Joao Miranda

ivaldo said:
He's really not a DM, he's a CB
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His best performances seems to indicate the opposite.

Also, his main weakness as CB (the desire to get the ball at all costs, zealotness) is one of the quality's that make him a world beater as a defensive midfielder.

IMO, Jones as CB can't display all of his attributes. He can't influence the game as i know he can do it from Midfield. You limit him, limit his energy, his speed, his stamina and workrate.

Is no surprise with him in midfield, we usually play our best football.


so yeah... hopefully we get a experienced CB to play alongside Smalling/Evans and maybe a promoted kid. Letting Jones take more responsibilities.
 
George Owen said:
His best performances seems to indicate the opposite.

Also, his main weakness as CB (the desire to get the ball at all costs, zealotness) is one of the quality's that make him a world beater as a defensive midfielder.

IMO, Jones as CB can't display all of his attributes. He can't influence the game as i know he can do it from Midfield. You limit him, limit his energy, his speed, his stamina and workrate.

Is no surprise with him in midfield, we usually play our best football.


so yeah... hopefully we get a experienced CB to play alongside Smalling/Evans and maybe a promoted kid. Letting Jones take more responsibilities.
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I disagree there, he may have seemed OK whilst playing centre midfield because our other options are either not up to it or woefully immobile. Patience is something that can be instilled and if he'd have been played more regularly at CB then he probably would have it already.

Defensively he is absolutely fine to play there but its everything else that goes along with it. Look at every top DM in the world, they're all incredibly comfortable on the ball and are happy to receive the ball back to goal in tight spaces, they act as the link man between defense and midfield - ball retention is as much a part of a modern defensive midfielder as tackling and positioning. Can you honestly see him being capable of that? He certainly hasn't displayed those qualities in midfield in the past.

You list stamina, speed, work rate and energy as his main strengths, 3 of those things are, in their most effective form basically the same thing. I agree CB isn't the best place for that work rate but his pace will be hugely useful there. He has everything to be a top CB and not a DM.
 
miranda's been the best defender in la liga comfortably for 2 seasons now. would absolutely love to have him.
 
Malva said:
miranda's been the best defender in la liga comfortably for 2 seasons now. would absolutely love to have him.
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Really? I got the impression Godin was better last year.
 
ivaldo said:
Defensively he is absolutely fine to play there but its everything else that goes along with it. Look at every top DM in the world, they're all incredibly comfortable on the ball and are happy to receive the ball back to goal in tight spaces, they act as the link man between defense and midfield - ball retention is as much a part of a modern defensive midfielder as tackling and positioning. Can you honestly see him being capable of that? He certainly hasn't displayed those qualities in midfield in the past.
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Absolutely. Phil Jones is way more comfortable on the ball as people here believe.


 
George Owen said:
Absolutely. Phil Jones is way more comfortable on the ball as people here believe.


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Why have you posted the Real Madrid game? It just reinforces my point!!! Miscontrol and a lot of misplaced passing, yes defensively he was great and had a good game but he gave the ball away a lot. This genuinely is a terrible, terrible example of a player who is comfortable on the ball.
 
I Dont get it. How can we ever spend this much as reported on a defender this old? I know Silva wasnt young going to PSG, but he was atleast younger than 29. I dont see it as good business. I'd rather spend that on Varane, Bonucci, or whoever.
 
ivaldo said:
Why have you posted the Real Madrid game? It just reinforces my point!!! Miscontrol and a lot of misplaced passing, yes defensively he was great and had a good game but he gave the ball away a lot. This genuinely is a terrible, terrible example of a player who is comfortable on the ball.
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Because that's the only 2 videos i could find on youtube.

Anyway, i think now you are just replying for the sake of replying. Phil Jones was brilliant at Madrid, and one of the main reasons we get away from there with a point. You probably didn't watch the clip nor the game.
 
Suus said:
I Dont get it. How can we ever spend this much as reported on a defender this old? I know Silva wasnt young going to PSG, but he was atleast younger than 29. I dont see it as good business. I'd rather spend that on Varane, Bonucci, or whoever.
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It isn't going to happen anyway. All the reliable journos here have said we have no interest in him.
 
George Owen said:
Because that's the only 2 videos i could find on youtube.

Anyway, i think now you are just replying for the sake of replying. Phil Jones was brilliant at Madrid, and one of the main reasons we get away from there with a point. You probably didn't watch the clip nor the game.
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What are you 7? Yes i watched the game and yes i watched the clip, hence my direct reference to it. Did you watch the clip before posting it? If that's the best you can find on YouTube theres a good reason for it, you can find good passing displays from even the most mediocre players. Then when you look at the very best DMs in the world you'll see they're a world apart. Seriously watch that Madrid game and focus purely on his passing, can honestly tell me that aspect of his game was a good performance? Its one thing having the odd good game when you've been given a specific role but can he do that for the majority of the season? The answer is a resounding no. You posted that video in direct response toy questioning of his passing and how comfortable he was on the ball, it really doesn't show that.

I'm not knocking Jones I think he's got the potential to be a superb defender but never a defensive midfielder, there's just too many weaknesses in his game for that.
 
ivaldo said:
What are you 7? Yes i watched the game and yes i watched the clip, hence my direct reference to it. Did you watch the clip before posting it? If that's the best you can find on YouTube theres a good reason for it, you can find good passing displays from even the most mediocre players. Then when you look at the very best DMs in the world you'll see they're a world apart. Seriously watch that Madrid game and focus purely on his passing, can honestly tell me that aspect of his game was a good performance? Its one thing having the odd good game when you've been given a specific role but can he do that for the majority of the season? The answer is a resounding no.

I'm not knocking Jones I think he's got the potential to be a superb defender but never a defensive midfielder, there's just too many weaknesses in his game for that.
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Yes, im 7.

You probably don't even remember how last year, around December, after playing like shit, we were playing our best football of the season with Phil Jones in midfield. We beat Shakhtar, West Ham, Stoke (at the Britannia), and Phil fecking Jones ran the show. He got injured after this patch and we went back to being average at best. after that he didn't play much. Why people don't notice stuff like this... beyond me. Probably a weak understanding of the game.
 
George Owen said:
Yes, im 7.

You probably don't even remember how last year, around December, after playing like shit, we were playing our best football of the season with Phil Jones in midfield. We beat Shakhtar, West Ham, Stoke (at the Britannia), and Phil fecking Jones ran the show. He got injured after this patch and we went back to being average at best. after that he didn't play much. Why people don't notice stuff like this... beyond me. Probably a weak understanding of the game.
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He didn't run the show, he created a balance in the midfield that we didn't have.
 
George Owen said:
Yes, im 7.

You probably don't even remember how last year, around December, after playing like shit, we were playing our best football of the season with Phil Jones in midfield. We beat Shakhtar, West Ham, Stoke (at the Britannia), and Phil fecking Jones ran the show. He got injured after this patch and we went back to being average at best. after that he didn't play much. Why people don't notice stuff like this... beyond me. Probably a weak understanding of the game.
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It would make sense, you seem to come to that conclusion on the basis that I have drawn a different opinion to you.

Pretty much what mitch said, gave the team a balance, doesn't make him a good DM. Frankly saying he ran the show is a little ridiculous.
 
Johan77 said:
Didn't he have a release clause somewhere close to that amount?
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I read somewhere that it is around 30 million euros or £24.2 million. I obviously don't know this for sure, but while most papers are terrible for printing transfer nonsense, I've found this summer that the Express are pretty much as bad as they come. It wouldn't surprise me if they've just plucked a figure from thin air that is actually over his release clause!
 
Very little talk of Hummels recently. Seems to be all Miranda or Vermaelen, which is a little disappointing, but more realistic if we're brutally honest.
 
To the tune of Beach Boys

Sign Miranda, Sign, Sign Miranda.
Sign Miranda, Sign, Sign Miranda
Sign Miranda, Sign, Sign Miranda
Sign Miranda, Sign, Sign Miranda.
Sign Miranda, Sign, Sign Miranda
Sign Miranda, Sign, Sign Miranda
Sign Miranda, Sign, Sign Miranda NOW
And get Vidal after that
 
Miranda is a no-brainer and would be the perfect signing bringing experience and maturity and is very gettable compared to other names
 
Sied said:
Very little talk of Hummels recently. Seems to be all Miranda or Vermaelen, which is a little disappointing, but more realistic if we're brutally honest.
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I don't know I think Miranda would be perfect, Vermaelen on form would be right up there too, but he is much more of a risk.
 
George Owen said:
Because that's the only 2 videos i could find on youtube.

Anyway, i think now you are just replying for the sake of replying. Phil Jones was brilliant at Madrid, and one of the main reasons we get away from there with a point. You probably didn't watch the clip nor the game.
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He played well the Makelele role but in no way he has shown anything on that game that he has good technique, or passing ability or that he's able to keep the ball under pressure. Which was basically the point of the other poster.

Jones may be useful on some very tough games when we are expected to be defensive but on games that we need to dominate (the absolute majority of league games) he won't be that good. Defensive wise he is brilliant, attacking wise and controling a game he is bad.
 
Ringo 07 said:
Miranda is a no-brainer and would be the perfect signing bringing experience and maturity and is very gettable compared to other names
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This, after the Shaw signing we need experience more than ever, winning the Spanish league isn't easy and Miranda clearly played a massive part.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
I don't know I think Miranda would be perfect, Vermaelen on form would be right up there too, but he is much more of a risk.
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I'm not saying either would be a bad fit, but surely we all have Hummels as our no.1 choice?
 
Sied said:
I'm not saying either would be a bad fit, but surely we all have Hummels as our no.1 choice?
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Oh yes undoubtedly but for this season it could be impossible IMO, so maybe best to get Miranda now before someone else snaps him up, he is a top player only draw back is that he's knocking on a bit now.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Oh yes undoubtedly but for this season it could be impossible IMO, so maybe best to get Miranda now before someone else snaps him up, he is a top player only draw back is that he's knocking on a bit now.
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Yep agreed. €30m buyout is obviously very very steep though, especially considering his age as you say. According to AS that is why this hasn't already happened though I suppose.
 
lysglimt said:
To the tune of Beach Boys

Sign Miranda, Sign, Sign Miranda.
Sign Miranda, Sign, Sign Miranda
Sign Miranda, Sign, Sign Miranda
Sign Miranda, Sign, Sign Miranda.
Sign Miranda, Sign, Sign Miranda
Sign Miranda, Sign, Sign Miranda
Sign Miranda, Sign, Sign Miranda NOW
And get Vidal after that
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You could said Barbara Ann :lol:
 
Sied said:
Yep agreed. €30m buyout is obviously very very steep though, especially considering his age as you say. According to AS that is why this hasn't already happened though I suppose.
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Surely some room to maneuver on that, like you that's probably why it hasn't happened yet, certainly won't be much, if any potential resale value that's for sure.
 
We need an experienced and elite organising midfielder now we've lost both Rio and Vidic so moving for him would make sense. Would love Mangala or Benatia though.
 
lysglimt said:
To the tune of Beach Boys

Sign Miranda, Sign, Sign Miranda.
Sign Miranda, Sign, Sign Miranda
Sign Miranda, Sign, Sign Miranda
Sign Miranda, Sign, Sign Miranda.
Sign Miranda, Sign, Sign Miranda
Sign Miranda, Sign, Sign Miranda
Sign Miranda, Sign, Sign Miranda NOW
And get Vidal after that
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Denigrating one of the greatest groups of all time into a novelty act with a single novelty song.
 
Gopher Brown said:
Denigrating one of the greatest groups of all time into a novelty act with a single novelty song.
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Considering one of them at one stage was so drunk that he tried to pick up his own daughter in a bar - I would say they managed that on their own.
But I agree about one of the greatest Groups :)
 
Sied said:
Very little talk of Hummels recently. Seems to be all Miranda or Vermaelen, which is a little disappointing, but more realistic if we're brutally honest.
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Miranda is defensively better than Hummels and less error prone. Vermaelen in the other hand is injury prone and doesn't have an ounce of confidence left in him.

Miranda would be a great signature despite his age.
 
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