Oh it was you that bumped it. No surprise. You absolute fecking moron.
Jonny Evans | 2011/12 Performances
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Oh it was you that bumped it. No surprise. You absolute fecking moron.
You can't jump when a big daft lump is holding on to you, Evans took care of his man, it was Smallings feck-up, nobody else.
I knew some soft cnut would blame Evans for the goal.
The funny thing is, Smalling missed a near post header when we conceded in the Carling Cup, before Evans got beaten to the ball by his man. Nobody mentioned Smalling at the time. Funny that.
Cause Smalling has been outstanding, and he doesn't make mistakes
The funny thing is, Smalling missed a near post header when we conceded in the Carling Cup, before Evans got beaten to the ball by his man. Nobody mentioned Smalling at the time. Funny that.
Should he have headed the ball clear, yes or no?
Its mad in here tonight. Poor mods
Smalling should have put a foot in. He let the ball go past him. That much is certain.
I'd say anyone not blaming both of their sloppy arses on that second goal is a fecking idiot, poor stuff from both positionally, not concentrating.
What do you mean, should he?
Should Smalling have headed the ball clear when Palace scored their second? Well, yes, probably. The thing is, not every defender will win every near post header. That's why they have a partner to mop up behind them.
I swear Evans was tight to his man, not quite sure how else you'd want him to be positioned.
all you ever post in is either the Evans thread or the Fletcher thread to have a moan. Why dont you do us all a favour and jog on
Can't blame Evans today...
not his biggest fan, but Smalling was more of a factor in both goals and frankly Evans wasn't even close to being the worst player on the pitch today.
Young, Rooney, Park, even Evra all did very little to distinguish themselves.
not his biggest fan, but Smalling was more of a factor in both goals and frankly Evans wasn't even close to being the worst player on the pitch today.
Young, Rooney, Park, even Evra all did very little to distinguish themselves.
i thought distribution aside, Evans defended pretty well when he came on. His reading of the game at times was spot on.
The reason we lost this game is because we missed a multitude of chances
The reason we lost this game is because we missed a multitude of chances
Evans should have at least challenged for that header but he didnt even attempt to, he is too easy to out muscle. And it happens again and again. The ball was there to be one with a strong leap and correct timing, Evans didnt even consider this because he isnt capable.
They were both at fault for the goal but i defending Evans without acknowledging his flaws and mistakes is naive.
isn't capable?
feck off. seriously, feck off!
feck off. seriously, feck off!
To clarify i dont think the reason we lost the game is Evans fault, far from it, this was down to ferguson.
I would just like to see the best player in the most suited position. Ferguson trying to fit all 3 of them in shocker.
I would just like to see the best player in the most suited position. Ferguson trying to fit all 3 of them in shocker.
Its true, he isnt capable of being dominant in the air. Thats not his game.
This! I was pissed at him when the goal went in but I love the way he reads the game. I dont understand how no one notices this or at least seems not to. Evans simply isn't the full package right now and it shows. The biggest thing he's got for him is his reading of the game and he's usually decent with his distribution. That was terrible today.
I dont agree we missed a multitude of chances. We really struggled to create with all the possession we had. Crosses just seemed a tad bit too high. We were just lacking that precision and incisiveness to really make it count. Plus wayne had a terrible miss.
evans should have been stronger definitely , and smalling should have been anticipating the second ball. both a fault clearly.
I know it's a poor effort but I can't be arsed putting more working for you guys.
If Rio is fit, he will play. Smalling plays in right back cause he's the best one we have right now, and Evans is a better center back than Jones at the moment, so the selection makes sense, as far as the team is concerned. Whoever is the best out of the 3 will seize the CB spots once Rio and Vidic eventually leave.
IMO when vidic went off we should have moved Smalling to centre back with Rio, and Jones to right back, bringing on fletcher our only centre midfielder from the bench.
These are some of the quotes from early on in the thread. He had a bad season last season, yet the one prior and before he was getting rave reviews for his ability to slot in and perform very well, against the likes of Inter, Chelsea, and he featured with Vidic when we went on that long run without conceding a goal. He's had some hiccups last season, yet he's young and learning, and I think he has been very good this season. With Vidic out for a while, I think he has what it takes to establish himself this time, next to Smalling.
He was extremely disappointing basically the entire 2010 year. It started around January of the 09/10 season, and it continued through to around January 10/11. His form in the second half of last season was definitely an improvement over that period, albeit not to the level that he had shown before that.
It looks like he'll never reach the level it looked like he would when he was first breaking through, but he will be a good solid defender.
It looks like he'll never reach the level it looked like he would when he was first breaking through, but he will be a good solid defender.
imo he was at blame in basle's second goal and atm he s certainly not reliable as he was when he broke in the team.
The West Ham game last season was one of the worst ever displays by a united defender.
Having said that, a central defensive partnership needs a good run of games in order to perform well, and evans hasnt had that for a while..
That's a problem when you have two ageing centre halfs and injuries start to disrupt the cohesiveness of the defence.
And that's I will not be surprised if either vidic or rio leaves, come next summer
The West Ham game last season was one of the worst ever displays by a united defender.
Having said that, a central defensive partnership needs a good run of games in order to perform well, and evans hasnt had that for a while..
That's a problem when you have two ageing centre halfs and injuries start to disrupt the cohesiveness of the defence.
And that's I will not be surprised if either vidic or rio leaves, come next summer
That was Smalling's mistake, mate. You can't just stand and watch the ball like that, not attacking it, while letting an attacker slip in front of you to nod in, and blame it on the defender in front of you.
Vidic certainly won't be going anywhere.
However, if Smalling gets a good run at centreback for the rest of the season I wouldn't be surprised if he starts next season as Vida's first choice partner. Rio won't be sold either, he's too much of a leader amongst the team and good for morale to be allowed to go (unless he wants to go, which I can't see happening).
You have a point there - smalling does not attack the ball enough when defending - that's his biggest defect. Jones is much better in that aspect (and vidic is the best). Evans does attack the ball, but he mistimes it too much.
Anyway, from here till the end of the season, evans, jones and smalling will have plenty of opportunities to show if they are united material over the long term or not.
Agree with all of that. He'll be a regular in the centre of our defence while Vidic is out. It's no coincidence that Fergie recently handed him the captain's arm-band.
Yupp, I dont doubt that at all. I think that Rio and Smalling are too similar to play regularly at the center together. Evans has always been the one we've turned to when Vidic is out, so I have no doubt that he'll be the one to get most games out of Vidic's injury. Hopefully he'll step up and play as consistently well as we know he's capable of.
Evra was out of position so Rio tried to fill in at LB. He didnt do much to stop the cross. With no partner in the middle Evans simply had to win the ball, he had to take everything in that situation because you cant take a risk. And then when it went past him Smalling reacted slowly and was caught out. De Gea might have done more too. The whole defence could and probably should have done better on that goal but it started off with a fullback out of position yet again
Do you read similar comments regarding Barcelona's Pique, Busquets, Thiago and Pedro that they are young and learning? How often do you hear Mourinho mention Khedira and Özil's age? Young and learning is sometimes a excuse for a bad display. Evans isn't young any longer and the learning phase should be over after more then 160 completive games at highest level.
I can accept that in some games he's nervous and lose his concentration but not in more or less every game. Evans need to put his act together, sooner or later the train has left the station.
Despite their status, surely they still have plenty to learn at their age? Controversially, I think that all of the players you mentioned plays in a less competetive league, which makes it easier for them to get as much gametime as they currently are. Obviously these players are amazing talents, and would get plenty of gametime in the Premier League aswell, but do we really expect every player to have learned every aspect of the game simply because other young players have a higher status?
Yes, Evans should've been able to have gained alot of experience after all of his matches for us so far, and surely he's developed well over the years aswell. However, the longer he stays with us, the higher expectations he will have to burden. If someone like Smalling, who came from 1 season with Fulham, put in appearances like Evans then we'd hail him as a great talent and put it down to inexperience, right? Evans have obviously more experience then Smalling, but he's still a young defender who've had to compete against Ferdinand, Vidic and Evra for a position in the team which means that he's time in the team will be limited. 160 games means that he should've gained a certain amount of experience, but I wonder how many games he've played in a row out of those 160. I can remember one or two periods of time where he was able to get a run in the team, and looked very good.
Do you not think that the players currently in line to replace Pique and the likes will be excused by being 'young and learning' ? Pique suffered the same faith as Evans, and that was the fact that he was never going to replace our current centerback duo. Evans would surely have developed more as a defender if he was able to play week in and week out for another team, but he got something that alot of people on this forum seems to be lacking; Patience. He's obviously been told that we're willing to have faith in him, and he's in no rush to leave the club as he can develop while learning from two of the best defenders in this era. So to conclude, I think it's silly to say that a 23 year old competing with Vidic and Ferdinand for a spot in the team should not 'still be learning' after 160 matches. It's much more to it then to simply look at the amount of appearances to say when a youngster should 'have nothing left to learn'.
I've mentioned it before, but Evans' problem (like Carrick) is that his mistakes seem to always happen at the worst possible time or in a bad area of the field. Other players make just as many mistakes, but they tend not to hurt us at much.
It's always hard to compare if only because the young lads you mention are playing for teams that are simply better right now, which would always make it easier for any younger player.
But we should also remember that we've got hunderds or thousands here who look into every United match with a fine tooth comb. We don't do the same for other clubs, let alone in Spain.
Because they realise concentration is vital in your own last third, or they play in a more advanced position where mistakes can be rectified and they are bound to lose the ball sometimes.
You cant really get away with being error prone in central defence
Yep.
Part of the problem for Carrick I think is that if one of our other midfielders gives it away he'll often be there to sweep it up (or his speciality - slow down their attack long enough that our other players get into position), but if he gives it away there's no-one there to stop it before it gets to our defence.
Evans is more of a concentration thing I think. He tends to make one or two silly mistakes every match, and they have a relatively high chance of really being punished.
Part of the problem for Carrick I think is that if one of our other midfielders gives it away he'll often be there to sweep it up (or his speciality - slow down their attack long enough that our other players get into position), but if he gives it away there's no-one there to stop it before it gets to our defence.
Evans is more of a concentration thing I think. He tends to make one or two silly mistakes every match, and they have a relatively high chance of really being punished.
Nah I'd say Evans is much more similar to Rio than Smalling, Smalling is much more aerially dominant than people give him credit for. Evans like Rio prefers to read the game, thats why for me they play well together as the prefer to lie deeper than say the likes of Jones, both of them can mix it up and go tight with the forward but neither are as physically dominant as Smalling or Vidic.
Evans is going to play a huge amount of games this season, and will be pretty much one of the two central defenders every game. Watch and see how much he comes on in this time if given the chance. People here do expect too much, and a lot probably don't like him because he's not called Juan Evanio and he didn't cost 20million.
What a stupid comment. United is club with a multi cultural fan base and players and staff from all the world. It was a long time ago since ethnicity and personal background was an issue for those involved, maybe you should accept this and move on.
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