José Mourinho | 2018/19 Performances

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That's how it goes with champions, rich clubs often overpay, that's a simple fact. We've done it in the past as well, under Fergie. +30m for Berbatov speaks volumes.
Berbatov came off a great season. Not to mention that Berbatov was in Spurs. Neither Fabregas nor Thiago were that highly rated as top-top players. That's why Barcelona were willing to sell them.

That is plain delusional that. By the time of transfer we were like 10 points behind with our general play having been a shit for quite some time. Sanchez also had a rather unspectacular half, he has not exactly raised our game. And we had to pay, even if it was with Micki. The difference was also, that Sanchez would have been a free agent in the summer, while Micki had a long contract.
And? We had 15 matches to turn it around, we were in the CL (which was Mourinho's specialty) and we were in the FA cup. We didn't have to pay as Mourinho didn't want Mikhi anymore. Him going out was a bonus to the deal, actually.

Not really. How many +90m transfers have you seen? Players of the same level do go for higher prices, but this "higher" price is something like a 55-60m. That would be an "inflated" price. Board decided to basically give Everton everything they ask for, just to get the deal done and quickly, so he would not end up elsewhere.
Inflation wise Lukaku is like the 20th most expensive transfer. Make a comparison with Morata who many here considered an equal to Lukaku. Lukaku was far, far more successful, far more proven and he only cost us 15 million more (if we exclude the add-ons). We didn't really overpay that much in the current transfer environment. You also have to take into account that Lukaku came from the PL which costs more than buying a player that plays in another league for obvious reasons

I am not critical of approach itself, what i am saying is that with this approach we could have easily gotten anyone we were link to back then, under Moyes. If we paid around 50m back then, the clubs, Barca, Munich they would not even consider a rival deals. And players would agree as well as it often happens. If you'd actually remember just before Lukaku transfer many thought he already decided to join Chelsea.
Do you think money just simply falls from the tree branches? We're overpaying now because we're in a shit position. There's absolutely no reasons why the champions of the PL should overpay for players. Let's imagine if we overpaid for Thiago and Fabregas. 100 million each. What then? You have a constantly injured crock and another useless player who can't even pass correctly. Great investment right there.

KDB was regarded as much a top talent as Pogba was at the time. Many actually considered belgian more talented. Ultimately the were players of the same level.
On what planet did all of that happen? KDB was booted from Chelsea. He had a decent season with Wolfsburg, albeit nothing spectacular, and he was brought by City. Who the hell considered him better than Pogba? Pogba came from Juventus, the reigning Serie A champions, was considered absolutely integral to their midfield and success and many considered him with the potential to be the best midfielder in the world in the future (he was already considered one of the best midfielders).

What we do know for a fact, that Jose had a much better one. It clear no matter how you cut it.
Jose got us into the CL twice and won the EL. What did Moyes do aside from making us a laughing stock because I seriously have a hard time remembering? Also, thanks to @AR87 for reminding me - Moyes did indeed go for Bale. Whose fault it is that he was such a clown that he didn't try and get some realistic transfer targets in? Moyes was like that kid that was playing too much Football Manager and coincidentally landed himself the real thing, didn't know what to do, so what he did was put bids on the biggest superstars just because he was playing with a rich club.

And with a huge support like that, he is still unsatisfied mind you. Because club won't buy him third CB, for a 60m now.
While Mourinho certainly hasn't impressed with the money given to him, calling it a "huge support" is not accurate. The Glazers have been leeching from this club for years and years, and they've gotten away with that due to SAF's genius. So they decided to let go of their purse for a bit, but this season you can't possibly say they've backed Mourinho. Look at what wee Liverpool have done this season with the backing of Klopp. All in all, Glazers, like Arsenal's owner, only care about getting top 4 and that's it.
 
^De Bruyne didn't have a decent season at Wolfsburg.

He had a fantastic season as many of our Bundes fans on here would attest to.
 
It's easy to see why we didn't win when you take your eyes off the stats and watch the match. Almost every one of those 81 crosses were fecking useless. Nothing more than aimless hit and hopes that professional defenders had no problem dealing with.

We scored 2 and had 31 efforts on goal, look at that conversion rate though. Conceding 2 was the most frustrating thing that day, they parked the bus and made it impossible to play through. Something we still struggle with 3 years and about £500,000,000 later.
 
^De Bruyne didn't have a decent season at Wolfsburg.

He had a fantastic season as many of our Bundes fans on here would attest to.
And? Are you people claiming that he was considered better than Pogba or even close to? Because that's not how I remember it.
 
Just curious do you enjoy watching football and was it because of your love of football you started supporting UTD? Or was it because UTD were hot stuff back then?
I enjoy watching every sport put on TV. Soccer the most. So yes.

My love for United came in the early 90's specifically because my older brother is a United fan and would follow his every move.

No
 
And? We had 15 matches to turn it around
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That is funny. Consider that with Sanchez signing out gap became bigger. And we crashed out CL in a humiliation manner to a Sevilla team, whose whole squad cost less that Lukaku.
We didn't have to pay as Mourinho didn't want Mikhi anymore. Him going out was a bonus to the deal, actually.
Sure, but Micki was an asset and could have been sold. Sanchez was already going in the summer. Also who bought Micki? Yep, Jose did. For 30m plus. That how much money we spent on a player who's had just six month of contract left.
Inflation wise Lukaku is like the 20th most expensive transfer.
And exactly how much did he cost in that rating? And how is inflation calculated for transfers that were 5 years ago?
I doubt it's a real or even a well though rating. I've seen something like that before Lukaku (so def not 'your' rating) and person who complied that crap was a moron. He was using a CPI to account for inflation in transfer market. Clearly the guy had no idea what CPI actually is.

Do you think money just simply falls from the tree branches?
Jose sure seems to think so. How much many he spent during his time here already? And he still is not impressed.
On what planet did all of that happen? KDB was booted from Chelsea.
Yes by a clueless manager. Lukaku was too btw. I wonder how Chelsea fans feel about it. Not great i think, not great at all.
Jose got us into the CL twice and won the EL. What did Moyes do aside from making us a laughing stock because I seriously have a hard time remembering?
Nothing. But that does not change the fact, that he was not given a financial backing Jose received. Now would Jose managed to achieve these things with the backing of the Moyes variety, we will never know for sure, but i would bet on a 'no'.
While Mourinho certainly hasn't impressed with the money given to him, calling it a "huge support" is not accurate. The Glazers have been leeching from this club for years and years, and they've gotten away with that due to SAF's genius. So they decided to let go of their purse for a bit, but this season you can't possibly say they've backed Mourinho. Look at what wee Liverpool have done this season with the backing of Klopp. All in all, Glazers, like Arsenal's owner, only care about getting top 4 and that's it.
Actually it is accurate. Lets compare Klopp's situation and Jose's. Klopp was forced to sell one of his best player. Was Jose in that position? No, never.

Liverpool was forced to sell its star players regularly, Sterling, Suarez, Coutinho and this is first year in a very long time when Liverpool spent significantly more than received. Lets take Kloop. According to transfermarket (in euros) overall Liverpool net spending from 15-16 till now was 192m. 125/90 (spent/received) 9n 15-16, then 80/85 in 16-17, 168/174 in 17-18 (inc Van Dijk) and finally 182/14 this window. So basically only once did Liverpool give Kloop far more money than it received selling players.
Lets look at United. We have 185/47 for 16-17, then 164/11 and 82/23. That's 350m, what x1.8 more than Liverpools. The major difference is that Klopp bought Salah for 40m, while Jose wasted 40m on Micki. Firminho, Mane all were smartly bought, as opposed of what we have done. Even if you don't like the net sum, we can take a look at pure expenses, they are the same for the last 3 years at 430m each. So even when considering money given, Livepool did not had more.
United is one of the most spending team in the last 4-5 years, under Jose and LVG both. Even this summer our spending is 80m already if we do sign Jose's first pick, it will be well over 100m mark for what, 5-th season in a row. So literally every season after Moyes. Imagine that....
 
Take your mind to the end of this following season and scrape by for 4th place as the others have outclassed us over the season (getting out of top 4 is sackable itself).Would Mourinho get the sack if:

1)We win no trophies
2)Wins League cup
3)Wins FA cup
4)All trophies (had to put in there as you would make a joke about winning it all)


I feel that anything less than a league considering how much money he spent, and the lack of any progress in our tactical play (if we saw progress then this would be different) will be too much to bare. Woodward does seem spineless, so you never know. Any other top side in Europe who's manager hasn't won their national title within 2 seasons would be out the door.

I just hate that this will be another year just thrown in the bin, and wasting talents with likes of Pogba, Lukaku, Sanchez, Martial, Rashford, Bailly etc. They deserve so much more. We deserve so much more.
 
Charlton was right all along - we should have never hired Jose. I hate his football, and think his season he will go down in flames. Hope Carrick does a good job as caretaker
 
Charlton was right all along - we should have never hired Jose. I hate his football, and think his season he will go down in flames. Hope Carrick does a good job as caretaker

I mean preferring Moyes over Mourinho was still a bad decision no matter how you slice it.
 
I hope we go for Zidane. Manager needs to fit us personality wise. A charismatic guy who will play entertaining football. LvG, Moyes and Mourinho are so far away from that.
 
We have worst back line of all top six clubs. And all top european clubs. And i am saying that for years. They can defend when we play defensive style and have numbers in defence. But anything else with our defenders is mission inpossible. I would take pair lovren-matip instead our two clowns mike and phil in a heartbeat. Because they know at least play with the ball. I watched today jones and smalling. Every fecking ball, even when they were clear of danger, is hoofed in panic. You just can't get good style of play with defenders who can't play with the ball.
But do you remember that Jose has already spent £65m on Bailly and Lindelof who are supposed to be better and replace Jones and Smalling?
 
I hope we go for Zidane. Manager needs to fit us personality wise. A charismatic guy who will play entertaining football. LvG, Moyes and Mourinho are so far away from that.

Zidane has proven himself a good man manager, but how is he tactically? I am not discounting his achievements by merely saying "Oh, he managed the best team in the world, the chef can do that" -- but a little bit of perspective is that the Real team is programmed to operate on the front foot and beat other teams into submission. It isn't easy to coax those egos to do their best as Benitez found out, so Zidane did well on that front.

I am afraid that if we hire Zidane, he will struggle with the current squad and there will again be no identity to our play. We need a proper system.

Our players are not at that level and we need a manager who, if not yet proven at the highest level, has potential, some trophy winning experience, shown a bit of flexibility and instills a bit of identity into his squad. Jardim would be my pick, he has fielded both defensive and highly attacking sides in his career.

But knowing Ed, Zidane would be his first choice. Out of contract and a big name.
 
I hope we go for Zidane. Manager needs to fit us personality wise. A charismatic guy who will play entertaining football. LvG, Moyes and Mourinho are so far away from that.
Not another motivator again, we need a guy who knows how to coach once we get rid off Mourinho.
 
The board need to drag Jose into his office and ask him bluntly if he even wants to be here. I have a lot of time for peak Jose. A fired-up Jose Mourinho is one-thing, the snidey self-destructive toy-thrower we're now seeing is another. The Club need to alpha Jose here. Remind him it’s a fecking privilege to be at this club and that there are plenty of other Managers who would turn up to work with a smile if they were given the opportunity he has. I'm not asking him to morph into a goofy kloppledanger, but just try not look like you've been black-mailed into managing Stoke City, and stuck with the budget that entails. And it was all set up so promisingly. I dream of the day when I walk into a job with immediate expectations dampened because of my sh#t stained predecessors. Ed has stuck 350-400 mill in his pockets and provided him with an open court. To appease us supporters is a fecking lay-up. Attack with pace and try to win football matches. We're not any more unreasonable than Liverpool or Spurs supporters, we'll cop to a couple of years of City dominance as long as we're enjoying the ride.
 
I enjoy watching every sport put on TV. Soccer the most. So yes.

My love for United came in the early 90's specifically because my older brother is a United fan and would follow his every move.

No

So you love UTD and love footy yet you couldn't care less how we look and play as long as you get the bragging rights at the end of the season, considering we win stuff?
 
What a great coach! That tactical development under Mou has been just magnificent over the last two years - this pre-season shows that his work starts to pay off. We are going to challenge next season for sure!!

My god, don't remember a time when I was so bored about United - even under LvG we had something exciting to look for (Martial) but nowadays we are just crap.. Wonder how much Chelsea pays him that Mou continues to demolish everything United stands for..
 
I'm expecting this to be an absolute train wreck. I'd bet my mortgage on him not being the manager next season.
 
But do you remember that Jose has already spent £65m on Bailly and Lindelof who are supposed to be better and replace Jones and Smalling?

That's the thing. I don't trust José's judgement when it comes to signing players anymore. We spend millions on the ones he wants and then he constantly moans that they aren't good enough. Slagging off Bailey in the press last week was absolutely ridiculous.
 
While Mourinho certainly hasn't impressed with the money given to him, calling it a "huge support" is not accurate. The Glazers have been leeching from this club for years and years, and they've gotten away with that due to SAF's genius. So they decided to let go of their purse for a bit, but this season you can't possibly say they've backed Mourinho. Look at what wee Liverpool have done this season with the backing of Klopp. All in all, Glazers, like Arsenal's owner, only care about getting top 4 and that's it.

Apart from Sandro,Willian or Bale and Perisic we have delivered or will deliver every damn player that he wanted, he has been supported well enough, he just targets unrealistic targets or gives a free run to Pep and Klopp to buy their targets which could have improved us massively. Amongst that letting a free run to Liverpool for Sadio mane for the right wing problem was amongst the worst decisions made by him and the board over all.

Our transfer strategy has been incredibly reactive just like his tactics but still we delivered 90% of the targets he wanted.

You cant tell me that their are no other players available than Willian and Sandro for RW and left back problems which will also sacrifice top young talents with their game time and eventually force them to leave if he Drops them because they are not good enough to follow his incredibly defensive methods.
 
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What a great coach! That tactical development under Mou has been just magnificent over the last two years - this pre-season shows that his work starts to pay off. We are going to challenge next season for sure!!

My god, don't remember a time when I was so bored about United - even under LvG we had something exciting to look for (Martial) but nowadays we are just crap.. Wonder how much Chelsea pays him that Mou continues to demolish everything United stands for..

We were at least able to keep the ball. We weren't doing anything with it but watching a football game where the opposition has 80% possession is just soul destroying.
 
fecking depressing, this. Turned off the game at half time. Figured I'd turn it back on later. Didn't.. Figured Bayern would win with 1-0 or 2-0 and that we would have nothing to show for. Turned it back on around 70th. Chong looked nice. Other than that, there was just nothing to be excited about. NOTHING. United will and up 6th this year. I'm so fecking sick of Mourinho.
 
I "blame" fergie for this negative opinion about our managers after him. With fergie we have everything what fans want from their club. Attacking football, titles and players who had charisma. In those times biggest players were not prima donnas who cry about everything( but it is another topic).
We must accept that without sick transfer budget which have only two clubs in the world, you can't have everything. It is either result or attacking football. Napoli, liverpool, tottenham, dortmund are last few years neutral fans choice. Because they play the same attacking football against small club at home or big club away. But thay don't win nothing with that approach. Jose is here to win trophies. First year he did it. Second year he didn't. Lets see what will happen this year then fire all weapons on him.

For me it is simple. Managers job in big club is to win titles. How he will win it is his choice. If he fails to do that in 2 seasons in a row then it is time for another coach. Not because he plays "ugly" football.
 
I hope we go for Zidane. Manager needs to fit us personality wise. A charismatic guy who will play entertaining football. LvG, Moyes and Mourinho are so far away from that.

I didn't watch lots of Madrid but I didn't see great attacking intent from Zidane. He actually seemed quite defensive at times and relied on the excellent players in the team!
 
How many million do we really need to spend to play with attacking intent or for us to be able to get the ball to our forwards without hoofing and hoping , seriously
 
I hope we go for Zidane. Manager needs to fit us personality wise. A charismatic guy who will play entertaining football. LvG, Moyes and Mourinho are so far away from that.
I respect his results but with that squad even moyes would be playing attacking football. He had back four who all have football skill to play in midfield. He had best midfield duo in the world. Plus bale and ronaldo in attack. It is basically; " lads, i will not tell you anything. You just play".
 
I respect his results but with that squad even moyes would be playing attacking football. He had back four who all have football skill to play in midfield. He had best midfield duo in the world. Plus bale and ronaldo in attack. It is basically; " lads, i will not tell you anything. You just play".

benitez had the same squad
 
Nothing changed so far. Let's see once the season starts but Jose seems to stick to his approach. Our attacking play is just hopeless
 
I don't understand why the way United play matters to you.
Well, we spend 90 minutes watching them football twice a week on average. That's a lot of time spent being miserable if the team plays like shit.

If only the bragging rights count at the end of the season, why watch at all? If you don't care how we play, why watch it at all? Check the score, boom, done.
 
The board need to drag Jose into his office and ask him bluntly if he even wants to be here. I have a lot of time for peak Jose. A fired-up Jose Mourinho is one-thing, the snidey self-destructive toy-thrower we're now seeing is another. The Club need to alpha Jose here. Remind him it’s a fecking privilege to be at this club and that there are plenty of other Managers who would turn up to work with a smile if they were given the opportunity he has. I'm not asking him to morph into a goofy kloppledanger, but just try not look like you've been black-mailed into managing Stoke City, and stuck with the budget that entails. And it was all set up so promisingly. I dream of the day when I walk into a job with immediate expectations dampened because of my sh#t stained predecessors. Ed has stuck 350-400 mill in his pockets and provided him with an open court. To appease us supporters is a fecking lay-up. Attack with pace and try to win football matches. We're not any more unreasonable than Liverpool or Spurs supporters, we'll cop to a couple of years of City dominance as long as we're enjoying the ride.
:nono:This. Enough is enough - stop deflecting and undermining us and get a grip.
 
Well, we spend 90 minutes watching them football twice a week on average. That's a lot of time spent being miserable if the team plays like shit.

If only the bragging rights count at the end of the season, why watch at all? If you don't care how we play, why watch it at all? Check the score, boom, done.

No thanks. Id rather watch. Even wake up at 6.30 am in the states to watch.


How's it possible to not understand something that's so obvious?

I've never understood it. The obvious answer is winning is the only thing that matters in sports. Therefore, winning is most important and always will be.
 
No thanks. Id rather watch. Even wake up at 6.30 am in the states to watch.




I've never understood it. The obvious answer is winning is the only thing that matters in sports. Therefore, winning is most important and always will be.
Fans watch sports to be entertained. The way we play = levels of entertainment. Currently, we are one of the most big boring teams in the world. Not that hard to understand, is it?

By your logic you don't even need to watch ever and would be happy enough looking at the results at the end of the season and forming your opinion solely on that.
 
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