No I think a defender is generally at his best age 28ish but with Jones and Smalling you can already see are going to superb defenders. Evans for me is lacking in strength, especially in the air and currently concentration (this may get better with age).
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No I think a defender is generally at his best age 28ish but with Jones and Smalling you can already see are going to superb defenders. Evans for me is lacking in strength, especially in the air and currently concentration (this may get better with age).
He was fairly good. A couple of daft moments but generally good. Needs to cut those out if he wants to become a top centre half.
Not sure what match some people watched but Evans was woeful in the second half.
Luckily Vidic was fantastic today as he did not get the support from Evans he wanted and became angry with him towards the end of the match.
Sometimes he just does not engage his brain. It is baffling for a player who is one of our more experienced defenders now.
Luckily Vidic was fantastic today as he did not get the support from Evans he wanted and became angry with him towards the end of the match.
Sometimes he just does not engage his brain. It is baffling for a player who is one of our more experienced defenders now.
He's 23, a good 3-4 years off his best.
I am aware he is 23 but he is one of our most experienced defenders.
In my honest opinion, Jones and Smalling look way ahead of him in almost every aspect of his game.
No his tactical awareness and ability to read the game is much better than Jones' and slightly better than Smalling's, physically however they are much better than him. All three have a tendency to over play it at the back though, they will learn with time.
I think Smalling has a far better football brain than Evans and is far superior in the air.
Both Jones and Smalling are better with the ball too.
Evans seems to have a decent awareness but often looks frail and indecisive.
I would sooner have Smalling/Rio - Vidic in the middle.
Disagree with that Smalling is a much more complete package but Evans reads the game better the difference being Smalling can use his physical advantage to make up for errors, Evans has also been one of our best passers this season he was 43/47 today whilst Jones was 33/44 for instance. You can't really compare or discuss tactical awareness though, it's all a matter of opinion and interpretation.
The issue with Evans is he continually makes errors. Today he may have had a decent pass percentage but his performance was littered with silly mistakes that you simply can't afford to make.
Evans is 6'2" and should not be allowing himself to be bullied and constantly beaten in the air. If he was a technical gem, you could somewhat forgive that, but when you are also failing to play a 2 yard pass to a team mate, I think it becomes an issue.
What 2 yard pass was that? Two of the passes that were unsuccessful were long passes and the one of the other two was him playing that silly pass to Rodwell when he just should of cleared it. He was guilty of overplaying it but at 23 that doesn't surprise me, he will learn, if he's still doing the same at 25-26 then it becomes an issue. 6'2" is hardly a giant is it, I'm the same height but I'm crap at heading, Jonny like me isn't blessed with a great leap but he is blessed with a good brain for instance when the ball was played diagonally to Fellaini and he leant into him a bit to stop Fellaini getting the ball. That was smart mature defending. He is also pretty good technically, if I asked you for instance what is his preferred foot I don't think you could give me a definite answer.
Really.....
Yes really, thats the difference between good defenders and average ones.
What the point of being good for most of the game and then having a spastic moment which could mean conceding a goal.
And dont play stupid yes good defenders will make such mistakes but not in almost every game.
Why is he overplaying it so often though when he now has a hell of a lot of experience?
That typical Evans clumsiness came in again on the touchline after dispossessing someone with Evra, tapped the ball into the path of Baines (I think) who ran straight into the open space allowing Rodwell to force a save from DDG.
My issue is this kind of thing creeps into his game more and more and at times costs us.
Is that the first half because if so that was Evra's fault for a cack pass, Evans busted a gut to try and block the shot whilst Evra jogged back, however it's only natural we criticise Evans for it. He's not even that experienced for me, he's experienced relative to the other centre-halves but he's still a baby really.
I go with this!
Give the man some backing, we will need him at his best when we have injuries and Rio is struggling with his form.
The difference is in the ones we notice
I think people are less forgiving of Evans when he makes mistakes than they are of Jones or Smalling because they're just so much more composed on the ball than he is.
Then on the other side of the coin you have his supporters who cite the occasional 50 yard Scholes-esque pass as an example of his great passing or technique when he constantly gets the simple things wrong.
I don't dislike him like some people on here do but I just think Smalling and Jones are genuinely the better talents and would rather they start at CB ahead of him. There's certainly room at the club for him though, but I don't see it as a regular starter.
Then on the other side of the coin you have his supporters who cite the occasional 50 yard Scholes-esque pass as an example of his great passing or technique when he constantly gets the simple things wrong.
I don't dislike him like some people on here do but I just think Smalling and Jones are genuinely the better talents and would rather they start at CB ahead of him. There's certainly room at the club for him though, but I don't see it as a regular starter.
Nope, that was another one.
This one rather than clear the ball he decided to tap it into the path of Baines
I think I already outlined that one if you read my posts.
He was pretty good today to be fair. had a bit of a spastic moment with the pass which led to rodwell's shot but he really thought evra was there rather than behind him. happens. overall, a really good game and glad to see him recover from his error the last game. that shows mental strength. starting ahead of Rio must have been a massive boost to him.
some here tend to forget he's just 24. He'l be a top player if he puts his head down and works hard.
some here tend to forget he's just 24. He'l be a top player if he puts his head down and works hard.
I am not trying to be unnecessarily critical of Jonny, but at times he needs a rocket up his arse.
It is okay harping on about his age, but he should be mature enough to stop making some of the silly little mistakes he does. Vidic was furious with him a few times today and rightly so.
It is okay harping on about his age, but he should be mature enough to stop making some of the silly little mistakes he does. Vidic was furious with him a few times today and rightly so.
Average ability, good reader of game, but prone to errors. I'd say he is backup quality for us. Nothing more, nothing less.
he was okay today, a couple of mistakes that went unpunished though...a thin line between success and failure for a defender..
a good poster doesn't have spastic moments
the problem is, like scapegoats before him, Fletcher, O'Shea, Gibson, the focus is now on from some fans and every simple thing will be overblown
the issue with that is, if he were to leave, the same people would then another scapegoat
the issue with that is, if he were to leave, the same people would then another scapegoat
His problem seems to be his strenghts and focus.
He had some spastic moments that cost us, and that happens when he is without confidence. On confidence, he's done very well tbf
He had some spastic moments that cost us, and that happens when he is without confidence. On confidence, he's done very well tbf
I still have the feeling that Evans will go on to be one of our first choice centre halves for years. Yes he does make some errors, but so does Vidic and Rio even in their prime. They do happen from time to time even with the very best.
Someone said Top defenders don't have spastic moments well, that is the most retarded comment I think this forum has ever had and I've had 7000 odd posts.
Someone said Top defenders don't have spastic moments well, that is the most retarded comment I think this forum has ever had and I've had 7000 odd posts.
I never saw the derby game due to work but I understand he had a bit of a nightmare, but I really still can not understand the stick he gets, he has just entered his 4th season with the team and is still very young. In the first two seasons he been callled one of the best young defenders in the world and was putting in fantastic performances for us and was playing through injury some of the time. Now his 3rd season was a struggle he wasn't playing so much and clearly struggled for form came back this season became a regular again and you could probably argue a case for him been our best defender this season. So for a 23 year old centre half at possibly the worlds biggest clubs I would say he is having a very good career but think it's come to a point where quite a lot of United fans on here actually WANT him to fail.
They are clearly forgetting someone of the spastic moments Nemanja Vidic has had, and he has been one of the worlds best over the last 5 years
I've said something similar in the Welbeck thread. Its mental.
The one thing that shocks me is all these people telling me Evans isn't composed on the ball, listing it as a reason Smalling and Jones should be ahead of him. That's a load of crap, he's been our best ball playing CB all season!
He makes fewer positional mistakes than both Smalling and Jones, although I do feel Smalling is on a similar level to Evans as a CB. Jones isn't as of now. Also, Evans is a much better passer than Smalling, so I guess I'd agree with Fergie starting Evans as the CB.
Especially when Rio's gone spastic and Smalling's injured.
The guy who said "a good defender doesn't have spastic moments". A: How many spastic moments have Evans had this season? B: How many spastic moments have Rio, Evra, Vidic, Smalling and Jones had this season? Aren't Rio, Vidic and Evra considered "good defenders"?
People are on his back because the pundits are telling us he's playing badly, and they are telling us this based on lazy punditry, which comes from some poor matches last season.
He was an integral part in restricting Everton to about 2 good opportunities at their own turf, in a match where we basically conceeded the midfield for the duration of the second half. It was a good performance, he was one of our best players ffs! Stop twisting reality because of one misunderstanding with Evra.
He makes fewer positional mistakes than both Smalling and Jones, although I do feel Smalling is on a similar level to Evans as a CB. Jones isn't as of now. Also, Evans is a much better passer than Smalling, so I guess I'd agree with Fergie starting Evans as the CB.
Especially when Rio's gone spastic and Smalling's injured.
The guy who said "a good defender doesn't have spastic moments". A: How many spastic moments have Evans had this season? B: How many spastic moments have Rio, Evra, Vidic, Smalling and Jones had this season? Aren't Rio, Vidic and Evra considered "good defenders"?
People are on his back because the pundits are telling us he's playing badly, and they are telling us this based on lazy punditry, which comes from some poor matches last season.
He was an integral part in restricting Everton to about 2 good opportunities at their own turf, in a match where we basically conceeded the midfield for the duration of the second half. It was a good performance, he was one of our best players ffs! Stop twisting reality because of one misunderstanding with Evra.
Evans seems to have the Carrick disease (as well as looking the same as him).
They both don't make many mistakes, but when they do it almost always seems to be in the worst possible way. Evans probably has a higher pass percentage than Smalling and Jones, but pretty much once a match he'll give it straight to an opposing player who is in a great position to really (wait for it) attack the space.
Whereas the other two will give the ball away more often, but invariably it tends to be when we have players capable of covering for it.
I had a hunch just now, when reading his comments about Sir Alex, that he must be nearing triple figures. I checked and, funnily enough, tomorrow could well be his 100th appearance for Manchester United.
He's the first academy graduate to manage that since Fletcher over five years ago. It might be nice if people on here were to take a day off from scapegoating him and revel in what a great moment that is for both player and club.
He's the first academy graduate to manage that since Fletcher over five years ago. It might be nice if people on here were to take a day off from scapegoating him and revel in what a great moment that is for both player and club.
Don't be silly
Always and I mean always good for an opposition goal.
The goal-scorer was offside. Are you fecking blind?
Burrrrrrrnnnnn himmmmm!!!!!!
As Dwight just said fecking basics deal with it and then ask questions. The lad is shit in the air and nothing like good enough.
He's been absolutely shite tonight!
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