José Mourinho | 2018/19 Performances

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Jazz said:
Exactly what I've said in the other thread.
Get some good coaches in to help McKenna. Or ask Rene and Shorts to come back. Carrick is too passive for the assistant role and should just be one of the coaches.
At least McKenna will know how he wants to play. He'll just need to execute it at a higher level. I'd take this option even if we don't make top 4. We're not getting it with Jose in this mood so may as well get rid. It will still cost less to get rid of him than buying one of his desired 30 year old defenders.
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It'd be interesting, but Woodward and co would never do this.

They're going to be with Jose all the way until CL football is unattainable.
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
It'd be interesting, but Woodward and co would never do this.

They're going to be with Jose all the way until CL football is unattainable.
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CL football will look unattainable sooner rather than later if we have a horrific start to the season which is what he seems to leading up to. The match going fans will go mad and Jose will be even more toxic. I'm not sure the board (and sponsors) will be able to tolerate that much negativity to wait until we're out of top 4. It will become untenable.
 
Minimalist said:
Honestly thought man-management was meant to be one of his strengths.
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It is, but only when things are going well.

When things aren't so well, the best man management is to boot him out first. Most clubs have seen sense in doing this, hope we do it at the earliest too.
 
Jazz said:
CL football will look unattainable sooner rather than later if we have a horrific start to the season which is what he seems to leading up to. The match going fans will go mad and Jose will be even more toxic. I'm not sure the board (and sponsors) will be able to tolerate that much negativity to wait until we're out of top 4. It will become untenable.
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I don't disagree. I could see us finishing anywhere from 2nd to 6th.

But if Woodward didn't sack Moyes after his disastrous spell and his awful comments of "making it hard for Newcastle", "aspiring to be like City", he won't get rid of Mourinho either mid-season.

He'll wait until the very end. He's not forward thinking enough. We've lost 2 seasons of potential CL football, because we held on too long to the manager.
 
POF said:
The progress in 2 years under Mourinho has been largely extremely positive. The quality of the squad has certainly improved, the club is now selling unwanted players for decent money rather than giving them away and on the pitch the team has become much harder to beat. The football isn't great but that doesn't bother me much.

What really worries me is the ongoing conflict between Jose, his squad and the powers that be in the club. Nobody seems on the same page, which from a player perspective came to a head when the club signed Sanchez. United were on a fantastic run, playing good football and had added an attacking fulcrum that the team desperately needed. At the time they were clearly the second best team in England and this should have been the catalyst to challenge City but instead the wheels came off, Pogba started acting like a 2 year old who had his favourite toy taken away and it signalled the end for Martial who was in good form at the time.

There's no unity in the club, Jose makes constant confrontational remarks in public about Woodward and the players. I'm sure he has his reasons but the impact is nothing positive.

There's a really good chance that this will be his last season but it is nothing to do with his ability as a coach, his tactics or recruitment of players. It's all down to him as a person and his ability (or lack thereof) to maintain ongoing sustainable and positive relationships with his work colleagues and even the media.

There were plenty of articles after the world cup about what Jose should learn from Pogba's performance. What he would have learned is that he was right in thinking Pogba is at his best in a deeper midfield role and that the only obstacle to Pogba being successful there is Pogba himself. The worry is that he cannot get through to Pogba to make him realise that. The other major worry is that the squad took the signing of a top class attacking player as a negative. What successful team does that?

My biggest reason for wanting Mourinho at United was to instil a winning mentality that was absent since Moyes replaced Fergie. That he hasn't been able to do that in 2 years is a major concern for both him and the club.
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I think this is a very fair assessment. I wanted Jose at United for the same reason awhile ago and then his last stint with Chelsea hit me that he is probably not the same manager that I liked years ago.
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
I don't disagree. I could see us finishing anywhere from 2nd to 6th.

But if Woodward didn't sack Moyes after his disastrous spell and his awful comments of "making it hard for Newcastle", "aspiring to be like City", he won't get rid of Mourinho either mid-season.

He'll wait until the very end. He's not forward thinking enough. We've lost 2 seasons of potential CL football, because we held on too long to the manager.
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Can't remember Moyes attacking the board like this, nor LVG, until they got the boot. He's constantly at it. Woodward is a corporate man, and that type won't like this constant shit. Plus Ed's judgment will be called in to question as well.
It will be hell watching them throw each other under the bus.

Edit - forgot to say I'd be happy to finish 6th at this rate. Jose's toxicity and his refusal to adapt his playing style, has me fearing our season will be worse than 6th. I really hope I'm wrong once the season starts, but extremely nervous with this unstable guy in charge.
 
People say he's lashing out in the pressers but honestly I havent seen very much he's said this summer that I haven't agreed with.

Where he's losing it is his decision (assuming it is his decision) to go into the season with 4 fullbacks, 2 of whom are old and nowhere near good enough, 1 has never played for the club and the other has never played well for the club. Oh and two are injured for at least the first month of the season.
 
This is eerily similar to his last season at Chelsea.

The cracks where there in preseason and within their first game. He kept laying into the players and the board and the results tanked.

I wonder what happens to him now. None of the top 6 in England will want him after this. Madrid don't need him and Barca would never hire him. Bayern hierarchy don't seem to like him. Juventus wouldn't want to upset Ronaldo and he is generally hated in that country except for Inter fans.
 
K2K said:
This is eerily similar to his last season at Chelsea.

The cracks where there in preseason and within their first game. He kept laying into the players and the board and the results tanked.

I wonder what happens to him now. None of the top 6 in England will want him after this. Madrid don't need him and Barca would never hire him. Bayern hierarchy don't seem to like him. Juventus wouldn't want to upset Ronaldo and he is generally hated in that country except for Inter fans.
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National team management and PSG basically. Or go to a club that isn't quite at the very top and try to see if he can still work his old magic. His skills are a lot better suited to underdog clubs. Clubs that aren't expected to win everything or expected to win while entertaining. He isn't suited to those. Put him at a club that will love every second of them punching above their weight with him in charge regardless of playing style and he'll get his old reputation back IMO.
 
K2K said:
This is eerily similar to his last season at Chelsea.

The cracks where there in preseason and within their first game. He kept laying into the players and the board and the results tanked.

I wonder what happens to him now. None of the top 6 in England will want him after this. Madrid don't need him and Barca would never hire him. Bayern hierarchy don't seem to like him. Juventus wouldn't want to upset Ronaldo and he is generally hated in that country except for Inter fans.
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Next stop Milan.
 
This thread is probably going to be the most entertaining thing about our season. Until the Jose backers themselves get turned anyway.
 
K2K said:
This is eerily similar to his last season at Chelsea.

The cracks where there in preseason and within their first game. He kept laying into the players and the board and the results tanked.

I wonder what happens to him now. None of the top 6 in England will want him after this. Madrid don't need him and Barca would never hire him. Bayern hierarchy don't seem to like him. Juventus wouldn't want to upset Ronaldo and he is generally hated in that country except for Inter fans.
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He has commended the players though? He literally said they have had a phenomenal attitude.
 
bosnian_red said:
National team management and PSG basically. Or go to a club that isn't quite at the very top and try to see if he can still work his old magic. His skills are a lot better suited to underdog clubs. Clubs that aren't expected to win everything or expected to win while entertaining. He isn't suited to those. Put him at a club that will love every second of them punching above their weight with him in charge regardless of playing style and he'll get his old reputation back IMO.
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I don't see him having that fire to actually do that.

United were far from the top and that hasn't driven him. I think his failures at Chelsea and Real have just made him more stubborn in his ways.
 
K2K said:
I don't see him having that fire to actually do that.

United were far from the top and that hasn't driven him. I think his failures at Chelsea and Real have just made him more stubborn in his ways.
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Not so much the top but we're still a big club with the expectations to play good football and have success at the same time. He struggled at Madrid and it's looking more and more like that stint broke him with those expectations. Can't handle that other managers achieve even more success then he does while playing great football, while he only ever knew how to grind his way to results. Now it remains to be seen if he can even do that still.
 
bosnian_red said:
Not so much the top but we're still a big club with the expectations to play good football and have success at the same time. He struggled at Madrid and it's looking more and more like that stint broke him with those expectations. Can't handle that other managers achieve even more success then he does while playing great football, while he only ever knew how to grind his way to results. Now it remains to be seen if he can even do that still.
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His Real Madrid team that won the league played excellent football.

K2K said:
That's one.

It's annoying because he has done this so many times during his tenure. Like what is the point of that?
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Well he asked Martial to be back and he hasn't come back soooo...
 
If Mourinho is as much of a moody git in the dressing room as he is during pressers, then you can understand if some of the players lose motivation to play for him. I hope he has a different vibe to him in the dressing room. I used to have a boss who was moody as shit and it makes you lose motivation to come to work.
 
One bad loss and he immediately throws the entire squad under the bus. Remember the presser after the Sevilla game? He could have just said it's a friendly and all that is important is that the players have got another 90 minutes under their belt. Instead, he said only 30% would even be in his squad. I'll find it hard to believe that he is this toxic in the press but has a totally different attitude with the players.
 
haram said:
His Real Madrid team that won the league played excellent football.



Well he asked Martial to be back and he hasn't come back soooo...
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His stint at Madrid is mostly seen as a failure. They had 1 good season. Real Madrid demands success and quality football every season. Not to mention how he fell out with pretty much everyone at the club in his last season. The players were sick of going defensive the second they played any big side, and for good reason.

Also seriously? You're aiding with Mourinho over the baby situation? He had a fecking child. He's allowed to spend some time with the new born and help out, especially as its only pre season. Look at how Klopp dealt with Clyne in the same situation. Polar opposites. The team is going to be in Manchester in a week. You think its helpful for the player himself to fly to Europe, then back to the states after like 2-3 days, then back to Europe after another 3-4 days? That's literally the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Just stay in Manchester, train on your own, stay with the kid and meet up with the squad when they come back.
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
I don't disagree. I could see us finishing anywhere from 2nd to 6th.

But if Woodward didn't sack Moyes after his disastrous spell and his awful comments of "making it hard for Newcastle", "aspiring to be like City", he won't get rid of Mourinho either mid-season.

He'll wait until the very end. He's not forward thinking enough. We've lost 2 seasons of potential CL football, because we held on too long to the manager.
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There is also the obvious issue about who will replace him if it gets to that point. We can't just sack him mid-season with no alternative in mind.
 
bosnian_red said:
His stint at Madrid is mostly seen as a failure. They had 1 good season. Real Madrid demands success and quality football every season. Not to mention how he fell out with pretty much everyone at the club in his last season. The players were sick of going defensive the second they played any big side, and for good reason.
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You said he only ever knew how to grind results. That is false. The year they won the title was not a grind. They blitzed the campaign.
 
"It will be huge experience for these guys to realise we can play against good teams. We have five or six days until the Community Shield and I don't know which players will be able to play, but I am so satisfied with these games." - Pep following Bayern game

This is how you act and build a team. Nothing about having only 30% of your starting XI.
 
haram said:
You said he only ever knew how to grind results. That is false. The year they won the title was not a grind. They blitzed the campaign.
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It is kind of funny that even with so called abnormal season for Jose, he still left them with bad terms.

Things were that bad.
 
bosnian_red said:
His stint at Madrid is mostly seen as a failure. They had 1 good season. Real Madrid demands success and quality football every season. Not to mention how he fell out with pretty much everyone at the club in his last season. The players were sick of going defensive the second they played any big side, and for good reason.

Also seriously? You're aiding with Mourinho over the baby situation? He had a fecking child. He's allowed to spend some time with the new born and help out, especially as its only pre season. Look at how Klopp dealt with Clyne in the same situation. Polar opposites. The team is going to be in Manchester in a week. You think its helpful for the player himself to fly to Europe, then back to the states after like 2-3 days, then back to Europe after another 3-4 days? That's literally the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Just stay in Manchester, train on your own, stay with the kid and meet up with the squad when they come back.
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Why would it be 'only' the preseason? Is playing for Utd a hobby for Martial?

I remember there being an issue with Xabi Alonso at Liverpool, but I think that was with him wanting to be at the birth. I don't remember there being a big run of players wanting to go on paternity leave.

Mourinho said the preseason was going to be bad because the senior players weren't going to be there, and people were shocked, shocked that he could say out loud what was an obvious truth. Weird how people think -- that because Mourinho wants it, it must be bad.

I read something in a David Beckham book once about him missing training because one of his kids was sick. That that was the last straw in his relationship with Sir Alex. Try to imagine a Utd player skipping the preseason for paternity leave then.
 
K2K said:
I don't see him having that fire to actually do that.

United were far from the top and that hasn't driven him. I think his failures at Chelsea and Real have just made him more stubborn in his ways.
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Agree with that, he is convinced his ways are right, that they don't know what they are doing. Maybe it is that Jose is not moving with the times.
 
haram said:
His Real Madrid team that won the league played excellent football.



Well he asked Martial to be back and he hasn't come back soooo...
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If you have issues with plsyers, keep them in-house.

Let's stop defending nonsense. And it's not like Martial has gone off for something unimportant. This is the same Mourinho that was whining about missing his daughters graduation so he obviously sees the importance of family. And a birth of a child is much bigger than a graduation.
 
bosnian_red said:
Not so much the top but we're still a big club with the expectations to play good football and have success at the same time. He struggled at Madrid and it's looking more and more like that stint broke him with those expectations. Can't handle that other managers achieve even more success then he does while playing great football, while he only ever knew how to grind his way to results. Now it remains to be seen if he can even do that still.
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I still think he is amongst the top managers in world football but his best days are long past him .
 
K2K said:
If you have issues with plsyers, keep them in-house.

Let's stop defending nonsense. And it's not like Martial has gone off for something unimportant. This is the same Mourinho that was whining about missing his daughters graduation so he obviously sees the importance of family. And a birth of a child is much bigger than a graduation.
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Nobody can deny Martial the chance to be there when his child is born. That is not a problem for me. The problem for me is the fact Martial or his agent has said all summer he wants to go. It really should have been dealt with especially if Ed is saying he has to sell to buy.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Agree with that, he is convinced his ways are right, that they don't know what they are doing. Maybe it is that Jose is not moving with the times.
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His ways are going to get him fired again.

For me his Chelsea stint showed the height of his stubbornness. Persisting with an the overhill Ivanovic while everyone and their dog could see that it wasn't working took the cake for me. The guy had to get injured to drop out of the team.

I really thought he had learnt from that and his talk of building a legacy here would influence that. But alas. It will go the same way as his other jobs since Madrid.

It's sad for me because I really like Jose and thought he was the man that would help is get to back to the top. But the baggage he brings with him seems to much to bother with .
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Nobody can deny Martial the chance to be there when his child is born. That is not a problem for me. The problem for me is the fact Martial or his agent has said all summer he wants to go. It really should have been dealt with especially if Ed is saying he has to sell to buy.
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Darmian has also said he wants to leave. In fact he even went on record about that.

He was made captain. Why the double standards?
 
Seriously when are we going to get rid if this guy? He's such a miserable, negative manager. Makes watching the matches boring with the outdated football and is beyond unlikeable in the media. Ship him out.
 
K2K said:
Darmian has also said he wants to leave. In fact he even went on record about that.

He was made captain. Why the double standards?
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They both should have gone. He keeps saying he will not keep an unhappy player. I am not actually blaming Jose for this as he is not doing the selling. That is down to Ed and his staff. Blind was not being used, ever. He could have gone in January to be fair. Then god help us Bale's name keeps cropping up and we hang around until he has had talks with the manager about his future. He doesn't want to come to us, just deal with it and move on.
 
It's amazing that one man can spread his negativity everywhere, even on the internet.

And people still think that Mourinho leaving club in bad terms is just a myth.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
They both should have gone. He keeps saying he will not keep an unhappy player. I am not actually blaming Jose for this as he is not doing the selling. That is down to Ed and his staff. Blind was not being used, ever. He could have gone in January to be fair. Then god help us Bale's name keeps cropping up and we hang around until he has had talks with the manager about his future. He doesn't want to come to us, just deal with it and move on.
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Pogba doesn't sound entirely happy here too.

Do we get rid of him too?

I think there is only one solution here and we all sadly know it.
 
K2K said:
Pogba doesn't sound entirely happy here too.

Do we get rid of him too?

I think there is only one solution here and we all sadly know it.
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Unfortunately I agree. There is a reason they are all unhappy. Do we trust this board to make the right choice from then on though? What options are there anyway? Big Sam? Alan f*cking Pardew? Give Moysie another shot?
 
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