I've said already, only a fool would think we were still in title race back in january. What happened after does matter as it proves the point.
Was winning the title possible or not? Was the FA cup possible or not? Was winning the CL possible or not? All 3 of them were absolutely possible. Your opinion on whether we could win the title or not doesn't really matter, does it?
What is important is that Jose wasted almost 30m on Micki and according to you he was worth hardly anything after just a year.
No, but his value was absolutely degraded over the course of his stay here. At most we would have probably sold him back to Dortmund like Kagawa for pennies.
Do you have a example? An example of a more expensive transfer (not less expensive) for a player of a same level or worse.
Dembele, Van Djik, Coutinho, Mbappe.
And when was Jose in that position exactly? He left Porto with all their transfers. Chelsea never sold their prize assets. Inter was selling everyone after Jose left.
Ibrahimovic, Inter.
Since Porto time, that was a long, long time ago, Jose never even worked a season under any kind of financial strain from the club. And all the clubs he went to spent hundred millions of new players.
Extremely better.
Inter. Going by wikipedia, the total net spend was 50 million for two seasons. Not really what I'd call flexing his muscle. In his 3 seasons at Chelsea in his second stint, going by transfermarkt, the total net spend is less than 50 million.
First of all, it's incredibly stupid to talk about 'wages saved' and then write that Zlatan came for 'free'. His signing bonus and wages we paid him were astronomical. Just so you know, our wage bill rose quite a lot under Jose. In the first year from ~230m to 260m and in the second (the data for full year is not available) we are likely to reach 300m a year.
You have any data on Zlatan's contract? I'd like to see it. As for the wage bill, It really does seem to me that you can't understand the concept "inflation".
According to transfermarket Moyes's season came with net 75m spent, 45 of that in january. While Jose's first season was a net spend of 140m not counting Ibra who's cost us a lot in terms of expenses. But i can easily let it slide, since even considering that Ibra cost United nothing, Jose still spent twice the money Moyes did. And 140m net spending is a rather significant backing.
What the hell does it matter if it was in January? Again, you seem to be having trouble in understanding what inflation means and does. And again, you seem to be excusing Moyes' dumb ass for the board or Woodward not backing him. As I said, imagine if I was the manager and I wanted Messi, Ronaldo and Neymar right now. And I fail to get none of these players. Who is to blame? The people that own the club or me? Moyes is entirely at fault for chasing unrealistic targets like Fabregas, Thiago and Bale, not anyone else.
Yet they compete with us for players and on the field, so it's not stupid. Stupid would be comparing us to Watford or Burnley. Also it does not matter where club gets the money or how. Some get them from owner 'loans', but the main thing is how much club spends on players and the respective results shown.
Our metric has been very poor, we spent more than anyone else apart from City. City overspend us but they are actually playing way better football, winning titles. I'd say that in terms of financial return, points gained for money spent (on transfers and wages) we are behind almost everybody. I would not be surprised even if we are bottom of the league in that terms. Our efficiency has been awful.
Can you stop dodging from the original debate please? We were talking about how well Moyes was backed compared to Mourinho, not how much our transfer policy sucks. All in all, Mourinho has made generally good acquisitions. Zlatan was a success, Lukaku was a success, Pogba is a relative success, but with the potential to be so much more, Baily and Matic have been good and Sanchez, even though he hasn't shown what he can do, was a good acquisition.
It's not Mourinho's fault that Moyesy and LVG filled the squad with absolute dross that need to be immediately purged. If Moyes inherited from SAF, we'd have a squad comparable to Madrid and Barcelona easily. Regardless of whether Mourinho would have done well with it, one thing you can't dispute is that when it comes to transfers, he generally improves the team. That has been the case for every club he has been, and it has been the case with United.
