Righ.... but are we saying it was not a foul at all because its Evans who shouldnt be here?
If that happened on Martinez, im certain most would be shouting foul.
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If that happened on Martinez, im certain most would be shouting foul.
Martinez would have shrugged him off and went and got the block in.
Evans was fouled but he didn't have to stop and start waving his arms in the air
I'd of rather we chucked Casemiro back to CB and brought a midfielder on than Evans. Or even bring Regulion on and move Dalot infield.
He hasn't been a regular for Leicester for about 3 seasons. He wasn't exactly great in pre-season either.
He hasn't been a regular for Leicester for about 3 seasons. He wasn't exactly great in pre-season either.
Right, so thats what im getting at. Forget that it was Evans, who most are shitting on in this thread as not being good enough.
Thatsa whole different topic.
For that particular incident, im certain it was a foul and it seemed to be reviewed within seconds as nothing. Id love to know hear the VAR for that and how that was determined it was seen as no obstruction at all.
It was soft and it happens a lot in the box. Gabriel was clever because he falls over to cover what he was doing, it was a bit of dark arts that by the way Martinez himself has employed on opposition more than once.
It is rare that a goal is disallowed for something like that
Fair enough, we had bigger issues anyway like why were three players of theirs free at the back post. Why was Rice allowed to bring the ball down and take a shot. Why does that happen so often.
It looks like we zonal mark but dont actually have dominant people to go and attack the ball in certain spaces.
We lined up similar in the FACup for the winning goal. Thats defo a coaching issue in terms of set up; given the players we have.
The main issue was, both Evans and Maguire were busy appealing for a foul rather than closing Rice down, Evans did later react and got a deflection on the ball, he would have blocked the shot if he did not waste time.
As for Maguire I'll not even comment.
Arsenal were clever because they put 3/4 players back post but in a block so you could not man mark then they made runs when the ball was kicked.
We tended to deal with it well throughout the game with Lindelof and Martinez picking up the runs, Rice was clever this time he didn't run at all
This time both Maguire and Evans and also Dalot didn't do their jobs.
I am convinced we do not concede this goal without the defensive substitutions.
It's not his fault this club and a good chunk of its fanbase are in full nostalgia mode and live off the good old days. At least, he doesn't cost a fortune in wages, he doesn't demand playing time and he won't be giving an interview to Piers Morgan any time soon. That's progress, i guess. Who's the best candidate for "the throwback to the Fergie days" player next season? Hernandez at 36 as a back-up striker, maybe? Back from the US for a last dance? Or, perhaps United writing a wrong by bringing back our boy Danny Welbeck at 34? Smalling coming back to close his career at OT after capturing the hearts of the Italians?
Same. Third goal is nothing cos losing 2-1 and 3-1 doesnt matter at this stage, so im not too fussed about that.
The second is a killer. Dalot left the post right? Yeah, that didnt help Onana at all by that.
I think we as a team also lost concentration after Garnachos goal was chalked off. We were pushing Arsenal back, and from that moment, it felt like we gave up momentum and stopped getting the ball to Hoilund to hold it up.
In hindsight, him coming on yesterday in a critical big away match would have been like McShane coming on in previous years. We're just fecked in that position it seems.
From being a relative non-issue for large parts of last season, CB seems in needs of serious attention again.
From being a relative non-issue for large parts of last season, CB seems in needs of serious attention again.
Evans and Maguire the easy target as expected. How many wins now against top 12 opposition away from home?
Pretty much
Conflation
many other players are being criticised including Antony and Bruno, the manager is also being criticised.
Evans and Maguire were poor on the Rice goal, 2 things can be true at once
Evans was fouled and Maguire did feck all wrong. I blame Dalot and Onana way more to be honest.
He's pretty much the same player I always remembered here - weak and slow.
Maguire was fine on the Rice goal. That’s not on him at all and no one would be suggesting it was were it any other defender in his position. He’d have even blocked the shot but for Evans deflecting it past him.
Maguire didn't close Rice down he was busy appealing for a foul, Evans also, I already said Dalot was at fault too. Not really sure Onana can be blamed there I think that is harsh.
He did not go and close down Rice or even attempt to make a block, watch both Lindelof and Martinez first half, big difference
Its not fine for a CB to be calling for a foul and not playing to the whistle when the attacker has the ball in our box with tons of space
Aside from that I actually thought Maguire was fine
Maguire didn't close the part of goal which you expect to be covered either by the GK or the man on the line. The RB who should be either on the goal line or covering his post, was hiding behind him and the GK concedes a goal on the near post, how is it okey to blame it on Maguire bur harsh for the 55m GK we paid to improve us?
No I am saying Maguire and Evans did not go to close down Rice. Again watch Martinez and Lindelof throw themselves in front of shots first half
I don't blame a keeper when the shot took a deflection after being shot with that much power close to him. The shot was not going near post at first so he had to adjust
I've already said Dalot is at fault too
It amazes me that Rice can be free in the box from a corner with that much space to chest control bring the ball down and shoot, but we think the CBs are not at fault
Knew we'd concede the minute I saw him coming off the bench.
A signing this pathetic and desperate doesn't happen in a vacuum. It's a culmination of signing and hanging on to dross like Bailly, and the club not taking the U21's seriously.
We sold Mengi and Tuanzebe in the Summer, and i'd have preferred to take a chance on either of those two over signing Evans. I'd even have preferred us to have kept Phil Jones as desperate as that seems.
He was and still is one of the weakest and most puny CB's I've ever seen, even Arsenal's players were bullying him.
A signing this pathetic and desperate doesn't happen in a vacuum. It's a culmination of signing and hanging on to dross like Bailly, and the club not taking the U21's seriously.
We sold Mengi and Tuanzebe in the Summer, and i'd have preferred to take a chance on either of those two over signing Evans. I'd even have preferred us to have kept Phil Jones as desperate as that seems.
He was and still is one of the weakest and most puny CB's I've ever seen, even Arsenal's players were bullying him.
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I know he wasn't exactly great when he came on but it's very funny to see how the narrative changes (mainly from oppo fans)
At Utd under Fergie - Not good enough for Utd, should get rid.
Becomes a first team player for 5 years at Leicester - Solid defender. Utd could do with him and shouldn't have let him go. He's better than some of their CBs.
Comes back to Utd as 6th choice CB - Not good enough, why is he at Utd.
At Utd under Fergie - Not good enough for Utd, should get rid.
Becomes a first team player for 5 years at Leicester - Solid defender. Utd could do with him and shouldn't have let him go. He's better than some of their CBs.
Comes back to Utd as 6th choice CB - Not good enough, why is he at Utd.
That would be silly, seeing as Jones is physically incapable of playing top-level football at this point due to the extent of his injuries
I don't think people had huge issues with him during Fergie's years. His form fell off a cliff for us afterwards, though.
As for people wanting him back - yeah, some would have been happy to see him return, but not at this age and stage of career.
Not that I have any problems with bringing him in as a 6th choice CB. People are nitpicking but when you have to go so low in the pecking order, you'll have trouble, period.
Sign an ancient defender who was released by a relegated club. Such an astute move.
Yeah, honestly, it's exhausting to try and reason with that mentality. You just know if we hadn't signed him and we'd hit this injury crisis at the back you'd have people saying "Evans was available on a free, and yet here we are playing Casemiro at CB!".
He's backup to our backups, arguably we didn't even need anymore CBs when we signed him. And who else could we have signed instead that would be much better? It's not like we replaced Stam with Blanc here.
There is no way that this man is a better option than Eric Bailly. Not sure what happened with Bailly tbh. He started last preseason and was quite impressive, and then didn’t get to play anymore games and exiled since then. He gets to Rice quicker than Evans IMO.
Players who don't play tend to look better than those who do...
Would he have been a better option? Well, first of all, we know he's injury prone. What's the point of having a backup player when there's a decent chance he'll be injured when you need him?
Also, would he have been interested in saying on as a sixth choice?
He was on loan not exiled. As usual barely played.
ETH wants good personalities around the place and it seems Bailly isn't one given how little he gets picked by us or his loan club.
Plus the obvious injury problems.
Okay loaned, which I imagine was due to him not being considered, so same thing really.
I do wonder if there was any incident though. I’m aware of his issues, although he hasn’t been all bad. My thinking is if Ten Hag came in last summer with a clean slate mindset, I can’t imagine how Bailly’s early preseason performances warranted him being dismissed in the way he was after two games. I do recall he gave the ball away in one game which led to a goal, however, he was largely impressive. Bringing the ball forward from the back, creating chances, and defending well 1v1.
Unless there was a personal issue or he had demanded to leave, which if I recall from reports last summer was not his intention, I struggle to see why he couldn’t stay as an option. He’s a player who we know at least has the quality and can play against even top level opposition and has the athleticism and ball ability to do so on his day. I can’t see why we’d rather give him away for free rather than have him as a back up personally.
Because he's never fit. I don't think there's much mystery here. Rarely available and when he is he still plays like a rash 18 year old. Seems unable or unwilling to mature his game.
You may as well just go for a steady type as your 6th choice CB.
It was a huge mess of a goal all round, and some of the goals we've conceded this season have been criminal; I'm surprised at how little people have complained about the defence considering this is Redcafe
. The fact that Rice can take the ball down in our box, fire a pretty tame shot and get a goal was really irritating. Both Maguire and Dalot both move to the centre instead of going towards the man and it leaves a big gap on the right side of the goal (you're probably right that Dalot was more at fault). Maybe Onana could do better but i'm more angry at the defence for not closing down a player that had the time to take a touch and shoot.Scored against Slovenia. Yes NI have also conceded four.
Stick him up front.
He also scored an own goal in the game.
Burnley 0:1 Man Utd
Man of the match by an absolute mile.
MOTM today. I'd prefer him to partner varane if Martinez is still injured.
He was really really good actually. Did he just put Maguire even longer down the pecking order?
He was class today.
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