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Jonny Evans | 2011/12 Performances
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No he doesn't. It is possible to keep the scoreline at a respectable level even with a man down. The team played spastically after the send off, hence the 5 goals conceded.
Evans HAS to take the blame, no doubt. Had he been on the pitch we probably would've got back into the game.
Evans let his team down big time with a bit of stupidity.
When I saw that Evans was starting I was nervous even though he has played well in big games before.
In all honesty (I felt this way BEFORE the City bebacle) Evans is not ready to play big games for United, yet.
He has lapses in concentration and often panics. Add to that his passing is and has never been good and he just isn't good on the ball. Also, he is not that strong, not that tall, and not that fast.
Lapses in concentration will happen. Even when Jones and Smalling feck up I don't really care because they show so much potentially in other areas of their game.
Smalling and Jones are both physical beasts, both great with the ball at their feet, and generally are more decisive on the pitch.
I like Evans and think he will be a good defender but I also think his level will be around the John Oshea level without the physical attributes (Strong, tall) and without the versatility.
I hope I am wrong and this is not a knee-jerk. Been thinking this for a while now.
In all honesty (I felt this way BEFORE the City bebacle) Evans is not ready to play big games for United, yet.
He has lapses in concentration and often panics. Add to that his passing is and has never been good and he just isn't good on the ball. Also, he is not that strong, not that tall, and not that fast.
Lapses in concentration will happen. Even when Jones and Smalling feck up I don't really care because they show so much potentially in other areas of their game.
Smalling and Jones are both physical beasts, both great with the ball at their feet, and generally are more decisive on the pitch.
I like Evans and think he will be a good defender but I also think his level will be around the John Oshea level without the physical attributes (Strong, tall) and without the versatility.
I hope I am wrong and this is not a knee-jerk. Been thinking this for a while now.
So do we already know what he was acutally trying to do when letting Balotelli walk past him with ease?
Still pissed off...
Still pissed off...
This is nonsense. He's very good with the ball, and his passing is excellent for a defender. Sometimes he passes amazing diagonals.
Really though, if I were Evans I'd be slightly alarmed at the arrival of Jones and Smalling, in my position, over the last 12 months. You'd think that'd be enough to focus his mind, wouldn't you? Needs to sort it...
Evans is decent but he's the weakest of all our CBs . The reason behind choosing him over the others in such an important game baffles me to be honest.
His school boy's mistake had and should be highlighted as one of the main reasons that we lost. However there were are other reasons too. One can't forget the horrible display given by our CMs and the fact that the team went in panic mode and allowed Shitty to do what they wanted.
His school boy's mistake had and should be highlighted as one of the main reasons that we lost. However there were are other reasons too. One can't forget the horrible display given by our CMs and the fact that the team went in panic mode and allowed Shitty to do what they wanted.
The first goal was a montage of mistakes, so much was wrong with it to simply blame Evans is a cop out. Rio should have done better for example.
Theres so many things wrong with this post I dont know where to start!
First off, not ready to play big games? I'd suggest you go back and look at the records in the big games that he has actually played in.
Secondly, not that good at passing? Christ, did you even watch the match? I think he gave the ball away once. I dont know where this has come from, but im reading it more, and im thinking do these people actually have eyes of their own, or are they taking some other muppets word as gospel?
Let's not over do the focus thing. He is vulnerable physically. Ever since that period where teams began to target him with the long ball, he has looked much more prone to mistakes.
He was fine on Sunday till that incident which only came about because he'd switched off... He's been very good all season too - for me, it really is just a concentration issue. He's always been able to read the game beautifully for a young defender and that's helped him compensate for any other shortcomings. Problem is if he switches off he's in real trouble, as we saw on Sunday...
A few of you had hissy fits when I said that I thought Evans isn't United quality back in August.
He isn't. I'd rather we kept Wes Brown or John O'Shea to be quite honest.
He has no strength, looks nervous when he plays and doesn't have the quality that the other United central defenders have. I've seen him struggle with so many long ball situations over the years too, that's one of the first things a good centre back should be able to deal with.
I never join the anti-Berbatov / anti-Carrick brigade at the Caf because both are very good players in my opinion. I'm excited by Jones and Smalling as our future centre back pairing with Rafael and Fabio playing as right and left backs.
Evans will make a fine Premier League player at a Newcastle or Everton. He's just not a Manchester United player in my honest opinion.
That's like saying "Vidic is a mistake waiting to happen" a few months ago and then bringing it back up after his sending off last week. Whoopity fecking doo, all defenders make mistakes, and Evans hasn't been the only one of our defenders doing it this season. Jones, Rio and Evra have all made daft decisions and been at fault for goals this year too.
Because everyone is so skeptical of Evans, and the fact that he made the mistake in such a big game, people will now entirely ignore the fact that he's been our best fecking defender so far this season and focus on the negativity instead and go "I told you so".
It was daft, but Vidic and Ferdinand have both done things just as stupid in years gone by, and they are 2 of the worlds finest defenders. In fact I'd say Rio was even more prone to silly things at Evans age than Evans himself is.
Embarrassing on here at times. He's the scapegoat for our defensive problems this year despite contributing feck all to them overall.
Because everyone is so skeptical of Evans, and the fact that he made the mistake in such a big game, people will now entirely ignore the fact that he's been our best fecking defender so far this season and focus on the negativity instead and go "I told you so".
It was daft, but Vidic and Ferdinand have both done things just as stupid in years gone by, and they are 2 of the worlds finest defenders. In fact I'd say Rio was even more prone to silly things at Evans age than Evans himself is.
Embarrassing on here at times. He's the scapegoat for our defensive problems this year despite contributing feck all to them overall.
I like how RedDevilCanuck said when Jones and Smalling feck up (which has been pretty often, mind you), he doesn't care. That's the logic of the anti-Evans brigade. Wow.
It is one of the dumbest posts I've seen here in recent times.
I don't think he's the scapegoat for United's frailties at all.
Vidic has made errors, yes. But ask any opposing supporter who they'd rather in their team; Nemanja or Jonny?
I don't think he's good enough for Manchester United. But there are many others who do think he has a bright future at United and I respect that. The forum would be boring if we all agreed on everything. And let's not get like RAWK - if someone disagrees with you or thinks that a specific United player isn't good enough, don't lambast them for it. It's their opinion.
(For example, I happen to think Carrick is an excellent midfielder but there are many that think otherwise. But it's their opinion, and I respect that.)
He has been out of form for a long time now. A few decent games inbetween doesn't make up for it. Remember West Ham last year in the carling cup?
Jonny Evans is clearly good enough to be a part of Uniteds squad, and clearly mature enough to fill in when needed. Also in the big games, he's shown himself to have something of a big game temperament in the past.
I still don't think it's beyond him to become the main stalwarth of this United defence. He's been largely excellent this season, by far the best of our CBs, and he's made the fewest mistake by far of any of them. His passing has been excellent, really stepped up that part of his game, and physically he copes better.
He made a really high profile mistake against City, and that's a shame as it'll set his confidence back, but come on. Jones has made numerous mistakes this season, which is to be expected, but Evans has really been better. I think people have decided he's not good enough due to his sub-par last season, which wasn't really THAT bad from january onwards. He was excellent against Liverpool in the FA cup for instance.
A few injuries, some confidence issues, and the mere fact that young players have different learning trajectories. Luckily I think SAF trusts Jonny, and will continue to let him have chances.
I mean ffs, even Rio Ferdinand was prone to mistakes until he became the best CB in the world. Look at a player like David Luiz. Evans is twice the defender Luiz is, yet the brazilian gets plaudits for being a good ball player and contributing offensively. Well, I'd rather want Evans as my CB any day of the week. At least he won't go walkabout every other attack, or rush out of position trying to kick someone from behind. Yet no one seems to suggest Chelsea should flog Luiz.
I'm still thinking Evans will prove his doubters wrong.
I still don't think it's beyond him to become the main stalwarth of this United defence. He's been largely excellent this season, by far the best of our CBs, and he's made the fewest mistake by far of any of them. His passing has been excellent, really stepped up that part of his game, and physically he copes better.
He made a really high profile mistake against City, and that's a shame as it'll set his confidence back, but come on. Jones has made numerous mistakes this season, which is to be expected, but Evans has really been better. I think people have decided he's not good enough due to his sub-par last season, which wasn't really THAT bad from january onwards. He was excellent against Liverpool in the FA cup for instance.
A few injuries, some confidence issues, and the mere fact that young players have different learning trajectories. Luckily I think SAF trusts Jonny, and will continue to let him have chances.
I mean ffs, even Rio Ferdinand was prone to mistakes until he became the best CB in the world. Look at a player like David Luiz. Evans is twice the defender Luiz is, yet the brazilian gets plaudits for being a good ball player and contributing offensively. Well, I'd rather want Evans as my CB any day of the week. At least he won't go walkabout every other attack, or rush out of position trying to kick someone from behind. Yet no one seems to suggest Chelsea should flog Luiz.
I'm still thinking Evans will prove his doubters wrong.
Yep that's a pretty silly thing to say. But don't generalise people because they have a different opinion to yours. If someone came in and bought Evans in January, I wouldn't lose sleep over it. If another club tapped up Smalling or Jones and took them away though, I'd be gutted.
I hope you're right mate.
Out of form? Have you not been watching any games this season? Our best defensive displays have come when he's been on the pitch.
Look, this is getting out of hand. I mean, against Spurs he basically held our defence together on his own, being the only one who did his defensive duties. Where do people get shit like this from?
Okay, we get it, he made a mistake against City. But that doesn't mean he's to blame for Young and Nani switching off defensively, our central midfield not at all doing their job, us not really having a central midfield in 30 mins(thanks Fergie), or that oily face of his... actually, that last part, I'll blame him for.
Okay, we get it, he made a mistake against City. But that doesn't mean he's to blame for Young and Nani switching off defensively, our central midfield not at all doing their job, us not really having a central midfield in 30 mins(thanks Fergie), or that oily face of his... actually, that last part, I'll blame him for.
Yeah people are going over the top.
He's been quite good all season.
He's been quite good all season.
I've just noticed that a few of you peeps praising Jonny Evans are folk from Northern Ireland - I hope you're not letting that cloud your judgement?
Serious question for the Evans fanatics: Do you class him as a first choice centre back? Or is Rio and Vidic still your preferred pairing when everyone is fit/not suspended?
Serious question for the Evans fanatics: Do you class him as a first choice centre back? Or is Rio and Vidic still your preferred pairing when everyone is fit/not suspended?
I'm Norwegian, and not particularly fond of oily-faced defenders who get themselves sent off in 1-6 drubbings against City.
If you're looking for agendas, I think you have to visit the Berbathread or something. My opinion is based on what my eyes tell me, and backed up by stats.
Evans has simply been the only defender carrying out basic defensive duties consistantly this season.
"Oily faced" ?
Can someone explain
Can someone explain
I can explain.
He appears to have an incredibly oily face. I.E, his face looks like it is full of oil.
Now admit it you're overreacting and he's really the new Heskey(that means he'll also be the new Beckenbauer then).
He appears to have an incredibly oily face. I.E, his face looks like it is full of oil.
Now admit it you're overreacting and he's really the new Heskey(that means he'll also be the new Beckenbauer then).
I'm from New York mate, there's an Irish pub some blocks away, but that's all that's linking me to Evans at the moment
Seriously though, when all defenders are fit, Vidic Rio is my first choice pairing. I do rate him enough that when he starts games, I'm not bothered at all. Same for Smalling as well. Jones... a bit too adventurous for my liking. They're all young and developing though, plenty of room for improvement. Assuming Rio never recovers from his back troubles, there's plenty of room for Vidic, Smalling, Evans and Jones at United.
I'm not critizing Evans purely because of his mistake in the City match, all defenders make an error at some point in their career.
I was saying the same way before the derby but I've aired my views and will move along
Nah, couldnt give a shite where he's from. I'm a Man Utd fan first and foremost, (although it probably does paint a better picture for me seeing him play for his country also). I'll call it as i see it. Last season he was brutal and this season he's almost back to his best. Before the weekend the general consensus on here (check this thread) was that he's been our best defender this season, and now following one mistake everyones sticking the knife in on him. Its daft.
To answer the second part, i wouldn't at all consider him first choice centre back, but i understand him starting at the weekend and a run of games when he's playing well and others around him aren't.
I'm not critizing Evans purely because of his mistake in the City match, all defenders make an error at some point in their career.
I was saying the same way before the derby but I've aired my views and will move along
But seriously mate, can you point out the mistakes he has done previously in the seasons? Because all I can remember is a player shouting at his teammates and keeping them in position, at least the defenders, when our midfield was too open in the first matches. A player who staistically, and IMO objevtively, has distributed the best out of all our CBs this season, and a player who quite clearly has improved in the physical stakes(I.E. battle against Davies this season).
That's more than can be said of for example Rio this season(all over the shop against Basel, not leading our defence at all), Smalling(positionally all over the shop, particularly against City) and Jones(had a mare against Chelsea at times.)
He has quite comfortably been our best defender this season. 1 mistake doesnt change that.
Jones should have tracked Aguerro run better but lets get things into perspective Jones is a 19yr old with phenomenal potential the other is a world class player on top form and perhaps second to Messi in the Argentinian squad in terms of talent. Getting beat by that class of players is no shame.
Our defence has been rubbish this season due to injuries and chopping and changing. Saying he's been the best of an average bunch doesn't stick. He played well at Liverpool i thought but then he was dodgy against Norwich, Chelsea and Arsenal. Like i say it's not only him. Rio has been an embarrassment since his comeback and Jones is inexperienced so mistakes are likely to occur with him in the centre. Smalling and Vidic should get a mini run and see how they get on. It cannot get much worse anyway that's for sure.
There's no denying the fact that our defence has been poor this season. but the way posters are going on in this thread, you'd think evans has been the worst and not the best of the lot and has been responsible for our problems.
As things stand, vida needs to be back at his best. we need him. partnering him has to be one of evans and smalling. i wouldnt mind either ways but i do think smalling would complement him better.
When Vidic plays the defence is steady at least, no matter who plays alongside Vidic they always play a better game but when Vidic isn't there we're always under the pump.
It won't get much better if not our CM is told to actually do their job without the ball, and offer some protection in front of the CBs, and our fullbacks are told to attack when it's actually on, and not necesarilly both at a time, while we simultaneously are in the process of losing the ball and comitting men forward.
There's been a lack of perspective in this thread concerning Evans, to be fair.
Evans needs to learn to concentrate througout the game. The lack of concentration is what catches him out and he does stupid things like that against City.
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