Jonny Evans | 2011/12 Performances

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Red Dreams said:
he made a silly mistake.

He was better than Ferdinand tbf today.

Ferdinand was disgraceful today.

mentally he was not here.
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tbh all our back 4 was a complete joke today....all the goals that citeh scored were all disgraceful defending.
 
I think his mistake for the first goal came much earlier than not covering Balotelli for his shot. He actually gave the ball away in City's half near their box, when we were on top of them, having been smartly and patiently passing the ball about. The goal was a consequent of them gaining possession and attacking us, not directly but within than period of City's possession.
 
Ekeke said:
Ferdinand was poor by his own standards, but how on earth could he have been worse than Evans?
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Rio played the full 90 minutes, Smalling and Evra were just as bad, Evans only play 1 minutes in the 2nd half before given an early shower....the 5 goals they scored in the 2nd half Evans wasn't on the pitch.
 
Ekeke said:
I remember a while back when people were getting really excited about him, I said he clearly looks a good young player but we dont know yet whether he'll be "the next Ferdinand" as some were saying, or simply another good defender that came through like a Neville. At this point we should be happy enough if he serves the club over a period of time as well as the likes of Brown and O'Shea.
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This!

He don't have what it take's. Over and over again he make rookie mistakes when we just need a solid performance. Let's see what SAFs response will be but I expect some reaction.
 
He's a great defender in most games but I'd love it if he didn't start the big games because the mistakes he makes are far more likely to be punished against quality teams.
 
manusteve said:
I think questioning Evans' qualities and highlighting his propensity for making mistakes are not a consequence of emotions running high.

Did you think that Evans was NOT at fault today for letting Balotelli have a free shot for the first goal?

Did you think Evans was "unlucky" to get sent off for a clear red card offence?

When a defender CONSISTENTLY makes mistakes, it should be obvious that he should not be playing when better alternatives are available.
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Read my previous post. He had an awful game. So did the rest of our defense (positioning all over the place). Prior to this game, he merited his selection in this game by putting very good performances prior, for example at Liverpool. To write a player off on one game is a symptom of hot blood. It's cool, we've all been there before.
 
wr8_utd said:
He's a great defender in most games but I'd love it if he didn't start the big games because the mistakes he makes are far more likely to be punished against quality teams.
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He was fantastic against Liverpool at Anfield this season. Any mistake against a big team will get punished severely.
 
It's a shame about the red card, but unfortunately, I've said it before that he's a player who is very much prone to do such things. Not because he lacks concentration but because he lacks the physical attributes to prevent him from putting himself in those situations.

Makki said:
The penalty may have been a joke decision, from the linesman's POV it was an obvious pull even if Walcott embellished it, but even then he's much more rash in his defending than Jones and Smalling are. That's not because his positioning is poor, because positioning and reading of the game are his main assets IMO, but because he is too slow to catch up with an attacker that gets past him. He could easily have had a second yellow against Spurs for one particular "tactical foul" when he already was on a yellow. That doesn't take away from the fact that the first yellow IMO was bollocks, but the point still stands.

I've said this for a long time, but defenders who often resort to sliding tackles are doing so because either a) they're out of position* or b) because they're too slow to catch up with the attacker. Evans has always been much more about sliding tackles than Smalling has, and also from what I've seen of Jones.

Now, this is a lot of personal opinion here, but I'd take a non-sliding defender (Rio, Smalling) over a gung-ho sliding defender (Puyol, Micah Richards) ten times out of ten. That's why I can't see Evans being more than fifth choice CB at United. I do however have to say that I've found his recent form extremely refreshing and shows good mental strength to bounce back like that from an awful last season.

* For example Jones vs. Bale where he was out of position but managed to recover in time to put the sliding tackle in. What sets this apart from the example is that he didn't slide at the player in order to concede a foul, but that he slid away from the player in order to prevent the cross from coming in.

Whatever the outcome, it's a bit ridiculous that we're talking about such talented players in terms of who's fifth choice centre back for us, but in an awesome way.
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Makki said:
The sliding defender was mostly to illustrate a point which is easier to relate to, which is why I didn't put him with Puyol and Richards. I did however say that he's rash in his defending, and I would say Evans is much more of a "shirt-tugging" defender, who puts his arms out and clatters the defender when being skinned/beaten in a footrace, than Jones and Smalling are, because of his (relative) lack of pace. If being pushed, I would put Vidic in this category of defenders as well as he also is prone to pulling a defender down when beaten, but he has an abundance of experience that means that those incidents are fewer compared to Evans IMO.
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Sadly, despite him having had a fantastic season it's mistakes/rash challenges like these that are remembered and which end up costing us points.
 
Kelvin said:
Rio played the full 90 minutes, Smalling and Evra were just as bad, Evans only play 1 minutes in the 2nd half before given an early shower....the 5 goals they scored in the 2nd half Evans wasn't on the pitch.
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And getting sent off was the real turning point in the match. Ferdinand wasnt stupid enough to put up the white flag
 
Evans has always had the capability of making one big feck up when you least expect it. I was really hoping that with his better form so far this season he had finally turned the corner and started to realise his potential.
:( Sadly its back to square one for Jonny and I don't know if he has the mental strength required to succeed.
 
Erictheking7 said:
Evans has always had the capability of making one big feck up when you least expect it. I was really hoping that with his better form so far this season he had finally turned the corner and started to realise his potential.
:( Sadly its back to square one for Jonny and I don't know if he has the mental strength required to succeed.
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My thoughts also. We will need him this season but I'm not sure about his future.

On another note. Six seven weeks ago we had the best defense in the world. Where are we today??
 
sadly for evans, he is a player who is bound to make at least one mistake in a game and today it happen and he didn't get away with that.

that's the life of a goalkeeper or a defender, no matter how well you play throughout the game one moment of madness will cost your team the match..

it was just last week he looked to be back to his best and today he made a silly mistake again..
 
Makki said:
It's a shame about the red card, but unfortunately, I've said it before that he's a player who is very much prone to do such things. Not because he lacks concentration but because he lacks the physical attributes to prevent him from putting himself in those situations.

Sadly, despite him having had a fantastic season it's mistakes/rash challenges like these that are remembered and which end up costing us points.
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Fair points. I'm not too hung up with the distinction between ball players like Smalling or agressive defenders like Evans. Who would you rather play, Smalling or Vidic? No contest IMO. Both styles have their advantages and disadvantages. Agree with the rest of your point.
 
SER19 said:
you're talking out of your arse. saying youd go for jones over evans is different to your previous post. which was horseshit.
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Of course not... most of the mistakes we've been making in defence these years comes directly/indirectly from the players i've mentionned... either their presence bringing insecurity or simply by their mistakes... enough is enough... I hope SAF realise this before it's too late... Evans is the only player in the team that I don't like to see play...
 
His lack of strength and pace is a problem. I think it was a poor decision on his part to foul Balotelli. Had we been ahead then it might have been sensible but not when we were behind.
 
dmode said:
Of course not... most of the mistakes we've been making in defence these years comes directly/indirectly from the players i've mentionned... either their presence bringing insecurity or simply by their mistakes... enough is enough... I hope SAF realise this before it's too late... Evans is the only player in the team that I don't like to see play...
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How did Brown bring insecurity to the.. feck it
 
adexkola said:
Fair points. I'm not too hung up with the distinction between ball players like Smalling or agressive defenders like Evans. Who would you rather play, Smalling or Vidic? No contest IMO. Both styles have their advantages and disadvantages. Agree with the rest of your point.
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Obviously Vidic would be first choice because he's a better and more experienced player who can use his experience to his advantage. That should probably say "if I had two players of equal quality but with different styles I would have the non-rash defender".

The discussion was who should be fifth choice defender and I think Smalling and Jones are ahead of Evans in the CB department, not only because they've got better physical attributes to compensate for mistakes caused by inexperience, but also because they have a higher potential. Evans is not that much experienced that you can say that he's using it to his advantage, despite having played more games at the top level.

Edit: Also, regarding Vidic; He's one of the strongest players in the league, so despite lacking the pace he can use his strength to his advantage in such situations and just hold Balotelli off. Evans lacks both pace and strength and is good/decent in both areas but excellent in none of them, if that makes sense.
 
Don't overdo the abuse on Evans. He will recover from this and we'll surely need him. I hope people realise how well he's started this season and cut him a bit of slack.

That said, today he actually played well from the start. The sending off was an error in his judgement at the wrong time in the game. It effectively proved to be the turning point. He's got to learn to control himself better. There's no point of being so rash in situations like that.
 
He started the season well, but there are some mistakes that just put you out there. Bar injuries, I doubt we will see him any time soon.
 
whats with all the evans bashing, this guy is the future of united, he'll be great cover for rio when hes gone, how do you guys not see it, hes proved time and time again what a fantastic defender he is... the futures bright...
 
So I'm the only one that thinks Evans has been great this season? The boy made a bad mistake, that is all.
 
This is why Evans will never be a top defender. He is always liable to make these errors and it's proven costly today.
 
Orton said:
This is why Evans will never be a top defender. He is always liable to make these errors and it's proven costly today.
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And you don't think that there's a chance he can eradicate this errors from his game, this is just a fatal flaw? Have no error-prone young players ever developed into top class centre backs?
 
He's not been great by any stretch, our defence has actually been quite poor this season, which is why de Gea has been kept so busy, and he's been virtually ever present.
 
Brwned said:
And you don't think that there's a chance he can eradicate this errors from his game, this is just a fatal flaw? Have no error-prone young players ever developed into top class centre backs?
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Ferdinand, for one.

I'm not sure about Evans though - even he said he feared for his United career after having arguably a near season-long slump last year.

I think he enjoys a very good relationship with SAF which is lucky as otherwise I think he'd be in trouble.

I certainly think his future at United is far from assured at the moment.
 
He has admitted recently that this could be his last season if he doesn't improve after last year's poor form.

Today he had a shocker in the 1st half and then the red.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
He has been great all season. Our most consistent central defender. Actually played well for 46 minutes today and all. Horrible mistake but shit happens.
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Agree he's been good this season, but today wasn't his day.

If you watch the first goal, he stumbles a little before closing down Balotelli. Not sure if it would've made much difference but I was a little annoyed at the time.
 
Is it possible that Evans took the red on purpose to stop the goal that would have probably been scored?

He kept it 1-0, and if we had been able to do a proper 10 man job and play defense, we ended up nicking our goal.

I was more pissed that he gave Balotelli so much room for the first goal.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
He has been great all season. Our most consistent central defender. Actually played well for 46 minutes today and all. Horrible mistake but shit happens.
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He hasn't been great all season. He's only most consistent centreback because our other 2 CBs have missed so many games through injury, leaving just him and Phil Jones. And I think Jones is better.
 
gooDevil said:
Is it possible that Evans took the red on purpose to stop the goal that would have probably been scored?

He kept it 1-0, and if we had been able to do a proper 10 man job and play defense, we ended up nicking our goal.

I was more pissed that he gave Balotelli so much room for the first goal.
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I'd rather be 2 down and still have 11 men on the field to throw everything at them in the final 30 minutes.
 
gooDevil said:
Is it possible that Evans took the red on purpose to stop the goal that would have probably been scored?

He kept it 1-0, and if we had been able to do a proper 10 man job and play defense, we ended up nicking our goal.

I was more pissed that he gave Balotelli so much room for the first goal.
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:confused: How would that be a logical decision? He's not guaranteed to score through 1 on 1, and Evans left his teammates out there a man down for 45 minutes. We had a better chance of getting 2 back with 11 men than 1(without allowing more goals) with 10. If it were the last 10 minutes, maybe, but not 65 seconds into the second half. It was just mindbogglingly stupid.
 
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