José Mourinho | 2018/19 Performances

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DomesticTadpole said:
Unfortunately I agree. There is a reason they are all unhappy. Do we trust this board to make the right choice from then on though? What options are there anyway? Big Sam? Alan f*cking Pardew? Give Moysie another shot?
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Persisting with the wrong man won't do us good.

I don't necessarily trust the board either because they don't seem to have much of a long term plan. Let's be honest, hiring Jose was simply a counter to City getting Guardiola. And the only reason he was available was because he fecked up at Chelsea.
 
K2K said:
Persisting with the wrong man won't do us good.

I don't necessarily trust the board either because they don't seem to have much of a long term plan. Let's be honest, hiring Jose was simply a counter to City getting Guardiola. And the only reason he was available was because he fecked up at Chelsea.
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The first cock-up was when they didn't hire Jose straight after SAF. That was when he should have come in, when he still enjoyed football. Not sure he does anymore.
 
It's ironic how many of you lambast the support our manager has for the youth team, yet none of you offer the same support for the manager. Do you even see the problem here? We support the manager all the way - he represents the club and he represents the current values of Man Utd. So what the values are not your values. We must play fast attacking football? Since when? Was Chelsea screaming blue murder when the won trophies every other season playing defensive football? As a fanbase, we need to play the role of supporting and giving reason for the team to win. I rue the day internet happened - giving keyboard warriors a loud voice.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Unfortunately I agree. There is a reason they are all unhappy. Do we trust this board to make the right choice from then on though? What options are there anyway? Big Sam? Alan f*cking Pardew? Give Moysie another shot?
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There are not many better managers out there, but there are some great coaches. We should do the obvious thing and bring in someone knowledgeable about the football side of things as our DOF, and then these coaches can concentrate on coaching the team. If the person hired does not work out then we can at least get some continuity in our team when they are sacked. We have had three different mangers with three different styles allowed to pick their own players, there is just no continuity from one manager to another.

We can't just keep overhauling the squad every time we change our manager, and we will be doing that a lot. You can't expect another SAF to just pop out again, so we need to start with the fact that we need continuity when the managers get sacked.
 
His recent interviews/comments are all directed towards criticizing players. Valencia being the latest target. This season is not looking too good already. He already seems to be in meltdown. I just hope things get better as the season starts.
 
To be fair, he has to try who he has at his disposal. We cannot judge until we have all the squad available and see how he sets out his stall. I still think that we need top full backs.
 
Whilst I think José has done great to rebuild the squad, he is also single handedly responsible for the negativity going in to this season:

- having a go at the kids for constantly complaining that our first teasers aren't here
- throwing Ed under the bus for lack of transfers (however responsible he may actually be for that that)
- cussing out Martial for staying with his newborn
- cussing out Valencia for his injury

I don't see any way he stays beyond this season. He is renowned for winning at absolutely any cost, which, whilst against United's philosophy, can be manageable whilst you're winning. However I don't see how we will improve the winning side of things whilst we still have old failed wingers as fullbacks and no real RW. If this is the case and the football is still poor I don't see how José survives beyond this season.
 
His attitude and behaviour in preseason has become embarrassing and pathetic. Throwing players under the bus only ends up with the manager being sacked, he knows that and obviously doesn’t care.

I shop I am wrong but Will be shocked if this season isn’t a disaster and i hope the board don’t allow him to buy Willian or any other short term signings because it will be a waste of time and money. Save it for paying off Mourinho which seems almost inevitable at some point this season.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
Whilst I think José has done great to rebuild the squad, he is also single handedly responsible for the negativity going in to this season:

- having a go at the kids for constantly complaining that our first teasers aren't here
- throwing Ed under the bus for lack of transfers (however responsible he may actually be for that that)
- cussing out Martial for staying with his newborn
- cussing out Valencia for his injury

I don't see any way he stays beyond this season. He is renowned for winning at absolutely any cost, which, whilst against United's philosophy, can be manageable whilst you're winning. However I don't see how we will improve the winning side of things whilst we still have old failed wingers as fullbacks and no real RW. If this is the case and the football is still poor I don't see how José survives beyond this season.
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He’s right though. Martial should have gotten his ass on a luxurious private jet back to the US as soon as the baby was born and he knew everything was okay.
 
It's a bit like being managed by Souness at the moment. He seems more focused on whining and having pops at our players than he is on tactics and coaching.
 
SirAF said:
He’s right though. Martial should have gotten his ass on a luxurious private jet back to the US as soon as the baby was born and he knew everything was okay.
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Surely the man has a right to stay with his son for a bit. Yeah he's on however much per week but he's just had a son. Nothing is more important than building that initial bond with your child in their first few days. Also, what if his partner is struggling initially and needs help?

Not saying it isn't normal for footballers to come back quickly after something like this, but it's not the World Cup final, not even a competitive match. Surely they say right, stay at home, get yourself in training to keep fit and we'll see you when we get back.
 
SirAF said:
He’s right though. Martial should have gotten his ass on a luxurious private jet back to the US as soon as the baby was born and he knew everything was okay.
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Mourinho isn't wrong but honestly why being a tight ass about it ? It's not like Martial is a hugely important player to him anyway. Mourinho could have moaned directly at Martial without needing to publicly express his frustration. People say he is asked about it but don't managers know when to deflect questions ? Or when to answer in a PC manner ? Mourinho makes it so to build this negative atmosphere around the club
 
got this sent to me - if those Mourinho quotes are accurate, on the back of everything else I would sack him

On having to play with youngsters in preseason :
Pep : “ You cannot imagine how much I have enjoyed these two weeks with these guys. The young guys have desire. They open their eyes and listen because they have their whole career ahead of them. I want to say thank you to them.”
Mourinho : "We started the game with a lot of players who will not be in our squad on August 9. This is not my squad, not even half, not even 30% of my squad. So don't look to this.
“Look, do you want Sanchez to be very happy with the players he has around him? We are here just to survive and to have some not very ugly results. Alexis is the only striker we have. And the poor man is there trying his best."
 
Jose is only any good with experienced big money signings in every position, this pre season is just out of his comfort zone and he doesn't like it at all.

No doubt we'll be better when the season starts, top players just grinding things out as per usual, but it's all rather sad that he's not able to make a better fist of, and be more positive about things just now.
 
Posters have been crowing about how this third season thing is a myth. Well, odds are now pretty high that they end up with egg on their faces. Only preseason but he's already spreading negativity and if he only gets one more signing I think we'll not see huge success from him either which will see more criticism and more reason for him to lash back.
 
Vinnie Peetang said:
It's ironic how many of you lambast the support our manager has for the youth team, yet none of you offer the same support for the manager. Do you even see the problem here? We support the manager all the way - he represents the club and he represents the current values of Man Utd. So what the values are not your values. We must play fast attacking football? Since when? Was Chelsea screaming blue murder when the won trophies every other season playing defensive football? As a fanbase, we need to play the role of supporting and giving reason for the team to win. I rue the day internet happened - giving keyboard warriors a loud voice.
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Let's also hold hands and sing kum ba yah
 
Vinnie Peetang said:
It's ironic how many of you lambast the support our manager has for the youth team, yet none of you offer the same support for the manager. Do you even see the problem here? We support the manager all the way - he represents the club and he represents the current values of Man Utd. So what the values are not your values. We must play fast attacking football? Since when? Was Chelsea screaming blue murder when the won trophies every other season playing defensive football? As a fanbase, we need to play the role of supporting and giving reason for the team to win. I rue the day internet happened - giving keyboard warriors a loud voice.
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None of us are standing in front of a camera publicly criticising Mourinho. It's slightly different to what he's been doing. So give it a rest and get off your high horse
 
Vinnie Peetang said:
It's ironic how many of you lambast the support our manager has for the youth team, yet none of you offer the same support for the manager. Do you even see the problem here? We support the manager all the way - he represents the club and he represents the current values of Man Utd. So what the values are not your values. We must play fast attacking football? Since when? Was Chelsea screaming blue murder when the won trophies every other season playing defensive football? As a fanbase, we need to play the role of supporting and giving reason for the team to win. I rue the day internet happened - giving keyboard warriors a loud voice.
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You great red, you
 
Vinnie Peetang said:
It's ironic how many of you lambast the support our manager has for the youth team, yet none of you offer the same support for the manager. Do you even see the problem here? We support the manager all the way - he represents the club and he represents the current values of Man Utd. So what the values are not your values. We must play fast attacking football? Since when? Was Chelsea screaming blue murder when the won trophies every other season playing defensive football? As a fanbase, we need to play the role of supporting and giving reason for the team to win. I rue the day internet happened - giving keyboard warriors a loud voice.
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Wtf are you doing on here then ?
 
K2K said:
He can tell that directly to Martial.

The old adage about not airing your dirty laundry in public rings true.
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That’s never been his style. Meh, I don’t mind it - United fans are being too precious in my opinion.
 
SirAF said:
That’s never been his style. Meh, I don’t mind it - United fans are being too precious in my opinion.
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His style has led to him get sacked because of exactly this.

We saw first hand of that at Chelsea but especially at Real Madrid. The Madrid thing was so toxic that he was hardly speaking terms on most of his players...including his best player.

This kind of management has not worked with this group of players either.

If your only defense is to jump to the precious defense, then you don't have much of one. This sort of behaviour has led to previous sackings. Surely you learn from that. It's the rational thing to do.
 
MDFC Manager said:
Wow:lol:
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How is that wow? It’s not that common to take paternity leave after the birth, you normally do that when the mother’s leave is over. You also have to factor in that United pay him a fortune every week and need him NOW.
 
buckooo1978 said:
got this sent to me - if those Mourinho quotes are accurate, on the back of everything else I would sack him

On having to play with youngsters in preseason :
Pep : “ You cannot imagine how much I have enjoyed these two weeks with these guys. The young guys have desire. They open their eyes and listen because they have their whole career ahead of them. I want to say thank you to them.”
Mourinho : "We started the game with a lot of players who will not be in our squad on August 9. This is not my squad, not even half, not even 30% of my squad. So don't look to this.
“Look, do you want Sanchez to be very happy with the players he has around him? We are here just to survive and to have some not very ugly results. Alexis is the only striker we have. And the poor man is there trying his best."
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Hopefully you made them up.:nono:
 
Vinnie Peetang said:
It's ironic how many of you lambast the support our manager has for the youth team, yet none of you offer the same support for the manager. Do you even see the problem here? We support the manager all the way - he represents the club and he represents the current values of Man Utd. So what the values are not your values. We must play fast attacking football? Since when? Was Chelsea screaming blue murder when the won trophies every other season playing defensive football? As a fanbase, we need to play the role of supporting and giving reason for the team to win. I rue the day internet happened - giving keyboard warriors a loud voice.
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It’s difficult to blindly follow a leader with no passion or vision.

If I knew he was on the right path and progressing us I would back him, but he isn’t. He’s killing moral and alienating key players.

Only idiots would blindly follow a leader just because you should.
 
JohnnyKills said:
No, sorry mate. Some of us prefer to make our own minds up and reach our own judgements, free from blind loyalty or the narcissistic desire to prove what great fans we are.

The football was awful last year. If you don't see that, fine. But don't expect other people to bury their heads in the sand just because that's what you've chosen to do yourself.

If the football improves, Mourinho's critics will get behind him. But this isn't Pravda - we're free to say what we think. If criticising Mourinho because he's fallen (and continues to fall) short of United's standards makes me a bad fan, so be it.
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Great post. The amount of "Top Reds" points people on here think they get for blindly supporting mediocrity is insane. They don't understand that wanting the best for the club IS supporting the club... Much like the post below!

Vinnie Peetang said:
It's ironic how many of you lambast the support our manager has for the youth team, yet none of you offer the same support for the manager. Do you even see the problem here? We support the manager all the way - he represents the club and he represents the current values of Man Utd. So what the values are not your values. We must play fast attacking football? Since when? Was Chelsea screaming blue murder when the won trophies every other season playing defensive football? As a fanbase, we need to play the role of supporting and giving reason for the team to win. I rue the day internet happened - giving keyboard warriors a loud voice.
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Strongly disagree with absolutely everything you've said.
As a Utd supporter I want the club to win things, after that, I want the club to have vision and direction so that during transition periods, you can see development instead of panic.
A manager that relates to the fans, not cause of blind faith from the masses, but because he understands Utd and maybe even likes it, as opposed to José, who looks like he has a gun to his head every day.
Fans aren't expected to just throw support behind someone they believe is dragging their club backwards, that's insane. He's alienating the youth team players, publicly hanging them out to dry, how will that be good on any level?! He's disrupting the changing room, the fans and now the board. Fingers crossed he's gone by Christmas and when - WHEN - he's gone, you watch the amount of sh1t he's gonna fling at Utd, then you'll see what loyalty is and why blind support of any individual over the great of the club is complete and utter short sightedness.
 
Vinnie Peetang said:
It's ironic how many of you lambast the support our manager has for the youth team, yet none of you offer the same support for the manager. Do you even see the problem here? We support the manager all the way - he represents the club and he represents the current values of Man Utd. So what the values are not your values. We must play fast attacking football? Since when? Was Chelsea screaming blue murder when the won trophies every other season playing defensive football? As a fanbase, we need to play the role of supporting and giving reason for the team to win. I rue the day internet happened - giving keyboard warriors a loud voice.
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I'll never blindly follow a manager.

Think about what you just wrote. Now apply that to Moyes and LVG.
 
Ah Jose, never happier than when he is wallowing in self pity.
Did he really call out Valencia for having "too much holiday "?
He is a walking PR disaster . The PR team in the club must hate him for saying that he wouldn't pay to watch those games.....they pay your huge undeserved wages Jose. Funny man city, arsenal, Liverpool et al could produce a little bit of entertainment for their fans.
And it's all going to be the boards fault now, what top player is going to want to sign for a manager that plays such awful football.
 
iKeano said:
Great post. The amount of "Top Reds" points people on here think they get for blindly supporting mediocrity is insane. They don't understand that wanting the best for the club IS supporting the club... Much like the post below!



Strongly disagree with absolutely everything you've said.
As a Utd supporter I want the club to win things, after that, I want the club to have vision and direction so that during transition periods, you can see development instead of panic.
A manager that relates to the fans, not cause of blind faith from the masses, but because he understands Utd and maybe even likes it, as opposed to José, who looks like he has a gun to his head every day.
Fans aren't expected to just throw support behind someone they believe is dragging their club backwards, that's insane. He's alienating the youth team players, publicly hanging them out to dry, how will that be good on any level?! He's disrupting the changing room, the fans and now the board. Fingers crossed he's gone by Christmas and when - WHEN - he's gone, you watch the amount of sh1t he's gonna fling at Utd, then you'll see what loyalty is and why blind support of any individual over the great of the club is complete and utter short sightedness.
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Great post
 
The United said:
I think this is a very fair assessment. I wanted Jose at United for the same reason awhile ago and then his last stint with Chelsea hit me that he is probably not the same manager that I liked years ago.
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I didn't want him after Fergie left. I just didn't like him at all. Some of his behaviour was terrible and I thought he wouldn't get away with that at United.

But, after Moyes and LVG, I thought he was a necessary evil. The manager the club needed to get that winning mentality back. He had just won the title at Chelsea and the real clincher was stopping Liverpool winning the league the previous season.

He still seemed to have it in him. As a coach and tactician he certainly still does. But, at United, he just seems to be a completely alone, not respected by his squad, at odds with his bosses at the club, despised by the media, persecuted by the FA/Premier League (whoever it was who suspended him for kicking a bottle) and he seems miserable.

There's a sliding doors moment where he wins multiple league titles at United. A lot of what he has done at United has been very positive. But it just seems the wrong club at the wrong time for him.
 
Most of us support the club and only the club, while we all hope to see Mourinho do good by the club, we have no reason to have blind faith in him, we owe him zero loyalty, our loyalty is to the club. Also something that is probably lost on a lot of people, Mourinho could leave for a better/different job but we, the fans, will always be with the club, we are going nowhere.
 
iKeano said:
Great post. The amount of "Top Reds" points people on here think they get for blindly supporting mediocrity is insane. They don't understand that wanting the best for the club IS supporting the club... Much like the post below!



Strongly disagree with absolutely everything you've said.
As a Utd supporter I want the club to win things, after that, I want the club to have vision and direction so that during transition periods, you can see development instead of panic.
A manager that relates to the fans, not cause of blind faith from the masses, but because he understands Utd and maybe even likes it, as opposed to José, who looks like he has a gun to his head every day.
Fans aren't expected to just throw support behind someone they believe is dragging their club backwards, that's insane. He's alienating the youth team players, publicly hanging them out to dry, how will that be good on any level?! He's disrupting the changing room, the fans and now the board. Fingers crossed he's gone by Christmas and when - WHEN - he's gone, you watch the amount of sh1t he's gonna fling at Utd, then you'll see what loyalty is and why blind support of any individual over the great of the club is complete and utter short sightedness.
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What a post. Salute you Sir.
 
Vinnie Peetang said:
It's ironic how many of you lambast the support our manager has for the youth team, yet none of you offer the same support for the manager. Do you even see the problem here? We support the manager all the way - he represents the club and he represents the current values of Man Utd. So what the values are not your values. We must play fast attacking football? Since when? Was Chelsea screaming blue murder when the won trophies every other season playing defensive football? As a fanbase, we need to play the role of supporting and giving reason for the team to win. I rue the day internet happened - giving keyboard warriors a loud voice.
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The day the internet happened must have been amazing.
 
K2K said:
This is eerily similar to his last season at Chelsea.

The cracks where there in preseason and within their first game. He kept laying into the players and the board and the results tanked.

I wonder what happens to him now. None of the top 6 in England will want him after this. Madrid don't need him and Barca would never hire him. Bayern hierarchy don't seem to like him. Juventus wouldn't want to upset Ronaldo and he is generally hated in that country except for Inter fans.
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He'll end up somewhere like Valencia or back at Inter/Porto. Can also see him coaching the Russian NT on a huge wedge.
 
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