I just hope the next manager will bring us back some joy. A young and fresh manager with new ideas and attacking football. Even if that means we might not win things immediately. We aren't with Mou either.
José Mourinho | 2018/19 Performances
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He's starting fights with everyone. 
He'll be gone by the season's end. We'll make the mistake of not replacing early. Like Mourinho, I'm a pessimist nowadays, especially about the future of this football club.
He'll be gone by the season's end. We'll make the mistake of not replacing early. Like Mourinho, I'm a pessimist nowadays, especially about the future of this football club.
You know I was actually a silent but envious fan of Mourinho, and was actually really excited when he came. That was until he , you know, actually started managing our club and I saw his football.
We aren’t getting top 4 this season and Mourinho will just drag us down further. I honestly can see us having a season like at Chelsea when he had his meltdown and finish around 10th place. That could happen at united too.
With his comments it’s like he’s trying to be controversial yet it just comes across as pathetic and frankly it’s very embarrassing to the club. I’m Completely finished with the miserable Idiot and the sooner he fecks off the better.
With his comments it’s like he’s trying to be controversial yet it just comes across as pathetic and frankly it’s very embarrassing to the club. I’m Completely finished with the miserable Idiot and the sooner he fecks off the better.
Don’t think he’s gonna last
Also think the dragging players under the bus thing is rubbish tho
He played these players, some of whom are young
Privately I’d imagine he is very encouraging to them and that’s what matters
Mourinho though has other problems and it doesn’t look good
Also think the dragging players under the bus thing is rubbish tho
He played these players, some of whom are young
Privately I’d imagine he is very encouraging to them and that’s what matters
Mourinho though has other problems and it doesn’t look good
Totally agree. Seriously, I'd be looking forward more to the coming season with Sean Dyche in charge.
Board, club, legends, players, fans. Is there anyone Jose Mourinho still hasn't blame yet? Yes, Jose Mourinho himself.
You would hope so. Guy just screams negativity. Going to be a long season if hes like this before it has even started.
I think that's something that's very likely, the way its going. I really think that this season is going to be a total car crash. Things aren't going to improve until he's gone.
Been saying this since mid last season.
Can't wait for the guy to leave. Just so much negativity surrounds him (whether true or not)
There is the question of Jose vs The Board. I don't know what goes on behind closed doors, but I wonder if they're getting sick of him.
We're a club that is supposed to play attacking football. You've got to assume out of the top 6 this coming season, we'll be the most defensive of the lot, while they others all try and play attractive football.
We need players, but I do think the way Mourinho sets up hinders the players we actually have.
We're a bit like Liverpool in the sense that we are a top heavy talented squad. I think we have some great attacking players, but the negativity in the way we're told to play totally negates the quality we put on the field/
Whether Martial is weak minded or whatever, he was having a good season until Sanchez came. (I'm not against the signing btw), but then all of a sudden, Martial doesn't get a look in the team.
Same with Shaw, no matter his attitude, he was never given a fair crack under Mourinho. A game here and there followed by a public thrashing.
If I was an attacking player switching clubs, forget about being a fan for the argument, United would be the last place I'd want to play if I had the options of City, Liverpoool, Barca, Real etc.
Can't wait for the guy to leave. Just so much negativity surrounds him (whether true or not)
There is the question of Jose vs The Board. I don't know what goes on behind closed doors, but I wonder if they're getting sick of him.
We're a club that is supposed to play attacking football. You've got to assume out of the top 6 this coming season, we'll be the most defensive of the lot, while they others all try and play attractive football.
We need players, but I do think the way Mourinho sets up hinders the players we actually have.
We're a bit like Liverpool in the sense that we are a top heavy talented squad. I think we have some great attacking players, but the negativity in the way we're told to play totally negates the quality we put on the field/
Whether Martial is weak minded or whatever, he was having a good season until Sanchez came. (I'm not against the signing btw), but then all of a sudden, Martial doesn't get a look in the team.
Same with Shaw, no matter his attitude, he was never given a fair crack under Mourinho. A game here and there followed by a public thrashing.
If I was an attacking player switching clubs, forget about being a fan for the argument, United would be the last place I'd want to play if I had the options of City, Liverpoool, Barca, Real etc.
Honestly will be glad when he’s gone
Really starting to get sick of the shite he comes out with. Must be the worst man manager in the premier league. It’s not even worth it for the results anymore because they’re usually either lacklustre wins or embarrassing losses.
Desparately need to sign a creative forward and ideally a defender. Otherwise it’s going to be the same boring shit all season. Can’t see Mourinho lasting another year if we churn out the same performances.
Desparately need to sign a creative forward and ideally a defender. Otherwise it’s going to be the same boring shit all season. Can’t see Mourinho lasting another year if we churn out the same performances.
Don't worry lads, this will be his last season.
Saturday 13th May. After years in relative wilderness in the Premier League, United clinched second place thanks to Marcus Rashford’s winner. Carrick got to say his goodbyes, youth players were starting and the Manchester club had finished highest in the league since Sir Alex Ferguson had retired.
Why then, is there an increasing sense of negativity surrounding the “special” one? I intend to spell out why an increasing number of fans are feeling like Jose was never a Manchester United manager.
1. Performances.
At the end of last season we saw exactly what many United fans feared. A series of dour and boring performances left the fan base restless and frustrated. Despite having players such as Lukaku, Martial, Rashford and Sanchez - United couldn’t attack to save their lives. Sanchez has been one of the best players in the Prem over the last five years. Lukaku is probably the second best striker in the league. Martial was seen as our best player before Mourinho had arrived. Rashford has just been seen as the most valuable young player in the world. There’s a cavalcade of talent there that for some reason are not performing.
Defence is even worse. Despite spending 65+ million on central defenders we ended the season with a defence that Ferguson could have picked. De Gea was once again our best player.
2. Personality
An increasing number of Manchester United fans seem to be getting frustrated with how Mourinho throws his players under the bus. The aforementioned Martial is criticised for having the gall to want to spend a week with his newborn boy. Young players are made fully aware they will not be used next year. Fresh from a World cup winning goal, Pogba will soon return with fans acutely aware of the fragile nature of his relationship with Mourinho. Players such as Luke a Shaw and Mikhitaryan clearly have found it difficult to face up to Mourinho’s management style.
Even worse is the fact that Mourinho seemed to insult the club itself last year after a dismal performance against Sevilla. Choosing to insult Manchester United rather than admitting any fault. Sir Bobby Charlton reportedly did not think that Mourinho was appropriate for our club due to his personality.... it seems that the great man was right.
3. Rivals’ performance.
Yes we finished second last year. But there is question marks over the sustained ability to do this. Manchester City remain further in front of us than ever. Liverpool give up their league campaign last year as they were in a CL final. Their recruitment seems to have improved them. Chelsea just beat us in the FA Cup final with a lame duck manager and look to have improved this season. Arsenal have got a new manager and signed some class players. Tottenham finished behind us effectively due to awful form at the start of the season when they moved stadium and struggled. While our style of football stagnates we have seen a Liverpool and Tottenham team playing effective and attacking football while Chelsea seem set to improve.
4. Signings.
Mourinho’s signings have mostly been poor.
Eric Bailly and Victor Lindelof cant break into the first team. Mikhi departed after a year. Sanchez (while class) disrupted the team and actually negatively impacted our football. Pogba was the worlds most expensive footballer and got dropped and hasn’t been as good as you would have expected. Ibra arrived, lasted three quarters of a season and then pretty much ended his career leading us to need to completely revamp the strike force the year after. This year we seem to have targeted players who will not improve our weak areas.
5. Players performances.
Martial. Sanchez. Rashford. Shaw. Valencia. Lindelof.
Players who either arrived and struggled to live up to their previous levels or have gone backwards since Mourinho arrived. I have seen people saying he revitalised Lingard and Young, but Ashley was fantastic in LVG’s tenure and it was under Van Gaal that Lingard had a chance to shine. I don’t think he has improved one player under his tenure at the club.
6.Third season syndrome.
Mourinho has a history of struggling in his third year. We are only in pre season but Jose has started falling out with his players, there’s rumours of a falling out with the board (fueled by Mourinho’s own comments) and our pre season results have been awful. We have a lot of players out, but if anything the fact that so many of our attacking players did well enough at the World Cup to miss the start of the season is worrying in itself.
7. Lack of trophies.
If you bring in Jose Mourinho you want short term success. We have won the Europa League and League Cup since he arrived. The Europa league win was fantastic, yet our run was easy. You can only beat what is in front of you, yet there is no doubt we did not play one team in the tournament who you would expect to see in the Premier League. Our cup final defeat to Chelsea was awful and our performance against Sevilla beggared belief. We have spent record amounts of money and this hasn’t been reflected in performances or trophies. If you bring in Mourinho and give him the worlds most expensive player and another 250 million you expect to see vast improvements.
It is not knee jerk to question Mourinho. The man has not done enough at our great club to deserve unwaversing support. His style of play, criticism of players and lack of support for youth is the antithesis to what you expect of a united manager and our results and performance haven’t improved enough for us to settle with him.
Why then, is there an increasing sense of negativity surrounding the “special” one? I intend to spell out why an increasing number of fans are feeling like Jose was never a Manchester United manager.
1. Performances.
At the end of last season we saw exactly what many United fans feared. A series of dour and boring performances left the fan base restless and frustrated. Despite having players such as Lukaku, Martial, Rashford and Sanchez - United couldn’t attack to save their lives. Sanchez has been one of the best players in the Prem over the last five years. Lukaku is probably the second best striker in the league. Martial was seen as our best player before Mourinho had arrived. Rashford has just been seen as the most valuable young player in the world. There’s a cavalcade of talent there that for some reason are not performing.
Defence is even worse. Despite spending 65+ million on central defenders we ended the season with a defence that Ferguson could have picked. De Gea was once again our best player.
2. Personality
An increasing number of Manchester United fans seem to be getting frustrated with how Mourinho throws his players under the bus. The aforementioned Martial is criticised for having the gall to want to spend a week with his newborn boy. Young players are made fully aware they will not be used next year. Fresh from a World cup winning goal, Pogba will soon return with fans acutely aware of the fragile nature of his relationship with Mourinho. Players such as Luke a Shaw and Mikhitaryan clearly have found it difficult to face up to Mourinho’s management style.
Even worse is the fact that Mourinho seemed to insult the club itself last year after a dismal performance against Sevilla. Choosing to insult Manchester United rather than admitting any fault. Sir Bobby Charlton reportedly did not think that Mourinho was appropriate for our club due to his personality.... it seems that the great man was right.
3. Rivals’ performance.
Yes we finished second last year. But there is question marks over the sustained ability to do this. Manchester City remain further in front of us than ever. Liverpool give up their league campaign last year as they were in a CL final. Their recruitment seems to have improved them. Chelsea just beat us in the FA Cup final with a lame duck manager and look to have improved this season. Arsenal have got a new manager and signed some class players. Tottenham finished behind us effectively due to awful form at the start of the season when they moved stadium and struggled. While our style of football stagnates we have seen a Liverpool and Tottenham team playing effective and attacking football while Chelsea seem set to improve.
4. Signings.
Mourinho’s signings have mostly been poor.
Eric Bailly and Victor Lindelof cant break into the first team. Mikhi departed after a year. Sanchez (while class) disrupted the team and actually negatively impacted our football. Pogba was the worlds most expensive footballer and got dropped and hasn’t been as good as you would have expected. Ibra arrived, lasted three quarters of a season and then pretty much ended his career leading us to need to completely revamp the strike force the year after. This year we seem to have targeted players who will not improve our weak areas.
5. Players performances.
Martial. Sanchez. Rashford. Shaw. Valencia. Lindelof.
Players who either arrived and struggled to live up to their previous levels or have gone backwards since Mourinho arrived. I have seen people saying he revitalised Lingard and Young, but Ashley was fantastic in LVG’s tenure and it was under Van Gaal that Lingard had a chance to shine. I don’t think he has improved one player under his tenure at the club.
6.Third season syndrome.
Mourinho has a history of struggling in his third year. We are only in pre season but Jose has started falling out with his players, there’s rumours of a falling out with the board (fueled by Mourinho’s own comments) and our pre season results have been awful. We have a lot of players out, but if anything the fact that so many of our attacking players did well enough at the World Cup to miss the start of the season is worrying in itself.
7. Lack of trophies.
If you bring in Jose Mourinho you want short term success. We have won the Europa League and League Cup since he arrived. The Europa league win was fantastic, yet our run was easy. You can only beat what is in front of you, yet there is no doubt we did not play one team in the tournament who you would expect to see in the Premier League. Our cup final defeat to Chelsea was awful and our performance against Sevilla beggared belief. We have spent record amounts of money and this hasn’t been reflected in performances or trophies. If you bring in Mourinho and give him the worlds most expensive player and another 250 million you expect to see vast improvements.
It is not knee jerk to question Mourinho. The man has not done enough at our great club to deserve unwaversing support. His style of play, criticism of players and lack of support for youth is the antithesis to what you expect of a united manager and our results and performance haven’t improved enough for us to settle with him.
let's look at the pros and cons
pros
- he finished second and the year before won 2 trophies
- he seems to be someone who will have us as a good contender for top 4
- thats it for me
cons
- he seems tactically behind the times
- he isn't motivating the players to do their best
- our team is less than the sum of its parts
- we are boring
- we have spent a small fortune yet we don't play well, create enough chances and we are still weak defensively
- he's a cheque book manager relying on expensive players
- his negative attitude and snarky comments are counter productive and take away the joy of the good times
- he takes no responsibility
- I'd question his relationship with the board based on comments
- we've plateaued I think - 2nd place with boring shit football was the high under Jose
this Summer was the perfect time to let him go
pros
- he finished second and the year before won 2 trophies
- he seems to be someone who will have us as a good contender for top 4
- thats it for me
cons
- he seems tactically behind the times
- he isn't motivating the players to do their best
- our team is less than the sum of its parts
- we are boring
- we have spent a small fortune yet we don't play well, create enough chances and we are still weak defensively
- he's a cheque book manager relying on expensive players
- his negative attitude and snarky comments are counter productive and take away the joy of the good times
- he takes no responsibility
- I'd question his relationship with the board based on comments
- we've plateaued I think - 2nd place with boring shit football was the high under Jose
this Summer was the perfect time to let him go
Ive backed mourinho and wanted to give him a chance but i dont think ive ever seen a top flight manager so negative in a pre season than him. Even if behind the scenes things are not going your way you have to carry yourself better in public otherwise the negativity Will go through the entire team as it will here.
You think you're that special you needed your own thread to write this as oppose to using one of the countless others?
The negativity, horrendous football, knack for turning world class players into average ones, lack of class....this will be his last season. I for one can't wait to see what a more attacking manager can do with our players.
I am stuck on a train and pretty bored. I thought it was different enough to warrant a thread. If not that is fair enough.
I don’t really understand why this needs a new thread. You’ve repeated arguments that I’ve seen all over the forum, some that have a bit of truth in them and some that are total rubbish.
He’s definitely going to be in charge for atleast another 12 months,and I don’t want to look ahead to a new season with such negativity.I think all in all,Mourinho has done enough to warrant a 3rd season in charge....He has taken the club and the team forward(even though the style of play can be very ponderous) and this club desperately needs managerial stability...
His style of play needs to improve and his attitude isn’t endearing at all,but,he still deserves a 3rd season at this club....
I think it's time for the 'I Hate Jose Brigade' to have their own sub forum.
Clearly, the 19,000 threads pertaining to the things we hate about Jose just isn't enough.
Clearly, the 19,000 threads pertaining to the things we hate about Jose just isn't enough.
Because there’s a lot of supposed “neutral” threads that have become infested with negativity. Apart from the “not looking forward to next season” thread which seems a bit more focused on the preparations for next year, I don’t think there is a thread clearly spelling out the issues with Mourinho.
Theres whining is allowed on this forum?
Great write up OP and I agree with all said.
Even the staunchest Mourinho supporters I know turned after last night.
I'm merging this with the Mourinho thread. Every individual who decides that Mourinho should be sacked or isn't good enough can do that in the thread dedicated to him. I'm sick of seeing ten different threads essentially saying the same thing.
Well done mate, good read. Agree with pretty much all you say.
You've basically collated all negative arguments into 1 thread.
We can only pray that the likes of Pogba, Martial stay until an attacking manager arrives. Would hurt to lose them and then see Mourinho get sacked and the new manager then has to spend big to buy another Pogba or Martial. Even Sanchez might get frustrated if our style of football doesn't improve.
You could have a pro Jose sub forum. Call it “we finished second so nuh-uh”
I think it's us that need a sub forum. We're a minority here now.
Technically they kind of do, it’s just in the general forum. It’s like a clubhouse.
Thank you!
Bravo
Great post, and I think it summarises why we're heading for a car crash of a season. I genuinely believe the writing has been on the wall for a while now, and while I understand why the board kept him on, I think it was a mistake to not make a change when he failed to challenge for any of the notable trophies last season.
What's he said about Val?
People have a go at Mourinho for criticising his players but Sarri had a pop at Morata the other day. Managers are well entitled to criticise their players, if my manager questioned my performance I would be looking to prove them wrong.
Well, that is interesting because when we finished 5th Under LVG you were his biggest fan but when we finished 6th and won 2 Trophies you were Joses biggest detractor. So when we finished 2nd you use that as some sort of counter-argument. That's like saying "ha ha you are progressing". Genius.
This is why no one takes you seriously and the mods changed your name to more accurately portray you...
You've all whipped yourself into a negative storm before a ball has even been kicked, largely based off your same moaning as last season and dislike of Jose.
I just feel sorry for fans that negative.
I just feel sorry for fans that negative.
Tbf, the man offers plenty of reasons himself.
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