José looking to sign 6 players in summer - 2CM, LB, RB, W, CB [Times]

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el3mel said:
I can't see anyone to blame for this current summer ( current summer only ) except Ed. Absolute disaster of a market. Very similar to Moyes summer tbh. We look like to have a budget of 100m only this summer.

We have paid 70m and sold for 16m with Darmian and Rojo close to leaving, the first will be mostly for 20m and latter for 25m of reports are true, and if they both end up getting sold we would have sold for for about 61m while buying for 70m only. If both don't get sold our net spend will stay about 44m, fecking 44m.

These aren't funds supposed for a team to win the league. We have spent far more than that to just get a CL fecking qualifying spot under both LVG and Mourinho.
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That my friend is hitting the nail on the head.
If we don't get CL football, we miss out on a lot of money. Hence, it's worth spending £150M to get back into the CL.
But when you have a manager of the calibre of Jose, who can probably get top 4 with the existing squad, with a net spend of close to zero, why bother spending a penny?
This is a business and the aim is to keep spending low and revenues high. The result: big profit, which goes into the pockets of the shareholders (which includes the Glazers).

Jose wants to win the league.
The fans want to win the league.
The Glazers want to make money.
 
Trizy said:
3 shite managers and...

Lindolf - failure
Darmian - failure
Mata - meh
Herrera - Good
Fellaini - failure
Shaw - failure
Bailey - Good
Ibrahimovic - Good
Pogba - Good
Rojo - Failure
Bastian - Failure
Blind - Failure
Di Maria - Failure
Mkhitaryan - Failure
Sanchez - Yet to prove anything
Fred - Yet to prove anything
Matic - Good.
Schneiderlin - Failure
Depay - Failure
Martial - Good
Romero - Good

£300m of failures (approx via. transferleague.co.uk) in 5 years.

Shocking amount of failures in 5 years. Not to mention we've spent loads of time trying to sign big named players who don't want to come to United.
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The one signing Moyes made, Fellaini, is not a failure. He is an extremely important player for us, to a point that Jose and LVG refused to let him leave, while playing him regularly.
Lindelof is not a failure. He is still with us and I am hopeful he will come good.
Bailey - same as Lindelof - hopefully he will come good.
Blind was "okay" while LVG was here, but Jose just didn't fancy him.
Martial was good in his first season, but after that he went downhill.
I'll agree with the rest, though.
 
André Dominguez said:
It's a cloudy landscape, but Jose is painting it like a tropical storm. The current team is not that bad and you can make an intensive fitness training scheme that can put the incoming WC players in minimal conditions to compete.
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You need to remember that Jose is a serial winner. It will be hurting him that he didn't win a trophy last year and given the way the transfer window is going, he is worried that he may go another season without a trophy.
The time to put pressure on the board, is now....not after the transfer window has closed and that is what Jose is doing.
 
sunama said:
That my friend is hitting the nail on the head.
If we don't get CL football, we miss out on a lot of money. Hence, it's worth spending £150M to get back into the CL.
But when you have a manager of the calibre of Jose, who can probably get top 4 with the existing squad, with a net spend of close to zero, why bother spending a penny?
This is a business and the aim is to keep spending low and revenues high. The result: big profit, which goes into the pockets of the shareholders (which includes the Glazers).

Jose wants to win the league.
The fans want to win the league.
The Glazers want to make money.
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That my friend is hitting the nail on the head.
Manchester United is a Cash Cow in the eyes of the Glazers and always will be.
And Woodwards obligation is to the Glazers and his job is to ensure that MUFC remain a cash cow, not to Mourinho or the fans.
For the Glazers and Woodward this club is nothing more than a means to an end. And that end is money.
 
sunama said:
That my friend is hitting the nail on the head.
If we don't get CL football, we miss out on a lot of money. Hence, it's worth spending £150M to get back into the CL.
But when you have a manager of the calibre of Jose, who can probably get top 4 with the existing squad, with a net spend of close to zero, why bother spending a penny?
This is a business and the aim is to keep spending low and revenues high. The result: big profit, which goes into the pockets of the shareholders (which includes the Glazers).

Jose wants to win the league.
The fans want to win the league.
The Glazers want to make money.
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I tend to agree with this.
 
sunama said:
That my friend is hitting the nail on the head.
If we don't get CL football, we miss out on a lot of money. Hence, it's worth spending £150M to get back into the CL.
But when you have a manager of the calibre of Jose, who can probably get top 4 with the existing squad, with a net spend of close to zero, why bother spending a penny?
This is a business and the aim is to keep spending low and revenues high. The result: big profit, which goes into the pockets of the shareholders (which includes the Glazers).

Jose wants to win the league.
The fans want to win the league.
The Glazers want to make money.
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The club has been giving around 25m dollars in dividends per year. That is around 3% of club's revenue which in this market buys yiu a Dalot, so your assumption is extremely wrong.

While obviously Glazers own United because of money (for what other reason they should own the club?), the plan all along has been to increase the club's value, not to pay heavy dividends. The club value has increased around 4-5 times since Glazers bought the club, and there is some correlation between club's value and how good the club does at footy. I don't buy for a minute that they aren't spending cause they want to get money from the club cause it just makes no sense financially and it isn't what has been happening so far.
 
Revan said:
The club has been giving around 25m dollars in dividends per year. That is around 3% of club's revenue which in this market buys yiu a Dalot, so your assumption is extremely wrong.

While obviously Glazers own United because of money (for what other reason they should own the club?), the plan all along has been to increase the club's value, not to pay heavy dividends. The club value has increased around 4-5 times since Glazers bought the club, and there is some correlation between club's value and how good the club does at footy. I don't buy for a minute that they aren't spending cause they want to get money from the club cause it just makes no sense financially and it isn't what has been happening so far.
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Facts don't matter for people like him/her.
 
There are quality players available to improve our CB, LB and RW positions.

If we can't get Sandro, then Tierney, Telles and Sessegnon are good options.

A CB like Koulibaly, Skriniar, Alderweireld, Bonucci and even Maguire could make our defense stronger.

Finally, Pulisic, William, Bailey, Dybala or Dembele would be the missing piece to change our attack.

If we could add 2 more players, who would you sign?
 
Fer said:
There are quality players available to improve our CB, LB and RW positions.

If we can't get Sandro, then Tierney, Telles and Sessegnon are good options.

A CB like Koulibaly, Skriniar, Alderweireld, Bonucci and even Maguire could make our defense stronger.

Finally, Pulisic, William, Bailey, Dybala or Dembele would be the missing piece to change our attack.

If we could add 2 more players, who would you sign?
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A lot of those players aren’t available. Sessegnon would cost a fortune and isn’t a LB anyways. Telles and Tierney would be realistic enough although again the latter would be costly. I’d take either though as Shaw is genuinely atrocious.

Bonucci was only every going to Juve as he doesn’t want to leave Italy. Koulibaly and Skriniar would demand record breaking fees, you have Levy to deal with to get Toby and Maguire again will be a record breaking fee for a very average player.

Pulisic is not even an upgrade on Lingard let alone the missing piece, Bailey is a left winger who struggles on the right, we need no more of that and Dybala and Dembele will not be sold by their clubs. Willian will cost £60-70m and is 29.
 
No quicker way to lose credibility in 2018 than labelling Sessegnon a left back.
 
Revan said:
The club has been giving around 25m dollars in dividends per year. That is around 3% of club's revenue which in this market buys yiu a Dalot, so your assumption is extremely wrong.

While obviously Glazers own United because of money (for what other reason they should own the club?), the plan all along has been to increase the club's value, not to pay heavy dividends. The club value has increased around 4-5 times since Glazers bought the club, and there is some correlation between club's value and how good the club does at footy. I don't buy for a minute that they aren't spending cause they want to get money from the club cause it just makes no sense financially and it isn't what has been happening so far.
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Don’t let logic get in the way of your inner muppet
 
Irish Jet said:
A lot of those players aren’t available. Sessegnon would cost a fortune and isn’t a LB anyways. Telles and Tierney would be realistic enough although again the latter would be costly. I’d take either though as Shaw is genuinely atrocious.

Bonucci was only every going to Juve as he doesn’t want to leave Italy. Koulibaly and Skriniar would demand record breaking fees, you have Levy to deal with to get Toby and Maguire again will be a record breaking fee for a very average player.

Pulisic is not even an upgrade on Lingard let alone the missing piece, Bailey is a left winger who struggles on the right, we need no more of that and Dybala and Dembele will not be sold by their clubs. Willian will cost £60-70m and is 29.
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Don’t forget there was already an €89m bid turned down for Koulibaly from an unnamed PL club. I suspect it was us as we also asked about Skriniar. We can only buy quality if their clubs are willing to sell.

Agree with your post btw. People have a very simplistic view of thinking we’re united and we can just buy anyone. Clearly we can’t
 
Irish Jet said:
A lot of those players aren’t available. Sessegnon would cost a fortune and isn’t a LB anyways. Telles and Tierney would be realistic enough although again the latter would be costly. I’d take either though as Shaw is genuinely atrocious.

Bonucci was only every going to Juve as he doesn’t want to leave Italy. Koulibaly and Skriniar would demand record breaking fees, you have Levy to deal with to get Toby and Maguire again will be a record breaking fee for a very average player.

Pulisic is not even an upgrade on Lingard let alone the missing piece, Bailey is a left winger who struggles on the right, we need no more of that and Dybala and Dembele will not be sold by their clubs. Willian will cost £60-70m and is 29.
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Excellent reply. The only reason we haven't signed players for those positions mentioned is because little options are realistic. Most of them would cost a fortune, aren't available or aren't that much better than what we have.
 
missed out on Mahrez, Malcolm, Yarmalenko Lemar who would have improved our starting 11 and none of them would have broke the bank, Tierney Telles even Bertrand would improve our starting 11 and give us more balance. CB wise Lenglet would have been an improvement, hard once barca was interested. realistically Toby as a leader is the only one who would help us, McGuire defence wise not really any better then what we have and still cant believe we were never in for Vrsaljko. quite simply this window is looking as bad as Moyes 1st transfer window.
 
One week left

Sell Martial and rojo
Sign Pulisic giroud and Mina

Would have a deeper and more balanced squad while still replacing Martials potential. Obviously it’s stuff of fantasy and that many signings won’t happen
 
SER19 said:
One week left

Sell Martial and rojo
Sign Pulisic giroud and Mina

Would have a deeper and more balanced squad while still replacing Martials potential. Obviously it’s stuff of fantasy and that many signings won’t happen
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You don't have very exciting fantasies
 
SER19 said:
One week left

Sell Martial and rojo
Sign Pulisic giroud and Mina

Would have a deeper and more balanced squad while still replacing Martials potential. Obviously it’s stuff of fantasy and that many signings won’t happen
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Giroud and Mina. lol
 
SER19 said:
One week left

Sell Martial and rojo
Sign Pulisic giroud and Mina

Would have a deeper and more balanced squad while still replacing Martials potential. Obviously it’s stuff of fantasy and that many signings won’t happen
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That is the stuff of nightmares. The kind of nightmares where you get slowly tortured and everyone you know and love dies.
 
SER19 said:
One week left

Sell Martial and rojo
Sign Pulisic giroud and Mina

Would have a deeper and more balanced squad while still replacing Martials potential. Obviously it’s stuff of fantasy and that many signings won’t happen
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Yuck. This sort of desperation to just have some transfers is so silly.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
You don't have very exciting fantasies
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Offside said:
Giroud and Mina. lol
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Irish Jet said:
That is the stuff of nightmares. The kind of nightmares where you get slowly tortured and everyone you know and love dies.
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Judas said:
Yuck. This sort of desperation to just have some transfers is so silly.
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:lol: I was trying to be realistic. Go bale, alderweireld and mandzukic then

I have no desperation for transfers but we seem keen to have a cb and I’d sooner sell Martial than have him moping around for a year. If he goes we have to replace him
 
Kovacic another player who doesn't want to join us citing our style of play!
 
christinaa said:
Kovacic another player who doesn't want to join us citing our style of play!
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Another one?
Following who exactly?

And that's if you even believe he really said that in the first place, which is super unlikely.
 
Sandikan said:
Another one?
Following who exactly?

And that's if you even believe he really said that in the first place, which is super unlikely.
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What about Bale / Ronaldo / Perisic / Maguire / Willian etc, to start with ??
If they really wanted to come they would have made it - but no they didn't!

And to top it all players wanting to leave - Martial / Darmian / Pogba / Smalling ? / Shaw ?

And how do you know that it's super unlikely that he said it?
Can you prove it?
 
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christinaa said:
What about Bale / Ronaldo / Perisic / Maguire / Willian etc, to start with ??
If they really wanted to come they would have made it - but no they didn't!

And to top it all players wanting to leave - Martial / Darmian / Pogba / Smalling ? / Shaw ?

And how do you know that it's super unlikely that he said it?
Can you prove it?
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Come on!

Does even one of those players possibly have an issue with our style of play, as opposed to any number of other issues?
 
christinaa said:
What about Bale / Ronaldo / Perisic / Maguire / Willian etc, to start with ??
If they really wanted to come they would have made it - but no they didn't!

And to top it all players wanting to leave - Martial / Darmian / Pogba / Smalling ? / Shaw ?

And how do you know that it's super unlikely that he said it?
Can you prove it?
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You referenced this player (without any quotes) as "citing our style of play" as the reason not to join us.

I asked for any examples of players who have actually done that. You have given none.
The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. You are making the claim. It's not for me to disprove they've said it.

You're then adding in pure speculation for others being linked with moves away, the Smalling one being made up by some reddit gimp.
Shaw and Martial have attitude problems (managers have stated this), and don't play every week. Darmian is In the cold. They are totally irrelevant.
 
christinaa said:
What about Bale / Ronaldo / Perisic / Maguire / Willian etc, to start with ??
If they really wanted to come they would have made it - but no they didn't!

And to top it all players wanting to leave - Martial / Darmian / Pogba / Smalling ? / Shaw ?

And how do you know that it's super unlikely that he said it?
Can you prove it?
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Such a drama queen!

You realise we can’t sign everyone... we were not in for Ronaldo, would not make financial sense for Utd, it does for Juventus as they are set up differently. I suspect that Maguire and Willian would jump at the chance to join Utd, but whether we want them at the fees rehired is another story.

Bale’s situation has changed dramatically since the CL final with Ronaldo and Zidane going - he could be the main man now, he’s going nowhere, he’s not turned us down.

Ref players who want to leave, where do I start!

Shaw has come out and said he wants to stay. Smalling is our first choice and best CB and going nowhere, Darmian is a reserve and him moving is no loss and the best thing for everyone, Pogba is not going anywhere - and the only player that wants to go is Martial, and quite frankly that’s no big issue.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
OP is proof that every year people get sucked into utter fantasy with no root in logic
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Wasn't it The Times who said that we want 6 players? Not the OP?

6 players?
We have Dalot (a 19 yr old rookie who will probably play for a youth team).
We have Fred (bought for the first team).
We have the 35 yr old GK, whose name I can't remember.

So, maybe we will sign 3 more...18 yr olds.
 
sunama said:
Wasn't it The Times who said that we want 6 players? Not the OP?

6 players?
We have Dalot (a 19 yr old rookie who will probably play for a youth team).
We have Fred (bought for the first team).
We have the 35 yr old GK, whose name I can't remember.

So, maybe we will sign 3 more...18 yr olds.
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I think Fellaini re-signing & not being able to shift Shaw has hit our transfer plans this summer.
 
sunama said:
Wasn't it The Times who said that we want 6 players? Not the OP?

6 players?
We have Dalot (a 19 yr old rookie who will probably play for a youth team).
We have Fred (bought for the first team).
We have the 35 yr old GK, whose name I can't remember.

So, maybe we will sign 3 more...18 yr olds.
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But op took it seriously ! As did everyone else incl me...
 
sunama said:
Wasn't it The Times who said that we want 6 players? Not the OP?

6 players?
We have Dalot (a 19 yr old rookie who will probably play for a youth team).
We have Fred (bought for the first team).
We have the 35 yr old GK, whose name I can't remember.

So, maybe we will sign 3 more...18 yr olds.
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It was Jose, after a game (possibly when we got knocked out of the CL but can't remember).
He said the team still needs 5 or 6 players if I remember rightly.
The caf took it as Jose definitely signing 6 new players. I thought it meant we'd at least have an interesting summer.
 
sunama said:
Wasn't it The Times who said that we want 6 players? Not the OP?

6 players?
We have Dalot (a 19 yr old rookie who will probably play for a youth team).
We have Fred (bought for the first team).
We have the 35 yr old GK, whose name I can't remember.

So, maybe we will sign 3 more...18 yr olds.
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In my fantasy world

Sell Pogba(if reports are true that he wants to join Barca) for 200mil //Martial for 80mil // Rojo for 25M// Smalling for 20 Mil // Shaw for 30 Mil // Herrera for 20 Mil // Mata for 20 Mil // Valencia for 10 Mil// Darmian for 25 Mil // Blind for 15 Mil ---

In total +445 Mil returns on sale


Sign

SMS for 90 Mil // Dembele for 90 Mil // Vidal for 20 Mil // Toby for 40 Mil // Sandro for 50 Mil and a quality RB for 50 Mil// Pulisic for 65 mil = -405 Mil and 70 mil already spent on Fred and Dalot !!!

-475 + 445 =-30 Mil for 2018

On a 30 mil budget, It would give us a good mix of young and experience plus a balanced squad may not sulk too much or think they are bigger than UTD

Next year replace Ashley with another left back and integrate Chong/Gomez/Mason into first team !!

FW= Lukaku / Rashford
LW =Alexis/lingard
AM = Fred/Fellaini
RW =Dembele/Pulisic
CM = Matic/SMS/Vidal/Perrera
LB= Sandro/Ashley
CD= Toby/Eric/Jones/Victor/ALexT
RB= New signing / DD
GK= DDG/ Romero
 
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sp_107 said:
In my fantasy world

Sell Pogba(if reports are true that he wants to join Barca) for 200mil //Martial for 80mil // Rojo for 25M// Smalling for 20 Mil // Shaw for 30 Mil // Herrera for 20 Mil // Mata for 20 Mil // Valencia for 10 Mil// Darmian for 25 Mil // Blind for 15 Mil ---

In total +445 Mil returns on sale


Sign

SMS for 90 Mil // Dembele for 90 Mil // Vidal for 20 Mil // Toby for 40 Mil // Sandro for 50 Mil and a quality RB for 50 Mil// Pulisic for 65 mil = -405 Mil and 70 mil already spent on Fred and Dalot !!!

-475 + 445 =-30 Mil for 2018

On a 30 mil budget, It would give us a good mix of young and experience plus a balanced squad may not sulk too much or think they are bigger than UTD

Next year replace Ashley with another left back and integrate Chong/Gomez/Mason into first team !!
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Thread over. All questions answered.
 
It's interesting how defensive people get at the suggestion some players might not like United's style of football bearing in mind half the fans hate it. Why wouldn't some of the best players in the world feel the same?

What makes some people heavily assume the likes of Willian would jump at the chance to sign and wouldn't have these reservations when the support are so heavily divided over the manager and the way the team are playing? Do players not see and feel the same things?
 
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