Jonny Evans | 2011/12 Performances

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Instant Karma said:
For the past several years, I have always said that Evans is overrated and Pique was the better defender... its becoming blatantly apparent now.
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there is no doubt that Pique came into his own when he went back to his roots, and bringing through a fairly local (NI) player is always a better option.
Evans I'm sure will find that today is the turning point in his career.
 
lacks confidence, the ball is like a hot potato at his feet. Panic sets in and thats when mistakes happen....
 
Instant Karma said:
For the past several years, I have always said that Evans is overrated and Pique was the better defender... its becoming blatantly apparent now.
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Why do people keep repeating this? At no point did Ferguson sit down and say "I'll keep one and let one go. I chose Jonny Evans, so get to feck Pique!".
 
Evans is not the right player to pair with Rio. Both are relatively slow and clumsy, and would be vulnerable against quick skillful forwards. IMO would be better to pair players like Vidic with Evans, or maybe even Smalling.

The foul was instinctive, but that being said it was his lack of awareness that got him into trouble. He should have been first to that ball every time.
 
he cost us the 2nd half with that red card.....bloody idiot.
 
I think Evans is going to be out of the squad more often than he will be in it from here on out. He may get a few games here and there, or come on in an injury crisis, but I don't expect to see too much more of him in the big games.
 
People defend Evans but the truth is while he remains in the center of defense we will always gift opposition sides at least one or two good scoring opportunities a game. He's not physically strong enough against good strikers and that's been identified and exposed multiple times in the last few years.

The sooner Jones and Smalling cement themselves as first choice the better. For now we have to endure Evans because Rio and Vidic both seem to get their fair share of injuries (or suspensions in the case of Vida) these days.
 
I think physical strikers per se aren't the problem - they were last season when he went through his shit period, but they aren't now. The problem is he snaps out of games once or twice a match, and yesterday it cost us big time.

He's actually had a good season thus far, and at times he's been the only one holding our inexperienced defence together while Jones, Smalling, Evra and bizarelly Rio has gone mad. But it's just inexcusable to make the kind of mistakes he did for the first goal and the sending off - he should know what to do in those kind of situations, but a lack of concentration cost us dearly.
 
He's already given away two penalties this season...now perhaps that's just over commitment or maybe he's nervous. I personally don't feel he's taken that much of a step forward -- it's simply a case of SAF not completely trusting Jones and Smalling in the big games and Rio and Vida being a little too long in the tooth against pacy players.

Hopefully end of this season will see Jones cement his position and get the experience required to keep that centreback spot cause I'm not sure Evans in the long term solution there.
 
I find it really hard to criticise Johny this season when the likes of Rio and Evra are making extremely basic errors and Jones and Fabio's inexperience in Europe has been exploited.

Seems to be abit of scapegoat because his red card coincided with a nightmare of a result.

Far bigger underlying problems with the defence and solidity of the team than one player and that's been apparent since the opening league game.

No doubt Fergie will crack it.
 
One of the "underlying problems" in defence is that Evans seems to have become a regular in it. Fergie talked about his "outstanding performances" - well, he was the only player who could look poor against Arsenal, he was, again, poor at Benfica. He was poor against Chelsea.

He's young, that's true. He might become a quality defender one day. But as of right now, he's a liability. To me he doesn't seem to have remotely the same potential as Smalling or Jones who are also accidents waiting to happen this season but I might be wrong. Still, getting Ferdinand and Vidic back together is an absolute must.
 
Stretfordender said:
lacks confidence, the ball is like a hot potato at his feet. Panic sets in and thats when mistakes happen....
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by all means he made a mistake that cost us

but, you must have watched a different match to me because most of his passing was sharp and at one point he hit a cracking ball down the left wing

I dont think he panicked, i think he instinctively grabbed for the guy
 
He panicked because he managed to somehow let Balotelli get goalside of him, from a position where he should be in full control of the situation.

But the issue is not on the ball. This season he has been our tidies defender on the ball by a country mile - only Jones have rivalled him. He basically never gives the ball away, and his distribution has been fine.
 
He's been fairly decent this season, daft mistake cost us yesterday, but Vidic has been sent off for similar before now without getting anywhere near as much shit for it as Evans. If anyone should be getting flak at the moment it's Rio and Evra - there's no organisation and leadership whatsoever coming from them at the minute.
 
golden_blunder said:
exactly, which is why it annoys me when people roll out this nonsense about "hot potatoes"
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I seriously can not believe how people come to the conclusion that he's not good on the ball - he quite obviously is, he's been our best defender at playing it out from the back. I thought that was one of the most striking strengths of us in the game against Spurs for instance, him finding the CMs in all sorts of dangerous areas.

Other than that, I believe his pass completion is about 95 % or something silly like that too.
 
marjen said:
He panicked because he managed to somehow let Balotelli get goalside of him, from a position where he should be in full control of the situation.

But the issue is not on the ball. This season he has been our tidies defender on the ball by a country mile - only Jones have rivalled him. He basically never gives the ball away, and his distribution has been fine.
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IMO Evans was the best defender until the red card.
 
Siorac said:
One of the "underlying problems" in defence is that Evans seems to have become a regular in it. Fergie talked about his "outstanding performances" - well, he was the only player who could look poor against Arsenal, he was, again, poor at Benfica. He was poor against Chelsea.

He's young, that's true. He might become a quality defender one day. But as of right now, he's a liability. To me he doesn't seem to have remotely the same potential as Smalling or Jones who are also accidents waiting to happen this season but I might be wrong. Still, getting Ferdinand and Vidic back together is an absolute must.
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The worst defensive performances of the whole season were the second half of yesterday's game and the entire 90 minutes against Basle. Evans didn't feature in either of those.

Stoke was another awful defensive performance. We made fecking Walters look like fat Ronaldo. Ditto West Brom, Long and Tchoyi were running riot. Another two horrible defensive displays, with no Jonny Evans.

Seems more than a little strange to single Evans out as the main problem in our defence this season when the contrast in the way our back four performed with/without him yesterday couldn't be more marked. The appalling defending in the second half compared to the first is all the evidence you need that, if anything, Evans has been a positive influence in our back four this season.
 
Was he bollocks. Hopelessly exposed and out of position for their 1st goal - then his positioning/strength in the 2nd half resulted in him getting sent off.

Utter shitbag.
 
Talking Vulture said:
Was he bollocks. Hopelessly exposed and out of position for their 1st goal - then his positioning/strength in the 2nd half resulted in him getting sent off.

Utter shitbag.
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In fact, although he was partly at blame for the first goal, I felt one of our midfielders has a responsibility in getting back to the edge of the box and cover that area - especially when it wasn't even a counter-attack, but a throw in high up our pitch which was the prelude.

Evans did make a bad call by trying to get back inside the six-yard box - perhaps it wouldn't have been as bad a call if Fletcher or Anderson did their job, or the ball had been played across the goalmouth by Milner.
 
marjen said:
In fact, although he was partly at blame for the first goal, I felt one of our midfielders has a responsibility in getting back to the edge of the box and cover that area - especially when it wasn't even a counter-attack, but a throw in high up our pitch which was the prelude.

Evans did make a bad call by trying to get back inside the six-yard box - perhaps it wouldn't have been as bad a call if Fletcher or Anderson did their job, or the ball had been played across the goalmouth by Milner.
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If you watch it again, that's actually what he intended to do. It took a deflection away from the goal en route to Ballotelli, which is what really fecked us up.
 
Talking Vulture said:
Was he bollocks. Hopelessly exposed and out of position for their 1st goal - then his positioning/strength in the 2nd half resulted in him getting sent off.

Utter shitbag.
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Quit your drivel and drink your piss please.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
The worst defensive performances of the whole season were the second half of yesterday's game and the entire 90 minutes against Basle. Evans didn't feature in either of those.

Stoke was another awful defensive performance. We made fecking Walters look like fat Ronaldo. Ditto West Brom, Long and Tchoyi were running riot. Another two horrible defensive displays, with no Jonny Evans.

Seems more than a little strange to single Evans out as the main problem in our defence this season when the contrast in the way our back four performed with/without him yesterday couldn't be more marked. The appalling defending in the second half compared to the first is all the evidence you need that, if anything, Evans has been a positive influence in our back four this season.
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I said one of the problems and I said that Jones and Smalling are both accidents waiting to happen, due their youth and inexperience.

Also, Ferdinand's injury problems are quite obviously hindering him and we have badly missed an in-form Vidic as well.

However, Smalling and Jones, in my no way expert opinion, look to have much more in their locker than Evans who, to me, doesn't look that talented. But Fergie keeps playing him so who am I to argue with him? But singling him out for special praise was a bit OTT.

Basically, whoever has played in defence, our defending has been shite. It's a serious issue.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
If you watch it again, that's actually what he intended to do. It took a deflection away from the goal en route to Ballotelli, which is what really fecked us up.
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Not really. If you watch the play from the camera angle behind the goal, you will see it was poor defending from us. Both Rio and Johnny didn't bother to pick up Balotelli at the edge of the box when he was the only City forward in the box at the time of the Milner run through. I don't blame Evans for the goal though, it was just poor defending from us as a unit. But him and Rio have to take some of the blame for the 1st goal. One of them SHOULD have stayed with Mario.
 
marjen said:
He panicked because he managed to somehow let Balotelli get goalside of him, from a position where he should be in full control of the situation.

But the issue is not on the ball. This season he has been our tidies defender on the ball by a country mile - only Jones have rivalled him. He basically never gives the ball away, and his distribution has been fine.
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Its not the first time in a big game that our players have come out into the second half unfocussed. Same thing happened with Chelsea, the whole defense switched off, not just Evans.

He's been our best defender this year as Marjen says. He's a young player relatively (for a defender) and will make mistakes. The issue is that he needs to learn from these mistakes. Just an unfortunate turn of events imo and City punished us well.

The annoying thing is that we should never have been 1-0 down anyway, we dominated them first half and one sloppy piece of defending cost us a goal. Thats football I suppose.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
The worst defensive performances of the whole season were the second half of yesterday's game and the entire 90 minutes against Basle. Evans didn't feature in either of those.

Stoke was another awful defensive performance. We made fecking Walters look like fat Ronaldo. Ditto West Brom, Long and Tchoyi were running riot. Another two horrible defensive displays, with no Jonny Evans.

Seems more than a little strange to single Evans out as the main problem in our defence this season when the contrast in the way our back four performed with/without him yesterday couldn't be more marked. The appalling defending in the second half compared to the first is all the evidence you need that, if anything, Evans has been a positive influence in our back four this season.
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You always play the enlightened contrarian.

He was terrible! the fact that he got himself sent off for a very poor challenge should justify that epithet.

I'm not one to write him off, he's still very young and hasnt yet blossomed but time and time again he has put us under undue pressure due to his lack of technical ability and judgement.

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Obviously yesterday, that stupid tackle he made on Holden against bolton last season, the milan game where he panicked; hoofed the ball about like an amateur and received a rebuke from Ferguson, the debacle against west ham in the snow where he made obinna look like maradonna, he should have been sent off for that stupid aerial tackle on drogba etc etc...

He'll make it I think, but we should seriously reconsider playing him in high pressure games as he often makes these stupid mistakes.
 
Evans was good untill he got the red card.

But Evans is a defender who is pretty good but is prone to making at at least 2 major mistakes per game.
 
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