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John Stones
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He's a good prospect no doubt but there are a lot of matches where I watch him and I'm not impressed.
Haven't watched Everton at all but they have conceded 32 goals in 22 games.
Promising prospect but both his inflated price tag and cultural/league differences make it improbable
I'd still spend big on him.
Said it before on this thread. I think Laporte is a more accomplished CB.
Your point?
If we sign him, a lot of fans will be annoyed at him much like they are with Jones. Especially on here.
I think his brain goes missing as often or even more than Phil Jones does.
Obviously that he hasn't been amazing this season given Everton's defence has been shambolic. Certainly nothing like the "best defender in England this season" like the commentator was banging on at the start of today's game.
Exactly.
one bad game and all of the sudden he is shit
He could always make a blog where he give out hugs to everyone and people on here would still claim him to be a world beater despite being shit.
This is been brought up a few times this season.one bad game and all of the sudden he is shit
Don't think anyone is saying he is shit.one bad game and all of the sudden he is shit
You do realise that stones isn't the only defender in everyone's team? The point I was making was to the guy saying that Everton had conceded 32 goals in 22 games.....and?! Like I said stones isn't the only defender - he's not solely responsible for all of those goals. Like you point out, at times they have all been shambolic.
Besides, he's still a damned sight better than all of your centre backs, with the exception of maybe smalling.
Noone said he's solely responsible for all the goals. Just that he isn't already an incredible defender or anything like that, otherwise Everton would be better defensively.
He's been that good this season? So much better than all our centre backs? Debatable who has been better between him and Smalling? Explains Everton's fantastic defensive record this season.
There's likely a lot of CBs out there who are better than ours bar Smalling. Most of which won't cost as much as Stones. Whoever buys Stones will be taken to the cleaners and might not be getting all that they had hoped.
people are comparing him to Phil Jones....in my book that is like saying he is shit. He is nothing like Jones, in terms of both quality and playing style.
He has been a liability through overplaying for a while. Too often he gets caught out. He will be the best best ball playing defender in the world in a couple of years I think. Pique said he is the best young defensive talent around so don't try and argue with me!
I doubt those posters think Phil Jones is shit. Because, well, he's not.
He made an absolutely calamitous foul on Sterling just the match before which should've resulted in a penalty. Type of challenge that the 'braindead' Phil Jones makes and would be crucified had he done so.one bad game and all of the sudden he is shit
... Jones is very ahead in defensively ability compared to Stones. Even Funes Mori has been better than Stones this season. Just because a defender has technical ability and [over]confidence on the ball doesn't mean he is going to be a world class CB.
How does a defender have a brilliant season in a poor defence? Is that possible? What do you base it off? I mean, it's highly unlikely that one chap destroys every attacker, and the rest just trip over their own feet all the time. I'm sure he's had commanding performances which go to further show his supposed immense talent that everyone speaks of. But all this "best CB in the PL" reeks of overrating an English player.
He isnt shit, but he's still got a lot of mistakes which are not highlighted as much as defenders playing for the traditional champions league clubs.one bad game and all of the sudden he is shit
I'd still love him at United, but we wouldnt be getting finished article. He'd require some patience. Not all of our fans will offer him that.
For the money they are quoting you should be getting the finished article. The price is far too high.
That's the price for a top talent now.
Sterling went for 50 million, Martial 35 million and counting, Ruben Neves would be a giant fee too, and so on and so forth.
one bad game and all of the sudden he is shit
By far not his first mistake. He seems to be quite overrated in here. Looks like making horrendous mistakes at times
Aye. A couple of weeks back, his performance against Stoke was as bad as any match Jones has had as far as I can remember on top off my head. Stones has a long way to go.
Obviously he is only 21 and is bound to make mistakes. Rio took a good while when he was with us to cut out the mistakes.
To me he looks like a defensively minded midfielder being played out of position.
It's like when Carrick played in central defence, very good on the ball, very good at building play from the back, but ultimately very naive in terms of his primary responsibility in that position.
Obviously he has age in his side but we've already got a player who's really good with the ball at his feet, but isn't a natural defender. He'd be an upgrade because if his height and speed, but I think there are better options.
It's like when Carrick played in central defence, very good on the ball, very good at building play from the back, but ultimately very naive in terms of his primary responsibility in that position.
Obviously he has age in his side but we've already got a player who's really good with the ball at his feet, but isn't a natural defender. He'd be an upgrade because if his height and speed, but I think there are better options.
He's hardly overrated;very promising young player who needs experience and he's getting that. it's more a case of not having an experienced partner next to him. Rio had Vidic to help him, and Pallister had Bruce
the comments were in negative context so i doubt they rate Jones. As for Jones himself, its just matter of what people regard as "shit" because most of this players aint "shit" but because they arent good enough and they play poor in a top team(Fellaini for example) most people just call them shit because its easier.
in my book he isnt and i watch Everton on a regular basis. Stones isnt only good on the ball, his reading of the game is fantastic, decision making and positioning is also good but from time to time he can get overexcited in his tackling. He is much better defender then Jones as he actually think before he makes a decision on the pitch while Jones plays only using his instincts which is never good for any player on a long term let alone for a defender.
Stones price is high, very high and who ever gets him will overpay but its better to overpay for a top talent(Shaw, Martial) which Stones is then overpay for an average player(Jones, Rojo, Fellaini) that we will probably do if we miss out on Stones.
Nobody says he is perfect or that he is finished article but the talent is there and he is already on a good level even though he makes mistakes, who doesnt?
Stones would have Smalling, who is not exactly the experience defender I would want teaching me the game. They both have a lot to learn.
Jones isn't relatively "shit" by any angle, or any means of "easy" classification. He obviously can't ever stay fit but in general he's a good footballer that should (in an ideal world where he can stand straight) in a worst case scenario be a good squad player at Manchester United. That classification made using relativity of player vs club can be applied to someone like Fellaini who often looks like a bumbling mess. Jones is much better than that. You don't look at him, and think "how the feck did this chap become a United player?". So all in all, nope, Phil Jones is most definitely not "shit", not literally, not relatively speaking.
He's 21, of course he isn't anywhere near the finished article.
If we don't get Top 4 we can forget about Stones anyway. He will either go to a CL team or if not I think he would go to Chelsea to be taught by John Terry then replace him. Chelsea won't be this bad next season. If LvG is here, we might be.
I think people realise that, it is the money that is the problem. Yes he is good, but if these sort of stupid prices keep getting paid I think football will implode eventually.
I'd drop him and play Funes Mori for a bit, didn't deserve to be dropped anyway.
The issue also is whether a defender that is the finished article is available or not. If not, getting a special talent in who has everything to become a top player, like Shaw and Martial, is the next best option.