Joao Felix | Signed for Atlético Madrid

[Fer]

Sancho and Havertz would cost the same as Felix.

Atlético will have one of the best young players. Felix has a good vision and scores a lot playing as a false 9 / No.10.

Do you know if there's a young No.10 that scores as much as him?

BTW, it seems that you don't rate Felix just because one game where he plays out of position. So, if Chiesa, Sancho, De Ligt, Havertz, Mbappe, etc have an awful game do you change your mind about the player? It seems that one game is more important than what Felix did during the whole season.

 

[Sly]

I won't even waste my time with Félix. It's like Sanches all over again. This has nothing to do with Sporting/Porto vs Benfica. This is common sense. He isn't worth 120m. Even Sanches, had proven more. He was european Champion with Portugal and had good performances in the CL against Bayern. Félix has a bit more than half a season at a second tier european league. He was atrocious for Portugal in the nations league. To be honest, i think he will become a very good player for Portugal, better than Sanches, but atm he isn't worth 120m. Not even 60. It's complete madness.

 

[mu4c_20le]

I won't even waste my time with Félix. It's like Sanches all over again.

From what i remember, Sanches was very physically developed at an early age and relied heavily on that. He never had the technique or intelligence that this kid does. So I don't see them being the same at all, other than the fact that they both came from the "Benfica hype machine". Time will tell if this deal was worth it, but I think Atletico have acquired a special talent.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Time will tell if this deal was worth it, but I think Atletico have acquired a special talent.

I had to look back in thread to find tweet or news item about this as I've heard nothing, eventually I found it started on the previous page because some redcafé user with less than 1000 posts, is also a user of another forum, and on that forum there's a dude, who has a mate, who saw Felix on a flight to Madrid, and..... believe it or not, Felix told random dude that he was signing for A. Madrid.

Some of you lot need mental help.

 

[Red Star One]

Give this boy some time and he’ll be ruthless. Well done Atleti.

 

[Sly]

From what i remember, Sanches was very physically developed at an early age and relied heavily on that. He never had the technique or intelligence that this kid does. So I don't see them being the same at all, other than the fact that they both came from the "Benfica hype machine". Time will tell if this deal was worth it, but I think Atletico have acquired a special talent.

You should have quoted all the post where i precisely hint that. The comparison is obviously regarding the hype. Félix will be without any doubt better than Sanches. I think he is already. But he's not worth the mentioned fee.

 

[Rozay]

I would be willing to bet a substantial amount that you will be proven wrong. Do you actually think he will flop or is it a Benfica/FCP thing?

There's a reason why that fee is not seen as outrageous - he is already a top player and will only get better. I think he is almost guaranteed to be world class as long as he is determined enough. I do agree it may take a couple of seasons for him to adjust though.

Ridiculous.

 

[Houdini]

Another TOP talent missed. We should have grabed him. 120 mil for the next big thing is a steal these days.

 

[AJ10]

Over 100 mil with 6 months of good form in............... Portugal.

 

[carvajal]

If confirmed it is a great signing for Atlético.
From what I have read they have worked hard to convince him.
I did not imagine that they could get him
The fans of Atlético are very grateful and will surely treat him with devotion.
Technically he is very good, people will love that touch of the ball. A luck for la liga

 

[AltiUn]

Another TOP talent missed. We should have grabed him. 120 mil for the next big thing is a steal these days.

I wish people would stop saying things like this, £120m is never a steal by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[bosnian_red]

Another TOP talent missed. We should have grabed him. 120 mil for the next big thing is a steal these days.

You're kidding right? Atletico are paying right now for the hope that he becomes worth €120m some time in the future... when right now he won't even be starting for them. So best case scenario for them is they won't even make money on him if they sell him on in his prime. But it's a massive risk because it's a young, raw player with basically very little experience. Wouldve been an idiotic signing for us, I dont care if he becomes the next Ronaldo, Uniteds not in the place to spend 120m on someone who wouldnt start for us right now.

 

[harms]

nor really even from Benfica as they'll still get big money for him in a year or two and they need his goals.

They won’t get 100+ millions for him unless he massively improves throughout the next season, which is not a given. And if he struggles, the bubble bursts instantly.

 

[Houdini]

You're kidding right? Atletico are paying right now for the hope that he becomes worth €120m some time in the future... when right now he won't even be starting for them. So best case scenario for them is they won't even make money on him if they sell him on in his prime. But it's a massive risk because it's a young, raw player with basically very little experience. Wouldve been an idiotic signing for us, I dont care if he becomes the next Ronaldo, Uniteds not in the place to spend 120m on someone who wouldnt start for us right now.

It is better to raise him up here than buy mercenaries or "proven" players like... eh.. Matic, Sanches, Fred, Darmian etc. Yes there is a gamble and 120 for any player is crazy. Unfortunately market is broken. I agree that you can find hidden gems for "cheap" but sometimes you have to take the risk and responsibility. I remember people complaining about Hazard's possible transfer because "he is not proven in the EPL" And we know the story...

 

[Florida Man]

Another TOP talent missed. We should have grabed him. 120 mil for the next big thing is a steal these days.

 

[B20]

How does he have a low center of gravity? He’s 5’11”. And being only 19, it’s possible he may even grow another inch or two.

Same height as Suarez whom I think has a quite low centre of gravity

 

[KennyBurner]

I won't even waste my time with Félix. It's like Sanches all over again. This has nothing to do with Sporting/Porto vs Benfica. This is common sense. He isn't worth 120m. Even Sanches, had proven more. He was european Champion with Portugal and had good performances in the CL against Bayern. Félix has a bit more than half a season at a second tier european league. He was atrocious for Portugal in the nations league. To be honest, i think he will become a very good player for Portugal, better than Sanches, but atm he isn't worth 120m. Not even 60. It's complete madness.

I dont know why you even waste you time explaining these things. Next year there will also be another unproven player worth 80 million or more. I remember when some wanted sanchez because he could sprint in midfield and were ready to pay whatever asking price. Not saying the kid isnt good but he isnt even worth 50 million. I'm so sick and tired of the transfer market.

 

[mu4c_20le]

You're kidding right? Atletico are paying right now for the hope that he becomes worth €120m some time in the future... when right now he won't even be starting for them. So best case scenario for them is they won't even make money on him if they sell him on in his prime. But it's a massive risk because it's a young, raw player with basically very little experience. Wouldve been an idiotic signing for us, I dont care if he becomes the next Ronaldo, Uniteds not in the place to spend 120m on someone who wouldnt start for us right now.

Well, maybe you should, because we are no position to ever compete for a Neymar or Mbappe at the moment. So signing them before they become that big is the only way. Also Ronaldo barely played a dozen matches before he moved from Sporting, granted not for 100m, but talent is talent.

 

[UpWithRivers]

There is no way its 120. Probably 90 + add ons. They will make 100 profit from Griezmann and just re-invest it. Even if he doesnt do well you can bet someone will take a punt on him for 50/60 in 2 years so maybe worth it. Oh who am I kidding its fkin madness!

 

[ReallyUSA]

How the hell are Atletico a bigger draw than United now? Jesus

 

[SportingCP96]

He will flop. I have no doubt. The kid is talented but he is SO OVERHYPED right now. Benfica president stating things like “he will win the Balon d Or” ... no.

I think he is talented and he could be a good player but the fecking kid is 18! With 6 months of football in his legs no Champions league played nothing and he is “worth” 120M? Never. He is going to be destined to have the same fate as Renato Sanches if this keeps up.

If he has any type of intelligence he stays put in Benfica for at least 1 more season. Like I said the only “good” choice he is making is not going to England because he would be made to look silly there.

 

[Florida Man]

He will flop. I have no doubt. The kid is talented but he is SO OVERHYPED right now. Benfica president stating things like “he will win the Balon d Or” ... no.

I think he is talented and he could be a good player but the fecking kid is 18! With 6 months of football in his legs no Champions league played nothing and he is “worth” 120M? Never. He is going to be destined to have the same fate as Renato Sanches if this keeps up.

If he has any type of intelligence he stays put in Benfica for at least 1 more season. Like I said the only “good” choice he is making is not going to England because he would be made to look silly there.

Media hype aside, I don't think it's a bad idea to go to Atletico. Not a bad place at all to test his skills among a better league. One season there can show the rest of us a lot more about his potential.

 

[sherrinford]

How the hell are Atletico a bigger draw than United now? Jesus

Seriously?

 

[GlastonSpur]

Another TOP talent missed. We should have grabed him. 120 mil for the next big thing is a steal these days.

Yep. It's only a little bit more than the cost of Spurs entire best XI.

 

[bosnian_red]

It is better to raise him up here than buy mercenaries or "proven" players like... eh.. Matic, Sanches, Fred, Darmian etc. Yes there is a gamble and 120 for any player is crazy. Unfortunately market is broken. I agree that you can find hidden gems for "cheap" but sometimes you have to take the risk and responsibility. I remember people complaining about Hazard's possible transfer because "he is not proven in the EPL" And we know the story...

This isnt a Hazard case. Hazards price even back then was fair on reflection of potential vs current ability. Martial again was pricy but reasonable and potential to be 100m+. Joao Felix is unproven in any decent league, is incredibly raw when you watch him play, and has a release clause of 120m. You arent buying a player who will start right away, you arent buying a player who if he hits his max potential you'll profit on. You're buying a player and hoping this promising but in no way proven young player will turn into one of the best players in the world which would then be his price in 5 years time. So best case scenario, hypothetically, is he'll be worth 120m one day. It's like if we wouldve bought Martial for 120m a few years ago when he wasnt proven at all. Or like if we spent 120m on Jadom Sancho a year ago before he had his breakthrough. You're paying the same price anyone would pay for that player when they already develop and are ready to be a star, but without having the security of the player actually developing.

It's insane money and a terrible deal whatever way you look at it. When you're paying that money, the player needs to a) have very obvious potential to be among the very best in the world, and b) already have shown a great season and proven he can come in and start for a big team. Joao Felix I dont think has shown either of those clearly. Some think he has that top potential, but he hasnt shown it like Mbappe, De Ligt, Sancho or Ousmane Dembele (a clear example of how even a young player excelling in a top league still is a risk with that money before they develop).

 

[bosnian_red]

Well, maybe you should, because we are no position to ever compete for a Neymar or Mbappe at the moment. So signing them before they become that big is the only way. Also Ronaldo barely played a dozen matches before he moved from Sporting, granted not for 100m, but talent is talent.

The point is that we didnt pay 100m for him at 18. We arent in a position to spend 100m on a player who wont be starting for the club, anyone who does that is dumb as feck. Even as a super promising youngster, they simply need to be more proven. 50% of Joao Felix's price would be somewhat reasonable, after add ons as well. Something like that Martial deal. 120m is like top 5 most expensive signings of all time. For an 18 year old who had a decent season in the Portuguese league but hasnt shown much more than that and hasnt shown themselves to be a Neymar or Mbappe or even Hazard level talent yet. Jadon Sancho would be expensive but fine for 100m+, because hes shown himself to be an exceptional youngster but a player that is also ready to come in and be a star and in a position of need for us. Joao Felix hasnt shown anywhere near that level of talent or potential. Maybe he'll turn into a £120m player in 5 years... but the reason it's a dumb deal is because you're basically paying his max ever potential worth before hes proven anything. It's a farce.

 

[mu4c_20le]

The point is that we didnt pay 100m for him at 18. We arent in a position to spend 100m on a player who wont be starting for the club, anyone who does that is dumb as feck. Even as a super promising youngster, they simply need to be more proven. 50% of Joao Felix's price would be somewhat reasonable, after add ons as well. Something like that Martial deal. 120m is like top 5 most expensive signings of all time. For an 18 year old who had a decent season in the Portuguese league but hasnt shown much more than that and hasnt shown themselves to be a Neymar or Mbappe or even Hazard level talent yet. Jadon Sancho would be expensive but fine for 100m+, because hes shown himself to be an exceptional youngster but a player that is also ready to come in and be a star and in a position of need for us. Joao Felix hasnt shown anywhere near that level of talent or potential. Maybe he'll turn into a £120m player in 5 years... but the reason it's a dumb deal is because you're basically paying his max ever potential worth before hes proven anything. It's a farce.

I agree, it'd be a huge gamble for us at this point, as well as for Atletico if the links are true, itd be a huge show of faith. I was just pointing out that if a talent is special, then it doesn't matter if they haven't played much. If his price/buyout were lower, lets say a more reasonable 50-60m, I'm sure he'd be snapped up really quickly though.

 

[Acrobat7]

There is no way its 120. Probably 90 + add ons. They will make 100 profit from Griezmann and just re-invest it. Even if he doesnt do well you can bet someone will take a punt on him for 50/60 in 2 years so maybe worth it. Oh who am I kidding its fkin madness!

€120m is his release clause, so it will be the price. Atleti got €80m from Bayern and will get €100m (or was it €120m) for Griezmann. They can spend.
I wouldn’t be a fan if my club pays €120m for him, but this is what he will move for.

 

[MUFC OK]

Ridiculous.

Nice input. I look forward to being proven right about his ability, atletico is a good move for him imo.

 

[Kaglish10]

It's quite funny when people compare him to Renato. No amount of staying back in the portuguese league would improve Renato's bebe like first touch which looked quite glaring despite his battering ram physique which he often used to dominate opponent but look at Felix in comparison, he's got better first touch, intelligence and fantastic vision which were everything Renato lacked. Renato was given a chance at Swansea, a chance at a small club that's if Bayern was too big as a step up for him and with his physique, he should have get back to being a decent player like Tielesman did but what did we have? A rubbish technical inept player. That isn't going to improve.

To be honest, I don't see the need for him to continue in the portuguese league. What else is there to achieve? He's won the league there and looked head and shoulders above majority of the players. He needs a new challenge. If a top league club give him a chance to have a good team to be built around him, he would be stupid not to snap it up because I don't see why he should stay back. Highly rated young players in the portuguese league tend to move out so early so as to develop their game better. This was a player who was head and shoulders ahead everyone on the pitch, including his team mates against Frankfurt. In fact, he needs a better team.

There's nothing raw about him despite his frail stature. If it's about him chasing several long aeriel ball punt to him as a right forward against Switzerland, then maybe he's raw because his frail strength/physique isn't cut for such sunday league long ball style right now although it could be in the future after he's amassed more body mass.

That said, I don't think he should go for the touted 100mil. 60mil is actually right for him.

 

[Rozay]

Nice input. I look forward to being proven right about his ability, atletico is a good move for him imo.

I agree, surprised nobody added it sooner, considering how outlandishly you were speaking of him.

 

[MUFC OK]

He will flop. I have no doubt. The kid is talented but he is SO OVERHYPED right now. Benfica president stating things like “he will win the Balon d Or” ... no.

I think he is talented and he could be a good player but the fecking kid is 18! With 6 months of football in his legs no Champions league played nothing and he is “worth” 120M? Never. He is going to be destined to have the same fate as Renato Sanches if this keeps up.

If he has any type of intelligence he stays put in Benfica for at least 1 more season. Like I said the only “good” choice he is making is not going to England because he would be made to look silly there.

Oh look yet another fan of a Benfica rival writing him off. Not sure how he is at all comparable to Sanches as they are completely different players. Oh I know, he played for Benfica! They are now my favourite team from Portugal due to the bitterness in the thread

 

[SportingCP96]

The thing is he is being put on Mbappe level of talent and he is simply no where near. Mbappe when he was at Monaco his last year was a guy 100% worth 120M. He showed it in the league where he was a main if not the main contributor in dethroning a juggernaut and then PROVED his ability in the CL where he helped take Monaco to a Semi final Berth.

Félix is a talented young player but no where near a generational talent like Mbappe and for that reason 120M is absolutely absurd.

 

[MUFC OK]

I agree, surprised nobody added it sooner, considering how outlandishly you were speaking of him.

I’ll have my opinion, you can have yours. I’d like to think I at least explained my viewpoint though. You could have just commented ‘wrong.’ It would have saved you a few characters.

 

[Madridista2000]

I do not understand why some fans here think he is not worth 120 million euros?

There is probably a handful of clubs around europe ready to pay that amount for him. City, Real Madrid, Juventus were all interested. It's not like no club want to buy him at that price and Athletico is paying as the only club.

The marked has gone bonkers - that is another discussion, but you cannot say he is not worth 120 million euros. He is one of the most promising youngsters and there are not many superstars that athletico can buy for 120 million euros.

Many thought the 180 m. euro for Mbappe was bonkers too. Or 45 million euro for a 16 years old Vinicious.

 

[Rozay]

I’ll have my opinion, you can have yours. I’d like to think I at least explained my viewpoint though. You could have just commented ‘wrong.’ It would have saved you a few characters.

What’s yours based on our of curiosity? YouTube? You’d probably do well to listen to the Portuguese posters who watch him weekly that you are arguing with.

 

[broccoli]

Oh look yet another fan of a Benfica rival writing him off. Not sure how he is at all comparable to Sanches as they are completely different players. Oh I know, he played for Benfica! They are now my favourite team from Portugal due to the bitterness in the thread

Only by living in Portugal you would understand why we despise Benfica. It is what is wrong in our football but also society. Corruption, false populism and lack of class. They not only control the media but also judges, politicians and so on, but that's for another thread.

Regarding Félix it's just an outrageous bid and only possible due to Mendes money laundry scheme. No top club actually bid close to that value. It just doesn't make sense to splash Griezman money for a player that is not even ready to start for them. He might, in a few years be close to the French but i seriously doubt it. Even if he does, Atlético loses money.

 

[SportingCP96]

Oh look yet another fan of a Benfica rival writing him off. Not sure how he is at all comparable to Sanches as they are completely different players. Oh I know, he played for Benfica! They are now my favourite team from Portugal due to the bitterness in the thread

No because if you read any of my posts in him you would see I like the kid in fact I was the first person in this whole forum to make a thread about him outlining his style of play and potential.

I watch him week in week out because as a football addict I like to see as many games as I can and Portuguese league games are easier. Hence I have a pretty good understanding of players in there.

Félix is a great talent but he would look like a child amongst men in the EPL hence Spain is a better league for him. Smart by him. Secondly I am “comparing” him to Sanches based on the overhype he is getting. Félix like Renato only played 6 months of professional football in the team that is the best in the league. No European top level experience at all.

I think I have a better understanding on this then you because I am assuming I have seen more games of his I could be wrong though.

In conclusion is he a good talent? Yes for sure no doubt. Is he a generational talent like Mbappe? No where close. Lastly if I compare him to Benfica best youth product in recent years (Bernardo Silva) I would say he has less potential then he does. At best even potential to him.

I rate him I really do but not to the circle jerk that is going on in here about him because he is nowhere near worth 120M where he wasn’t even the best player in his own league and has not shown enough credibility to be worth such a large sum.

 

[Adnan]

Huge risk on Atleti's part IMO to spend a outrageous sum of money on him if true..

 

[SportingCP96]

I do not understand why some fans here think he is not worth 120 million euros?

There is probably a handful of clubs around europe ready to pay that amount for him. City, Real Madrid, Juventus were all interested. It's not like no club want to buy him at that price and Athletico is paying as the only club.

The marked has gone bonkers - that is another discussion, but you cannot say he is not worth 120 million euros. He is one of the most promising youngsters and there are not many superstars that athletico can buy for 120 million euros.

Many thought the 180 m. euro for Mbappe was bonkers too. Or 45 million euro for a 16 years old Vinicious.

Mbappe though a high fee is completely understandable. You are talking about a generational talent who at 17 was banging in 20 something goals a season in the league and CL and who scored in a World Cup final and at scored almost 40 goals this season.