Not 40 mil special imo...From what I have seen from him, he is far from the finished article and patience would need to be exercized with him ..They are still some mistakes in him..so its basically going through what we went through with Smalling and Jones again...and swap deals hardly ever happen..and I think the lad's heart is set on Chelsea..playing for Mourinho will definitely be a big pull for him..especially seeing that Mou will basically market the move as a chance to replace Terry for the long term
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Nope. Otamendi wasn't wanted because he's not a ball playing CB. A Smalling and Otamendi pairing would have never worked because they aren't complementary players. Both of them are tacklers with limited ability in bringing the ball out of the back. Such pairings seldom work.
Mcnair has played well coming up against City with 10 man, playing against Arsenal..away Champions elect Chelsea..and has acquitted himself very well..the only way for young defenders to get better is to play them..Yes, but they will be more defenders in the future..We have good young defenders here although it just appears that the grass is always greener elsewhere..
Smalling has been regularly stepping out of defence and taking it into midfield quite regularly over the last few games, so to say he has limited ability is rather unfair and wide of the mark. Smalling is a tackler but is quite good and confident on the ball and venturing further forward. There were sources saying we were at one stage interested in Otamendi but that disappeared, I think it was because of the way Otamendi wanted out of Valencia and refusing to play for the team.
whats to say Mcnair cant be Stones?. We dont need this guy. Jones COULD still develop further too.
Nothing bar Stones looking more talented than either of them. Obviously there's no guarantee as to who develops the most but (at roughly comparable ages) you can only really go by who looks to have the most potential.
McNair already knows what it is and what it takes to play for a top club. At about the same age, Quaresma look to have more potential than CR7. You never know, a lot of this things depends on the will of the player. Personally, I will cast my chips for McNair.
McNair hasn't really played that often for us, not like Stones wouldn't quickly overtake him in terms of big club experience. Plus Stones has more experience when it comes to playing regularly in the PL and being depended on by his team.
I like McNair but realistically if he played for anyone else we wouldn't consider him near Stones' level.
40m hahahhaha what the hell is going on
Not bothered about this guy, young lad, makes a few mistakes still, has clear potential but still unproven. Not worth any more than about 15m. Chelsea will pay double that at least.
You have to look at it the same way we looked at Shaw,
we paid £30 million for him but we will get 10-12 years of quality out of him and will probably be the best LB in the league for the majority of that time
it's the same situation with stones he could very well become one of the best CBs in the league and you will get the same service out of him too he's certainly very talented and the potential is there for him to become a quality CB.
I think £30-35 million with evans isn't a bad bit of business in the long term. He looks chelsea bound though.
we paid £30 million for him but we will get 10-12 years of quality out of him and will probably be the best LB in the league for the majority of that time
it's the same situation with stones he could very well become one of the best CBs in the league and you will get the same service out of him too he's certainly very talented and the potential is there for him to become a quality CB.
I think £30-35 million with evans isn't a bad bit of business in the long term. He looks chelsea bound though.
Are you saying McNair is as good as Stones, surley your not saying he could be better...
I think LVG and Giggs have enough young talent to nurture at the moment, and adding Stones to the list won't turn this team into title contenders so there are other areas which are an higher priority.
It's a bizarre way to look at it. Money clearly isn't an issue and signing a young player who could be a fixture in the side for a decade is smart business.
Are the players to make us title contenders going to come in if we don't buy him? It doesn't look like it.
Top talent and we'd be mad not to be interested.
Meh. He is no Joe Gomez
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Damn. I was so close to taking this bait.
This really is a no brainer for everyone involved. Chelsea are in desperate need of a defender given their start to the season and it finally looking like terry's time is almost up. He can probably see that that's the case and will likely be starting from the of plus he'll be working with a manager that has made Cahill look a decent quality manager.
But he can be if given the chance. He's also a ball playing CB which LVG likes because he's played in the midfield before. All am saying I will give McNair a chance rather than throwing 40M on Stones.
i think mcnair can be a very good one for us if we give him a chance...it wont always be pretty, because younger players are like that...but you have to take the chance though
This looks like a Cahill like signing for Chelsea. Even if they do not play him, they are building for the future and phasing our Terry from the starting XI. Sad to say but Terry, Cahill, Zouma and Stones is a good CB combination as compared to what we currently have.
Not to forget City's Kompany, Demichellis, Otamendi, Mangala.
I so want the Evans + cash swap to happen but do not think LVG will go for him. Stones and good CF would just complete our most successful transfer window ever!
Not to forget City's Kompany, Demichellis, Otamendi, Mangala.
I so want the Evans + cash swap to happen but do not think LVG will go for him. Stones and good CF would just complete our most successful transfer window ever!
He's not that good.
How can people say Stones is more talented than Jones? Jones showed far more defensive capability at a younger age, fair enough that Jones may not truly realise his potential but I disagree with anybody who says that Stones is outright more talented or has more potential than Jones.
I don't think this is a talent like Micha Richards, Phil Jagielka, Michael Dawson, Matthew Upson etc. This guy is one of those that you can spot from a mile away and only come once every generation. I'm talking a guy like Campbell, Terry, Ferdinand, Adams (and many more greats).
The progress pattern indicates he's something special - having a few calm seasons off the radar to learn and then within one season stepping up his game to become a vital part of the team.
I don't think we could afford losing out on a player like this. €35m is not much to ask for if that's the kind of talent we're talking about. Even at this stage he's probably worth a good $15m.
The progress pattern indicates he's something special - having a few calm seasons off the radar to learn and then within one season stepping up his game to become a vital part of the team.
I don't think we could afford losing out on a player like this. €35m is not much to ask for if that's the kind of talent we're talking about. Even at this stage he's probably worth a good $15m.
I disagree. Surely you would acknowledge that Smalling is not as good at bringing the ball out of the back as say Kompany,Koscielny,Terry. Now I specifically mentioned only these 3 because these are players who are playing at Top 4 clubs. And even at our club Blind is far better at it as well.
This isn't meant as a criticism against Smalling. He does many other things better but his on the ball skills are not that great.
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Shaw was one of the best right backs in the league. Big difference because stones isn't one of the best central defenders.
...in a league which already doesn't have many good defenders.
Shaw had only played one full season when we signed him we took a risk on Shaw, stones is showing just as much potential as Shaw and will only keep getting better. I've no doubt stones will become one of the best CB in the league, he already plays beyond his years like Shaw.
Even with my extensive Football Manager knowledge, I hadn't even heard of Stones until last season. £40m is insane for a defender.
It was Terry that made Cahill look good.
Weird, he was great in the season we came 5th also.
He was even better as a left back!
This is one of those situations where we should sneak in at the last moment and nick him from Chelsea, just because we can. Payback!
40m wow, Everton have played this well forced Chelsea through their desperation to pay well over the odds and they can get a decent replacement for 10-15m. They only bought him for 3m!
That season didn't happen.
That does sound like a lot - surely it will be more like 35m plus add ons if chelsea win the league / cl in the next few years?
As for a replacement they can certainly have evens for 10m as far as I'm concerned.
It's weird that we have said absolutely nothing about this. Interested to hear what Martinez says before the game tonight. Ideal situation is we announce Mori and tell Chelsea to feck off. 
Stones does look nailed on to be one of the best centre backs in the league and he does fit LvG's playing style better than any of our senior centre backs, but we'd be complete fools to spend £30m on him. We don't need him at all. If we need a new centre back it needs to be an experienced one to marshal the defence, not one still developing. For Chelsea it makes complete sense because they do need him that badly.
I'm amazed at how under-appreciated Jones is on the ball. Here's a couple of examples of his passing while playing in midfield against Madrid in what was probably our most important game of the season in 12/13. Not exactly lacking composure or vision.
Jones will be a star. Smalling's so dominant at the moment that van Gaal will hopefully overlook his ball-playing shortcomings and McNair looks very, very promising. He deserves a chance. Anyone that performed as he did against Chelsea would be seen as a very promising young centre back - the idea that we're impressed just because he's a United player is rubbish, IMO.
I'm amazed at how under-appreciated Jones is on the ball. Here's a couple of examples of his passing while playing in midfield against Madrid in what was probably our most important game of the season in 12/13. Not exactly lacking composure or vision.
Jones will be a star. Smalling's so dominant at the moment that van Gaal will hopefully overlook his ball-playing shortcomings and McNair looks very, very promising. He deserves a chance. Anyone that performed as he did against Chelsea would be seen as a very promising young centre back - the idea that we're impressed just because he's a United player is rubbish, IMO.
That's not what you were saying to start with, you said he had limited ability, I disagree as he is significantly improved his on the ball skills and has left the defence on many occasion and pushed up field with the ball. He has also always been very comfortable on the ball and has been our version of Rio over the last half season and beginning of this season. I'm not saying he's at the same level as Rio but he's on the right track.
Anyway back to Stones, I would love United to go and buy him, if Fergie was still in charge then I would've expected him to go for him. He is a real talent and will be worth the £40m he's expected to cost, as the years of service you will get will repay it. We bought Rio for £30m years ago, so the rate for a future top English defender hasn't increased much.
Smalling has an actual midfielder plying his trade in defence next to him and two defensive midfielders in front of him, he can get away not being particularly great at taking the ball out of defence.
If you're saying Shaw had only played one PL season, then Stones has not played any full PL seasons with Everton. Shaw still has more PL appearances with Southampton than Stones has with Everton.
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