A 20 year-old with 9 goals who no one has heard of 6 months ago. Bought by Atalanta last summer. Hs marker value back then? 4.5 million euros. Oh, we overpaid alright. Even for our standards.
John Murtough Sack Watch
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That’s because we do things in the transfer market that others don’t even dream of don’t forget…..
Murtough has to go. Part of a massive clear out.
Every know in the last summer that we need a proven ST. Last season we struggled to score and were lucky that Rashford was on purple patch. Everyone also know that a 20 year old can't be leading a club as big as Man Utd week in week out.
Murtough did exactly the opposite and splashed big money on Hojlund. What a genius DOF.
Murtough did exactly the opposite and splashed big money on Hojlund. What a genius DOF.
Let's hope this aberration is something we can laugh about in a few years.
This guy has been hiding behind Woodworth for years. And his supporters always push all the blame to Woodworth for his many failures.
Now, Woodworth is long gone but the problems at the club are still exactly the same. I think Murtough has been in charge of "football side" under Woodworth all the while and hence there is no difference whether Woodworth is still here or not.
Woodworth knows nothing about football and I think he relied largely on Murtough. As I said, I think the trio of Woodworth, Arnold and Murtough should all go in order to have any meaningful changes
https://www.skysports.com/football/...ing-him-would-solve-nothing-says-gary-neville
Now, Woodworth is long gone but the problems at the club are still exactly the same. I think Murtough has been in charge of "football side" under Woodworth all the while and hence there is no difference whether Woodworth is still here or not.
Woodworth knows nothing about football and I think he relied largely on Murtough. As I said, I think the trio of Woodworth, Arnold and Murtough should all go in order to have any meaningful changes
https://www.skysports.com/football/...ing-him-would-solve-nothing-says-gary-neville
Right now, he is a way below-average EPL striker. I have yet to see anything from him that he will be any good. Young Martial, Rashford, Greenwood were miles better at this stage of their career.
We don’t know who woodworth is, perhaps that’s why he’s good at hiding. We can’t find him!
by the way Woodward is long gone, Arnold is gone (gardening leave) already
Woodworth 
More like Woodworthless
More like Woodworthless
I agree but I couldn't help have a chuckle at you getting Woodward's name wrong not once not twice but seven times in your post.
They’re all toast if Sir Jim comes in. Easiest and cheapest way to get fans onside, Murtough’s head on a spit outside OT.
Partly thanks to Murtough.
Murtough barely became a DoF by the time Woodward was sacked. It all happened in the same season, what are you on about? Woodward called all the shots for all those years up to the season he was sacked.
Hey man, Woodworth was the Glaziers yes man. He’s the whole reason Mancetter United are in this pinkle!
Or Jack and Vera Woodworth out of Correlation Street!I thought he was talking about William Wordsworth initially.
The Athletic seem to have gone quite tough on Murtough.
It basically confirmed my fears about Murtough. Its surprisingly how many excellent posters (no sarcasm here) had decided to die on that particular hill considering who hired the guy in the first place. Had Woodward ever done a solid football decision to start with?
Seems to miss out the bit when Ten Hag got us to sack Ralf Rangnick who would've had a lot of these alleged things.
I very much doubt that Rangnick was sacked on ETH's instructions. I believe that Ralf's career at United was doomed the moment he uttered the famous open heart surgery quote.
Yes, but to me that is also indicative of the structural failures of the club. Not that ten Have was right, and I agree Rangnick would have been a major improvement.
Doesn't take a genius to realise he is inept at his responsibilities just a little critical thinking. Competence is easily discerned in management.
Woodward was without doubt clueless in football. Every man and his dog accepted that. What I fount shocking is that there were very valid people who believed that he was somehow able to appoint the right DOF for us. That's quite shocking considering that the DOF was supposed to be somehow at the top of our football pyramid.
Probably because that didn't happen.
The bit I most agree with is, that the club is so, so easily swayed by public perception and that drives a lot of the decision making. It's funny, how the same people crying about the lack of structure would've been singing "back the manager", "needs his own players", "manager must have the final say" off the hymn sheet just a year ago which is precisely how the club has acted.
The other aspect of it is, that the fans and the overwhelming public perception has always ended up on the wrong side of the arguement in the last 10 years. So the weak leadership were led by a very poor but vocal fanbase that is completely out of touch with modern football.
The other aspect of it is, that the fans and the overwhelming public perception has always ended up on the wrong side of the arguement in the last 10 years. So the weak leadership were led by a very poor but vocal fanbase that is completely out of touch with modern football.
That's a bit much. His background is not too dissimilar to Ashworth's. DOF may not be the role for him but we are talking about someone with experience in the field and presumably not an idiot otherwise he wouldn't have been appointed as the the PL Head of elite development, he also did a good job restructuring our academy.
I was always critical towards Murtough's appointment. I thought that he was a Woodward's crony and he lacked the experience to cover such sensitive role especially considering that he'll probably would get little support from the top brass. However tbf to him, SAF left us an extremely outdated system to work with. Don't take me wrong, its suited him because that meant less red tape for him. However it was evident that once SAF gone, United would be left with a crater on the football side of things. Which is why I wanted the best in class in the role. Resistance to change was imminent and as said backing from the top was set to be close to nil. We needed people to come in, who knew how to handle the huge expectations and had the reputation to work with the likes of SAF and earn his reputation. The Everton guy wasn't that man. Its like having Silvester Stallone discussing boxing with the likes of Holyfield, Foreman and Tyson.
This is always more damning. Getting a job beyond your station and growing into it is perfectly doable, that we have so many at the club who cannot shows doubly dire assessors who should be chopped too.
Murtough's experience was in the academy. Ashworth's role, particularly at Brighton focused on recruitment. Recruitment especially in today's football is no joke. There's so much to take in account including the player's character, if his skills matches what the manager wants, if the player is available (and the club needs to know that asap else other club will have more time to 'court' him) and how to negotiate a deal. You also have to have the right people to handle various aspects of the deal including scouting (thus you always have a plan B and a Plan C if needed) and negotiating. Its evident that Murtough was out of depth on that regard
Both of their experience was at academy level before becoming head of elite development, Murtough was also a football analyst for Everton including on the recruitment side of things. Their background while not identical are similar up until the point where they each get a sporting director job.
The point being that the issue with Murtough isn't his background or his experience, he simply happens to not be a good sporting director. It's not rare for people to deserve a chance in a different role but end up not being a good fit. We can be critical of Murtough without pretending that he didn't have experience in the field and also was competent in his roles.
I haven't done deep research on Ashworth yet but from the little I read about his role at WBA and Brighton he was basically a DOF there.
https://www.expressandstar.com/spor...-reveals-how-he-found-diamonds-for-west-brom/
https://www.ucfb.ac.uk/news/brighton-s-dan-ashworth-describes-role-of-technical-director/
Murtough at Everton. He was more of a development/academy guy
https://www.transfermarkt.com/john-murtough/profil/trainer/100862
Also the way he treated Butt and SAF is beyond hilarious and that's coming from someone who had criticized too much legends involvement in the club. To literally backstab Nicky Butt + not allowing SAF ample time to talk to Jude Bellingham is both stupid and counterproductive
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F'n hilarious. Banter club era in full swing.
Can't wait for the Netflix documentary about how England's most successful club went down the drain.
I'm not going to be that dickhead that says "I called this ages ago" but I am definitely a dickhead who called this ages ago.
Our entire structure is filled with people "learning on the job", who are expected to learn from other people learning on the job, overseen by people who have no experience to be able to tell the people learning on the job that they're learning the wrong things.
Yes, the chain is excessive; a few blaggers, OK, but if the chain has no ending, well... you get what we have.
You'd never have thought the club could be driven into the ground to this extent when all the descent first began, but by now, you're just wishing it'd stop so we can get started on our Shawshank Redemption arc.