Manchester United has a revenue stream few can match. Nothing wrong with taking advantage of it.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Manchester United has a revenue stream few can match. Nothing wrong with taking advantage of it.
If we got Clyne, we could potentially have had the future England back four.
50M, though? Wow!
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I honestly think he'll just let Martinez decide. Suppose you never know with these things.
exactly, I was amazed at the figures bandied in the summer.
It'd be the same story as ever with Everton and us though. We buy their players for outrageous figures, and then let them buy our squad players, who go on to play for them for 8-10 years for 2-3m, even though a championship squad player would cost triple that.
I can't believe I'm saying this... But £50m sounds about right
I know it's a crazy amount of money but when messi is apparently worth £200m-£250m and Neymar £150m-£200m we have to accept transfer fees are going to rocket over the next few years... We have had a big recession and as we come out of that the pl has also got a massive new pay deal
Pogba and veratti are apparently worth £80m-£100m
So a top young centreback probably £40m-£50m
There is always a premium for young English players as the odds of somebody who is English and playing in the pl settling at a new club are more in your favour than buying from abroad... And would laporte, varane, giminez, marquinhos, Ginter cost significantly less anyway?
Crazy prices but that's the way the game is going
I know it's a crazy amount of money but when messi is apparently worth £200m-£250m and Neymar £150m-£200m we have to accept transfer fees are going to rocket over the next few years... We have had a big recession and as we come out of that the pl has also got a massive new pay deal
Pogba and veratti are apparently worth £80m-£100m
So a top young centreback probably £40m-£50m
There is always a premium for young English players as the odds of somebody who is English and playing in the pl settling at a new club are more in your favour than buying from abroad... And would laporte, varane, giminez, marquinhos, Ginter cost significantly less anyway?
Crazy prices but that's the way the game is going
Never go full England. 3 out of 4 is fine. Though I guess the Cole-Terry-Ferdinand-Neville backline would have been pretty great at club level for the 2000s
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On paper that is a perfect defence. To be honest I think Everton where at our most solid in my lifetime with a all English defence of Hibbert-Jags-Lescott-Baines so it has its pros I reckon.
One thing England usually produces consistently is defenders.
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LvG likes his defensive team to be right, left footed combination. Probably rules us out.
Would be a great long term acquisition.
Would be a great long term acquisition.
I doubt he'll rule out right-footed CB's because of that though. If you get the chance to sign a potentially worldclass CB you fecking do it, whether he's left or right footed.
Like many have said before, shades of Rio if this is going to happen.
50 Shades of Rio Ferdinand
50 Shades of Rio Ferdinand
Not sure why some people are bulking at £50m. They rejected £40m in the summer and he has subsequently played very well this season.
£50m seems absolutely right considering his age and potential. Remember Martial's fee. You are paying for incredible potential and longevity.
£50m seems absolutely right considering his age and potential. Remember Martial's fee. You are paying for incredible potential and longevity.
Fair enough. I truly didn't get that at first glance
He seemed to like a Smalling- Jones combo when they were fit. So he might make an exception for an excellent ball playing center half like Stones.
That's due to injuries to Shaw and Rojo. He's turned Blind into a defender due to being left footed.
Martial is an attacker.I don't think even a world class CB worth 50 mil.I'm not bothered though but I don't think it's a right fee.Overpaid a few times and you end up having to overpay for all of your future recruits since the sellers would expect the same kind of fee.
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£50m? Strewth.
He's a very good player and an exciting prospect that I'm a big fan of don't get me wrong but he's not even a very good ball playing centre half when compared on the world stage yet. He's just a standout prospect, doing well in a phase where he's been learning on the job with good ball playing skills compared to the likes of Jagielka next to him.
Whenever I've seen him play I've noticed how his positioning can be suspect and while his ball playing skills are nice to see, the consistency in his decision making is still short of an elite defender. Some of his dribbles and passes are horrible and yet they're glossed over because other times they look great. Chris Smalling was lambasted on here solidly for 12 months for doing similar work and nobody was calling him a £50m defender. Even with his increased experience and trophy collection.
I repeat, I'm a big fan of Stones and I know footballers are only human, everyone makes mistakes and errors, and this lad is clearly on an upward trajectory to being a top quality defender. Ironing out the positioning and decision making references above would probably get him on the cusp of being so alone, but let's not lose grip of reality and context. £50m? Not for me Clive. Not yet anyway.
He's a very good player and an exciting prospect that I'm a big fan of don't get me wrong but he's not even a very good ball playing centre half when compared on the world stage yet. He's just a standout prospect, doing well in a phase where he's been learning on the job with good ball playing skills compared to the likes of Jagielka next to him.
Whenever I've seen him play I've noticed how his positioning can be suspect and while his ball playing skills are nice to see, the consistency in his decision making is still short of an elite defender. Some of his dribbles and passes are horrible and yet they're glossed over because other times they look great. Chris Smalling was lambasted on here solidly for 12 months for doing similar work and nobody was calling him a £50m defender. Even with his increased experience and trophy collection.
I repeat, I'm a big fan of Stones and I know footballers are only human, everyone makes mistakes and errors, and this lad is clearly on an upward trajectory to being a top quality defender. Ironing out the positioning and decision making references above would probably get him on the cusp of being so alone, but let's not lose grip of reality and context. £50m? Not for me Clive. Not yet anyway.
That doesn't mean he's worth more than £40 million and if his head is turned it could be difficult to keep him. Regardless £40 million or even more, he won't improve our defending. He'd just add something bringing the ball out of defence. Pretty crazy to pay that amount of money for a defender who wont improve your defending - David Luiz stuff
I am puzzled at how some here view this signing as a potential long term investment. This clearly discounts all the risks inherent with the sport. Given United's chronic injury problems, who is to say he wouldn't turn into another crock ala Phil Jones?
Similarly, the fact that he is English or a United fan means little in the way of loyalty. Football is a professional sport and loyalty often depends on financial and sporting incentives at United outweighing those elsewhere. With seemingly no definitive end to our on-the-pitch struggles, player loyalty should no longer be taken for granted.
I think in the main, the above is the sort of thinking that ended up guiding SAF's approach to transfers in his latter years. It is all about hedging the risks, and spunking £50mil on Stones just isn't.
Further who is to say the managers, post LVG, would prioritise ball-playing centrebacks? That's just a bonus attribute in a central defender. The key ones should be their abilities to defend properly: their positioning, heading, tactical awareness, one-on-ones, mental strength, leadership skills etc.
Vidic was fairly poor on the ball but was one more successful defenders in recent years because he was more than accomplished in doing the basics.
The team has other more pressing priorities and I don't think they can be ably addressed by spending £50mil on a defender.
Similarly, the fact that he is English or a United fan means little in the way of loyalty. Football is a professional sport and loyalty often depends on financial and sporting incentives at United outweighing those elsewhere. With seemingly no definitive end to our on-the-pitch struggles, player loyalty should no longer be taken for granted.
I think in the main, the above is the sort of thinking that ended up guiding SAF's approach to transfers in his latter years. It is all about hedging the risks, and spunking £50mil on Stones just isn't.
Further who is to say the managers, post LVG, would prioritise ball-playing centrebacks? That's just a bonus attribute in a central defender. The key ones should be their abilities to defend properly: their positioning, heading, tactical awareness, one-on-ones, mental strength, leadership skills etc.
Vidic was fairly poor on the ball but was one more successful defenders in recent years because he was more than accomplished in doing the basics.
The team has other more pressing priorities and I don't think they can be ably addressed by spending £50mil on a defender.
£50m would not be tragic for him given the distinct lack of quality defenders in football right now. There aren't much cheaper alternatives to be fair.
Hmm where to start...
Firstly it's odd to suggest we hesitate re buying someone simply because they might get injured. On that basis we'd never buy anybody
Of course it's not hugely meaningful that he's a fan....but it helps. A large part of our recent success was built around a core of local lads who supported the club and I'd suggest that a player who is also a fan is more likely to go the extra mile when needed.
You seem to suggest he's ok on the ball but not a great defender? From what I've seen he can do both. In fact I reckon he's the complete package on the pitch whilst off it all reports suggest someone hard working, grounded, down to earth.
Everything points to Stones being a top class player. It might not work out that way but all indications suggest otherwise and he's turning heads all over Europe.
Finally the money is irrelevant. Todays £50 million is yesterdays £25m and, relatively speaking, it is buttons.
Hopefully Stones won't leave Everton until the summer and by that point this clown of a manager that we currently have will have been given his marching orders.
Blind had played LB and CB for Ajax in the past. When Jones had come back this season, Smalling and Jones would start together with Blind on the bench. When the players are good enough/there's not a good enough LCB in the squad or out there, I think he bypasses his rule.
Harsh very very harsh
Blind and Rojo were both fit when he used that combo vs Everton and praised it highly. And tbf he isn't one to praise easily. So IMO there is hope
Maybe mate, but I'm sick to death of him. His comments yesterday have just further annoyed me.
This is the first time in 30 years of supporting this club that I go into every match with zero confidence of getting a result.
Talented but a massively overrated player right now. His composure on the ball seems to blind people to his defensive weaknesses.
Garethw I honestly think we just don't have enough quality and that any manager would struggle right now. I get we have spent a lot of money but it was long overdue at haul over with the squad. He's certainly spent better than Davie Moyes.
Totally agree. Stones is the real deal, I would love us to sign him. One Everton season ticket holder I work with who knows his football even went as far as saying Stones is the best defender he has ever seen at Goodison.
Great talent. Can still improve as a defender and at 21 you will expect him to, as a ball playing cb he would deb the perfect foil for Smalling and nglish to boot. Really hope we can get this done.
Something many of you are stuck in 2007 transfer market mode. Thank feck Woody is not.
There is an abundance of money floating around, particularly in the PL. There is a shortage of available talent around Europe right now also.
£50m is a very, very fair price for Stones.
Everton still won't want to sell. However, history shows that clubs only keep a player an extra season when he wants to leave. It will be difficult for them to stop him from leaving.
Everton have a superb young English CB who is delivering for them every week. They have healthy finances. Why would they want to take £50m and gamble on trying to replace him? They won't want to but they may have to accept the players desires this summer.
£50m in 2015 is £25m in 2011 in football. As others have suggested.
If Maureen comes Stones is nailed on surely?
Pretty much. He was really keen on him. And I'd think the board would back Maureen if he had to come here.
I wouldn't say nailed on. Mourinho was interested in Varane, Laporte and Marquinhos too. He basically wanted a fast centre half.
If Everton try price us out, we'd go for one of the above too.
If Everton try price us out, we'd go for one of the above too.
Would absolutely love us to sign Stones.
im getting sick of people making excuses for him. He's not utilising any assets that we do have currently.
He'll have the two fastest in the league if he comes here. But he'll probably want another though - won't be anywhere as desperate though.
Nope disagree Blunder I think player wise we are short of quality and the type of player we need.