GledTheRed straying into Nathan Delfounso and Scholesy territory
Hey i once tipped Matt Fryatt for greatness
Joao Miranda
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Hey i once tipped Matt Fryatt for greatness
We are offering 5.5. million euros per year. Allegedly.
http://soccerlens.com/manchester-united-trigger-30m-release-clause-atletico-star/140371/
http://soccerlens.com/manchester-united-trigger-30m-release-clause-atletico-star/140371/
GTR's logic isn't flawed. That's a lot of money for a 30 year old center half who may or not pan out in a much more physical league. But Caulker hasn't kicked on since his impressive stint at Swansea and he shouldn't be an isn't a United target.
I think there were one or two people who went as far as saying he was the best CB in La Liga in 12-13 season. I didn't rate him as highly and I think his partner Godín is better, but he's still very good and an established CB for the CL finalists and La Liga champions.
Why is Miranda not playing CB with Thiago Silva at the World Cup?
His not even going to Brazil neither Filipe Luis very strange decision by Scolari.
7.41 Jones 15xCB
7.27 Smalling 12xCB
7.25 Vidic 29xCB
7.14 Miranda 45xCB
7.12 Evans 20xCB
6.85 Ferdinand 19xCB
Personally I would rather stick with Evans, Smalling and Jones and not just assume 29yo Miranda is better because he played for a strong team under a strong manager. If he was some WC beast of a player, he would not be 5th or lower in pecking order of Brazilian CBs.
7.27 Smalling 12xCB
7.25 Vidic 29xCB
7.14 Miranda 45xCB
7.12 Evans 20xCB
6.85 Ferdinand 19xCB
Personally I would rather stick with Evans, Smalling and Jones and not just assume 29yo Miranda is better because he played for a strong team under a strong manager. If he was some WC beast of a player, he would not be 5th or lower in pecking order of Brazilian CBs.
So why is Filipe Luis not in the squad at LB?
Nothing to do with assuming. Miranda is better than all of our CB's.
Like that WC beast Kleberson?
Last season Atletico Madrid were better than us. All the seasons before last, we were better than Atletico Madrid. All the players of Atletico Madrid are not automatically better than all the players of Manchester United. Take one of the players out of Atletico Madrid, they are no longer part of a strong team playing for a strong manager. You assume Miranda is better than all our CBs because Atletico Madrid were a strong team this season. You forget we had a ginger donkey in charge of us.
7.44 Godin 44xCB
Why do we not try and sign the CB who is better and younger and who has been and is going to the World Cup?
Which of our current CB's are better?
Smalling and Jones have the potential to be better. That's it. Doesn't mean they will be.
And it looks like you are judging CBs from ratings on a website. That's a bit naive.
Smalling and Jones have the potential to be better. That's it. Doesn't mean they will be.
And it looks like you are judging CBs from ratings on a website. That's a bit naive.
I would be more than fine with playing either Evans and Smalling, Evans and Jones or Jones and Smalling as our CB partnership all season. Then at the end of the season, judge them and see how they performed as a settled CB partnership.
Because he's 29 and at that age, footballers are "too old" and useless
.....I don't get it sometimes.It's probably some football managing games, making people obsessed with players' age. It seems like a trend that everyone older than 27 are already highly questionable signings for many supporters.Because he's 29 and at that age, footballers are "too old" and useless
Of course high age and big money combined, player has to be a success right away. Miranda looks like a very good signing to me, no problems with injuries, hasn't lost any pace.
Club wants to sign a player at his peak? Preposterous.
Schweinsteiger 29, better than all our midfielders. Miranda 29, no better than the defenders we already have. That's the difference.
Except for the fact that he actually is... I'm a big advocate in keeping what we have, but if we are to sign a CB, it should be one like this; one in his peak and who has played well at the top level.
They're both better than both.
I think if he was 29 and £10m it would not even be debated, but the high money is a bit of a risk really.
He must definitely be someone Van Gaal has scouted to fit his system.
To be fair even SAF was usually against these deals especially when big money was involved
Realistically, LVG is only concerned about the next few years, this is not a long term "project" for him given his age. I expect a few short term fixes like this.
Exactly, we need an experienced defender and Miranda fits the bill, Athletico didn't do too shabby last season, and being a team that doesn't rotate much I'm sure he played a major role.
But why would he be so cheap? He's just come off 2 brilliant seasons at Atletico, and was part of the best defensive unit in Spain, that also got to the Champs league final. If we're willing to overspend on English youngsters then we'll have to spend plenty on proven class. 29 isn't that old for a centre back anyway, he can go for a good few more years.
Our defenders are overrated IMO and injury prone at that. There's massive potential in a Jones and Smalling partnership, but they're still not there yet. Evans is our best defender and he suffers a feck load of injuries too.
We need a leader who can stay fit.
7.44 Godin 44xCB
Why do we not try and sign the CB who is better and younger and who has been and is going to the World Cup?
Don't know what your numbers mean but I disagree. Miranda is better than Godín, only about 1.5 years older and would be going to the World Cup if he was the same nationality as Godín (he should be going anyway).
The concern is because of the price, his age, him coming from the Spanish League and from Atletico. They were a very well drilled unit defensively, much better than the sum of it's parts and I'm still not sure of the quality of each individual player. Plus you rarely see a defender moving from Spain to England for such a high price at Miranda's age. Now, if he had performed elsewhere, either his country or another club, at a similar level then I'd have no problems with going for him. There is still more than some doubt in my mind if moving for him at the quoted prices is the smartest idea. It seems that any player we go for these days seems to be quoted above 30 million.
I think that's the point though. Some people would rather spend £30M on a young talent like Varane who will sted us well in the future. £30M for a 29 year old is very high, especially a defender. Not saying he would not be worth it, but if he fails to adapt to the english league it's big money wasted and little resale value.
They would realistically let him go for around £20M I would expect.
I can't believe people are suggesting Caulker. Yes, sign more potential. If he was so good, why did Spurs let him go especially with King retiring?
We already got two centre backs, who we don't even play there and because of that they haven't kicked on. We need a experienced defender as cover or competition for Evans.
We already got two centre backs, who we don't even play there and because of that they haven't kicked on. We need a experienced defender as cover or competition for Evans.
I think it's 30 Million Euro, so about £25 Million.
Varane would cost a lot more than £30m.
I think Godin's better but you could argue either way.
What is it with you and these mind boggingly shit stats you're using to try and prove something? F*cking hell, anyone who actually watches the games can see Miranda has been a far better player in the last 2-3 years than any of the above.
Aye. I prefer Miranda but there isn't a huge amount of difference between them either way.
I can't beleive it but I actually find myself agreeing with JefferiesTube. I understand the logic in wanting an established leader in the back 4 but for the combination of the asking price and his age it seems to much of a risk, clearly I don't rate the guy as highly as lot here but if we are going to be going down this route there are surely better options out there? I think Smalling and Jones are underrated almost universally and people seem to forget their performances at CB and remember those at RB and CM. Once they're player regularly in a settled back 4 under a manager who knows what he is doing they will flurish.
That's why I said LIKE Varane, obviously he is unattainable now, but a defender in a similar situation as when madrid bought him would be ideal.
You cannot trust them to stay fit. Besides, we lost two experienced CB's and need someone who knows how to keep a clean sheet and win at a high level. Garay would have been good as well. £25 Million for Miranda will look decent if he gives us 4-5 years of top work. The only way I can see it looking like a bad transfer is if he gets injured.
I personally think Jones has shown very little to prove he can be a starting CB for us. Too many mistakes and he's injured too much. I know he's young, but shifting him around in different positions hasn't helped him and we need better. Smalling and Evans have both shown much more.
Maybe, if they manage to stay fit, which they can't seem to do. Once one of them comes back from injury, the other will be ruled out for weeks. It's been a constant theme.
Well, Jones was in a similar position when we paid £16m, very highly rated and a lot of people thought we actually got the better of the two players at the time. There's just no guarantee with youngsters, especially defenders who generally peak later than wingers and forwards, and whose youthful tendencies are more costly to the team.
Sometimes you have to bite the bullet and go for experience, something SAF seemed largely unwilling to do in recent times with our midfield and defense, and look at the position they're in now. We're clearly in need of a top, experienced center back. £24m is probably too much for a 29 year old but if van Gaal thinks he needs someone like that in the heart of our defense then I trust him on it.