As long as we do what's required in attack I'm all for this. Getting a Rio type defender who everyone considers the biggest English talent would be fantastic.
John Stones
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Surprised we haven't been linked to him sooner.. he screams 'United' material.
I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes a future captain here, he has that aura that once he fine tunes his game and matures.. he'll be the best english defender of his generation. For me Smalling lacks an innate confidence on the ball which makes him slightly uncomfortable when playing against teams who love to press high up the pitch and having someone like Stones would relieve that pressure.
Another key issue which Stones would help resolve is that it would mean our midfielders can make more forward runs and start higher up the pitch knowing that they do not have to come super deep to collect the ball to initiate attacks or help the defence to play it out from the back.
Final issue which Stones helps resolve is that he is not Daley Blind or Phil Jones.. that alone is worth its weight in gold.
Not to mention he is English, would spend his entire career here, has a big match mentality and seems to be the type of player who can be moulded into a leader of men. It is a no-brainer regardless of how inconsistent he is at the moment.
I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes a future captain here, he has that aura that once he fine tunes his game and matures.. he'll be the best english defender of his generation. For me Smalling lacks an innate confidence on the ball which makes him slightly uncomfortable when playing against teams who love to press high up the pitch and having someone like Stones would relieve that pressure.
Another key issue which Stones would help resolve is that it would mean our midfielders can make more forward runs and start higher up the pitch knowing that they do not have to come super deep to collect the ball to initiate attacks or help the defence to play it out from the back.
Final issue which Stones helps resolve is that he is not Daley Blind or Phil Jones.. that alone is worth its weight in gold.
Not to mention he is English, would spend his entire career here, has a big match mentality and seems to be the type of player who can be moulded into a leader of men. It is a no-brainer regardless of how inconsistent he is at the moment.
The whole middle of the team needs an upgrade and we need a RW but stones is the perfect CB. He and smalling could be England's CB pairing for the next 6+ years. £50m in today's market would be fair. Would love to see this happen
Would love this. He is superb, will cost a fortune but it doesn't matter he's going to be a top player. If we are willing to pay 32m for a left back we should be willing to pay more for a cb
He's a United fan as well
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...John-Stones-profile-Evertons-new-signing.html
"Stones was born on May 28, 1994 when Manchester United were No 1 in the charts with that timeless classic ‘Come on you Reds’ and fittingly he has grown up a Manchester United fan."
Absolute no brainer.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...John-Stones-profile-Evertons-new-signing.html
"Stones was born on May 28, 1994 when Manchester United were No 1 in the charts with that timeless classic ‘Come on you Reds’ and fittingly he has grown up a Manchester United fan."
Absolute no brainer.
Agreed.
He'd be a brilliant signing. He looks immense now, so can only imagine him when he's older.
Hey chief think you're misinterpreting my post or I wasn't to clear. But not advocating getting rid of anyone I just stated I'd rather keep Jones before Rojo as the post I had quoted was saying swapping Jones and cash.
He is excellent. In my opinion he is right there with the best centerbacks in the world. The likes of Varane, Laporte, Gimenez and Marquinhos. Laporte and Gimenez would cost probably 10-15m lower than Stones, but Stones would most certainly be here for life.
I would be happy if we sign him, be it for 50m or for some cash + Jones deal. In fact, I can see Everton preferring the second option more.
£50 million... good though he is you can get david luiz for that kind of cash
You answered to your question.
I also don't think that he has been as good as Stones. With Smalling being one of the two CBs, it is extremely important for the other CB to be great at passing. Stones is, Jones isn't.
Why would Everton sell? If I were Martinez I'd threaten to quit if they sold any of his key players.
He's has them playing excellently, decent table position and some real momentum. Kenwright has big TV money guaranteed.
He'd be a wonderful addition, but can't see us managing it. If he comes, please bring Lukaku in his luggage. (big luggage)
He's has them playing excellently, decent table position and some real momentum. Kenwright has big TV money guaranteed.
He'd be a wonderful addition, but can't see us managing it. If he comes, please bring Lukaku in his luggage. (big luggage)
50M ????
Absolute joke that ! He's not worth that money. I would rather splash this cash for Marquinhos, head and shoulders above him in terms of talent
I can mention 10 central defenders better than Stones that will leave for 50M
Absolute joke that ! He's not worth that money. I would rather splash this cash for Marquinhos, head and shoulders above him in terms of talent
I can mention 10 central defenders better than Stones that will leave for 50M
Go on...
Here we see that selling Jonny Evans was a wrong thing knowing that Jones is injury prone and Blind not a real center back and Rojo not LVG's favorite player
I know it's the norm to not rate Jones on here, I'd know, I was a part of it for a long while, but his improvement has gone about very unnoticed. Deupfensively speaking, Jones is still superior by a fair amount. Stones' confidence and ability on the ball isn't really rivaled by many in the league, though.
The player wants to leave, he put in a transfer request last summer. There is no way they can keep him in 2016, unless they make CL or something else ridiculous happens.
Perhaps, but it doesn't matter because he's never fit.
The problem is that you cannot count on Jones. A top team needs a top defense, and a top defense needs to have partnerships there. With Jones not being that much fit, and his injury record just getting worse every year, it is difficult to count on him.
The on the ball playing ability is very important, and pretty much every top team needs at least a CB who is great at passing. So, unless Mourinho will be our new manager, it is hard to see a system of Smalling-Jones working that well. Blind has been doing better at this system, despite not being as good as Jones in purely defensive skills.
While I agree that Jones is still a better player when it comes to defensive abilities than Stones, I think that Stones is already the better player all things considered. Add to that, him actually being fit for most of the time, and him being 2 years older than Jones.
Jones is in the Rafael territory IMO. Quite good when fit, but rarely fit. And even when he is fit, he is still prone to stupid mistakes and rash challenges. A good player overall, but not a player you can count on.
With some of them you create the future. The other, you pay less and have finished articles
Marquinhos (21)
Varane (22)
Mustafi (25)
Hummels (26)
Javi Martinez (27)
Bonucci (28)
Godin (29 and can play good for 4 years)
Koscielny (30)
Chiellini (31)
Godin is only 29!?!? He'd guarantee us more goals than Rooney too...
Watch a lot of Bilbao and think Laporte is equally good if not better.
He has been a lot better this season than last season. He has great interception figures or did last season. Good in the air. I don't mind who we sign as long as it's the right one.
Well done Chelsea, fecked right up there. This was obviously going to happen next summer and still we faffed about. Really makes last summer even shitter then it was already.
Marquinhos and Varane won't be sold for 50m.
Mustafi isn't as good as Stones.
Fair point about Hummels, although his injuries might be a problem. Same for Javi Martinez.
The other 4 are quite old to be considered to sign IMO.
True. In fact, I would say that he is more talented.
Still, he hasn't progressed much - if not regressed - since 13-14 season when he was absolutely brilliant.
I really hope we sign him as he looks class and would definitely improve us.
My Everton supporting friend reckons he may go to Barcelona..
My Everton supporting friend reckons he may go to Barcelona..
Maybe he needs a move to progress more. His place in the Bilbao side isn't under that much threat, even at his age. He could end up in a rut if he isn't careful.
Stones has been better than Varane, Marquinhos and Laporte these last two seasons. For some it is still a case of foreign name is always better.
I think it is more about the money an English player will command. If Chelsea decide to get involved again it could go into the stratosphere. No saying City won't fancy him as well.
It's going to be extremely difficult to get Everton to sell now this new TV deal is kicking in. No one in the Prenier League is going to need to sell and the Likes of Everton are going to be desperate to keep their best players in order to try and crack the top 4. It's going to be the same with Lukaku.
It's a good thing for the league, but bad news for the big boys who try and poach players from the lower teams.
It's a good thing for the league, but bad news for the big boys who try and poach players from the lower teams.
Better than Varane and Marqui ? Noway
Both are playing big games for their clubs. Marquinhos played the game against Chelsea and Barca in Champions League last year, I doubt Stones already played that type of game. Like Varane just played in a CL final, multiple times against the best front 3 in the world and training every day against Ronaldo and Bale. Once again, they are not boxing in the same category.
What I want to say is that I think Stones has a good talent, but he's nowhere an European reference, or at European level. Shining in a mid-table team doesn't means that you're the best. Go and confront yourself to the best in the world and then we'll be able to judge you, for the moment he's still learning at Everton and he needs to do the step.
BUT my question was, If I had 50M to buy a central defender I won't put Stones in my top 3 as I see Marqui and Varane one step ahead
Stones would expect a month excellent signing at £50m. Top class CB for the next ten years.
Whiles obviously brilliant and I do think he will be one best in his position in the world when he peaks I think Everton would have to accept 50 million. If we had 50 million on top of say a 30 million transfer kitty we to spend on this current team I think we would be better off.
Do you think Kenwright would accept that kind of money next summer?
I might be in the minority but, I am really not worried about the prices Manchester United pay. The club is loaded they can pay almost any price. And the likes of Laporte, Varane, Marquinhos would also command a huge fee.
50m? Erm, I'd prefer some sort of attacking threat first!
I haven't seen much of Real this season, but Varane was shit last season. There is no way he has performed at a similar level to Stones. Marquinhos from my knowdledge is not even first choice, and when he plays he is usually playing out of position.
We can sign more than one player during the transfer window.
we can, but unless you think we're going to repeatedly lash 150m or so every single window, I'd rather not lash such a ridiculous fee on a defender.