Well that may be true, but he's still 29 and he's still barely more than a journeyman. Even 15m is crazy money for that situation, and for any less than that I can't see the sense of Atletico selling him.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Well that may be true, but he's still 29 and he's still barely more than a journeyman. Even 15m is crazy money for that situation, and for any less than that I can't see the sense of Atletico selling him.
I also find it sad that Evans, Smalling and Jones have waited patiently for Vidic and Ferdinand to stand aside and now that they have, everyone wants to sign a new CB.
Do they have to wait until they are 29 before we give them a real chance at forming a CB partnership?
People talk about experience. Evans and Smalling have more Champions League experience than Miranda.
Evans and Smalling are 26 and 24. They should be our CB partnership for next season. If there is an injury to one of them, like so many seem to fear is inevitable, Jones steps in.
Do they have to wait until they are 29 before we give them a real chance at forming a CB partnership?
People talk about experience. Evans and Smalling have more Champions League experience than Miranda.
Evans and Smalling are 26 and 24. They should be our CB partnership for next season. If there is an injury to one of them, like so many seem to fear is inevitable, Jones steps in.
None of them can stay consistently fit which is why we need another option at CB.
We have had Jones, Rio, Vidic, Smalling and Evans in our squad and still end up having Carrick at CB at some point every season. We have lost two of them.
WE HAVE TO SIGN A CB.
Michael Keane can be 4th choice as back up and Carrick as 5th choice. Fellaini can be 6th choice.
No Champions League next season.
Michael Keane can be 4th choice as back up and Carrick as 5th choice. Fellaini can be 6th choice.
No Champions League next season.
Replacing Rio and Vidic with Keane. You are deluded.
Evans and Smalling are replacing Vidic and Ferdinand. Keane is the young CB coming through as 4th choice CB. Back in 1995 we were deluded too, didn't turn out too bad.
So you're happy for us to end up with Keane and Carrick as a CB pairing at some point? Because that's exactly what will happen if we don't sign a CB. Lets not forget Rafael also likes to get injured as well. We could end up having Smalling/Jones pushed out to RB if Varela isn't ready yet.
Yeah because football is the same as 1995.
We need a CB, everything else is stupid. A big club like ours can't play with 3 injury-prone CBs (2 of them maybe used at RB too) and as 4th choice someone like Keane. We need one, established CB, who isn't injured the whole time. We Are Manchster United, not the "give Jones and Smalling as much playtime as possible" company. One of them will get a chance as starter and will show us if he is good enough, the other one will play enough games too. Our back 4 is a little bit overrated here.
Smalling and Jones should never play RB. You have assumed the 3 first choice CBs are all injured. Why not assume Miranda gets injured in his first match? You are assuming the worst right? So why not assume Keane and Carrick also get injured?
1995, 1985, 1955. Football is football.
Wrong.
Sugar daddehs have changed modern football. It's all about immediate results, and you don't get immediate consistent results with a team full of kids. The standard of competition in the PL today to how it was back in 1995 is massive. It's a far harder division today than it even was back in 2005 let alone 1995.
If we had 5 CB's the last couple seasons and still end up having Carrick at CB, I have the right to assume the worst. Our CB's injury records (and Rafael's) is atrocious. If we go into next season without signing a CB we are setting up to fail.
We're not assuming the worst, we're assuming the most likely. Jones, Evans and Smalling are all injury prone, we know this because every year they have been here, they have been going to prolonged injury spells. We used to be able to deal with that because we had Vidic and Ferdinand as experienced back ups. Both of them are gone now, which means that it is very likely if we stick to Jones, Smalling and Evans; we're very likely to end up with one of them being injurred meaning we'll have to constantly play the other 2 with no other options to replace them with, if they are in a bad form we'll have a problem on our hands at CB. If one of them gets a suspension, we'll only have one natural centreback with the nesc experience, meaning we'll have to fall back on Carrick or Keane to fill in for the other spot, which will means we'll have an even bigger defensive problem on our hands since neither Carrick nor keane is ideal for the play at CB (for the moment). God forbid and all 3 of them get injurred at the same time like (happend this season at some point, and continued for several games) we'll have no reliable player for centreback at all in the team, which would be an absolute nightmare scenario (that is quite realistic to happen, not worst kind scenario either, worst kind would be if keane is absolutley not ready or gets injurred and Carrick gets injurred to, than we can start playing Rooney, Fletcher or Valencia at centreback.....
Be real about this, all 3 are injurry prone, none of them are established reliable centreback for us (quality wise, they have all 3 received loads of criticism when playing). With Vidic and Ferdinand gone it is a necessity for us to add atleast one centreback to the team that is good enough to play when he has to, and it is an opportunity for us to increase the quality at centreback if we could bring in a top player (or atleast somebody who is better than what we have). Doesn't matter weither we buy somebody cheap to have as backup or buy a quality player to start, we just need to add atleast one player to the centreback, if we don't do that we'll be commiting defensive suicide.
right, he have already been in trouble at the back and lost Rio and Vida. We needed a proper RB back-up anyway to keep our CB away from that duty and with 2 CB gone, 1 CB has to brought in with Keane covering in terms of numbers in the squad.
I think we could have easily got Garay but somehow we are always overlook him. Same mistake as with Strootman!
I think we could have easily got Garay but somehow we are always overlook him. Same mistake as with Strootman!
30 Million Euros is defo the going rate for a world class defender at the peak of their powers......Miranda would be an awesome signing and seems like a very realistic signing too unless Barca are serious about him but supposedly they prefer Marquinhos
Miranda is now World Class too? Brazil are going to be unbeatable with 4 World Class CBs at their disposal.
Do you have any other CB in mind that you'd rather see us sign?
I'm not hoping for a new CB. I want a new midfield. If forced at gunpoint to consider CBs I would start by looking at his teammate, the CB who is better and younger.
Forced at gun point? You think our current options are enough?
I would start the season with Evans and Smalling and play them every game so they settle into a CB partnership. At the end of season they can be judged on how they performed over the course of the season playing in a settled CB partnership consistently, no chopping and changing. If we were to buy a CB, then would have no problem if we bought a back up LCB. Martins Indi would do as back up for Evans. I don't think it is priority though, the midfield is priority, we need minimum of 3 midfielders to replace the average midfielders we have. The rest of the squad is fine. The midfield is the only area that needs addressing.
I think we're nailed on to sign BMI. The likes if Hummels and Benatia are pipe dreams. LVG adore left footed centre packs and has already openly declared his love for BMI.
It'd be at a stretch, okay, if our current CBs werent made of glass. They're too injury prone to put it bluntly.
No way he'll sign for us
It would be an absolute mistake.
he's 29 and will play 5 more years (6M per year without wages)
When we can have Hummels at 35M, one of the best around and he's 24
It would be an absolute mistake.
he's 29 and will play 5 more years (6M per year without wages)
When we can have Hummels at 35M, one of the best around and he's 24
Why does everyone assume Hummels is possible? He is the least likely CB we could sign.
I'd rather we signed Thiago Silva for 20mil and Varane for 15mil.
Because Van Gaal would like to have him (multiple sources).
Because Dortmund can't refuse a 35M + Shinji offer for him
Thiago Silva cost Paris 40M 2 years ago.
And remember that we payed 17M£ for Jones, and 15 for Smalling FOR NOTHING
Pffft. Who cares about the other club not agreeing to it man? If we're giving Dortmund 35mil and simply picking up Hummels on the flight back, I think we should do the same for Silva and Varane.
I would prefer more Ronaldo for 6m and Messi for 7m.
I'm sure Van Gaal would like to have many players doesn't mean we'll get them.
Dortmund have no need for Shinji, and I'm sure they'll be able to get twice as much for Hummels especially when you consider David Luiz a far inferior defender was sold for 50M.
Psg and Real Madrid have no reason to sell anyone.
We probably have a better chance at hummels than silva or varane.
Also this "giving Dortmund 35mil and simply picking up Hummels on the flight back" is a pre-oil club mentality. PSG are paying 50m for David frigging Luiz for Gods sake.
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Since when does Real Madrid follow logic?
Id rather we didnt spend £30m on a 29yr old CB who cant get into the Brazil squad ahead of Luiz et al.
Someone like Lescott would be a decent backup with prem experience.
I want to see Evans and Jones/Smalling given a fair crack.
Someone like Lescott would be a decent backup with prem experience.
I want to see Evans and Jones/Smalling given a fair crack.
They will sell benzema to get money for suraez/aguero.
They sold Ozil to pay for half of Bale.
Their transfer strategy makes sense, and they dont have to pay tens of millions in debt payments every year so they are able to buy whoever they want.
Thank you Glazers!
Fellaini mark 2.....can't wait
And pigs will soon grow wings and start to fly
Except he will cost £27 million less. So not really.
Didnt I make it obvious enough?