spends on players and the respective results shown.
Our metric has been very poor, we spent more than anyone else apart from City. City overspend us but they are actually playing way better football, winning titles. I'd say that in terms of financial return, points gained for money spent (on transfers and wages) we are behind almost everybody. I would not be surprised even if we are bottom of the league in that terms. Our efficiency has been awful.
After conflict with Martial, then Ed over signings, now we have to deal with conflict with Pogba that's been brewing since last year.
This guy is just one walking shitstorm of negativity this summer. Feck me.
All he had to do was smile at the press and say nowt.
This guy is just one walking shitstorm of negativity this summer. Feck me.
All he had to do was smile at the press and say nowt.
Exactly....all he's done all summer is bring focus and negativity to the club. He's clearly been told to cut it out judging by his last couple of pressers but it's too late. His comments on Pogba winning the World Cup were poisonous, the only person in the world using the World Cup win to bash you with.....your club manager.
Great.
What did he say about Pogba's World Cup performances? I must have missed that
Jeez..... If Pogba is a sensitive as you suggest he really needs to grow a pair!
basically he said that Pogba must show for the club what he showed for the national team..
He used it to character assassinate the player. It was clearly Jose not being capable of dealing with a player having success outside of his bubble. However it came accross as bitter and self serving.
It's not about being sensitive.....it's about your club manager being bitter about your success and performing a public character assassination that's totally unprovoked in an unrelated television interview. However you take it, it's not likely to lesson the tension between the pair.
No he didn't ffs.
Well in my opinion (for what it's worth), Mourinho never said anything like you're suggesting..
Call the bloody National Guard.. If this is what anybody can see as a personal attack, or non appropriate thing to say.. Then they truly need psychiatric assistance.
Correct me if I'm wrong but there was also that part going something the lines of "Pogba needs to ask himself why he was successful at the WC".
Now whether is that because he was alluding he played a huge role in Pogba's success or was it something else, we'll hardly ever find out, considering Mourinho has a certain way of expressing himself.
At the end of the day he could have just said "great success and I'm thrilled for Paul, he's grown to be a very good player ".
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