The people judging him based on the chances he missed don't follow the youth teams i'd imagine. So that didn't come as a surprise.
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That was the point @Fer and I were making though. So many seem content to make sweeping judgements on a player based on one or two performances.
It’s ridiculous.
He was borderline terrible.
That doesn't mean much and it's not like he's a bad player after one game.
He's still very raw.
Felix and Fernandes haven't done anything outside of the Portuguese league to warrant a move to a big club. The sums being talked about are also ridiculous due to those reasons.
Ruben Neves according to regular observer's of his club has been underwhelming in the EPL and there's ample evidence. Him playing crap again at a good level isn't a surprise.
De Ligt and Sancho have performed exceptionally well in the Champions League and The Bundesliga respectively in the season just gone. Both competitions are far superior to the Portuguese league, and I don't mean to disrespect the Portuguese league by saying that. So even if they did have off games tomorrow, it wouldn't be a big deal.
Well yeah, obviously De Ligt and Sancho are more proven. And Neves has certainly regressed after looking brilliant for Wolves season before last. I’ve gone off him totally this season.
But we definitely disagree on Bruno and Felix. I think both will go for €70-80mish and there is good reason for it. Bruno’s stats and influence for Sporting has been immense and Felix has as high a ceiling as any young attacker in Europe.
Neither Portuguese will cost anywhere near De Ligt or Sancho in fee and wages though and rightly so.
Terrible with just 9 passes?
I recall him loosing the ball after two opponents doubled on him on two occasions but he had nothing else to do apart from chase long ball all game. That isn't terrible because he more or less had no touches in the game.
If that was how Greenwood/Rashford was deployed on their debut, they would be worse. Greenwood actually had better chances and had more touches on the ball on his debut. Besides, Greenwood was hardly man marked and the few times he had defender on him, he had only one to contend with. Whenever he had more than one, he lost the ball each time but he had more touches and enough chances to have a presence in the game unlike a certain skinny Felix chasing long ball all game while making 9 passes throughout the game.
Can you really spend €120m euros on this kid? I'm really not convinced. Had a bad performance against Switzerland, his touch seemed off, which can happen to all players. I have to say though, in that game he didn't look especially quick. That could be a problem here.
Can you really spend €120m euros on this kid
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Yes
Thank God you don't run the club.
I hope they both bomb. It would be a riot on here
Thank God you don't either. Since you probably are the type who judges players on one game.
Because I won't spend 120M on a kid who has 6 months of senior football in him? If Felix is 120M then Sancho is 180M
Rather because in 6 months you clearly don't know a next level talent when you you see one. Fees is irrelevant. That is the type of talent you pay the buy out clause and enjoy your investment for a decade if you handle him well.
Clearly. Did you think he'd be cheaper than O. Dembele? Let alone Coutinho in THIS current market?
Both outrageous and overpriced. Though Sancho has a lot more of a resume going for him than Felix. 60M is the max he should go for. @Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber
You are putting Felix on Mbappe level of talent which he is no where near.
You are putting Felix on Mbappe level of talent which he is no where near.
Reasonably pricing sailed long ago. Not after the likes of Coutinho and Dembele going for what they did. Now top talent will cost you between 80-120 at the least. You got to a Dortmund now for Sancho I guarantee your starting price would have to be Dembele's fee or they'd simply laugh you away.
And clubs nowadays are becoming notorious for refusing to discuss down buy out clauses.
From the top leagues yes not from the Portuguese league. The record transfer fee in Portugal is 45M...120M is almost tripling it for a potential Renato Sanches.
Do you really believe they will discuss down from their buy out clause in this market?
Regardless of the game today, I still think the kid is special. Is he worth 120 mil, not right now but could one day.
It's a risk either way. If pay you his clause and he doesn't develop into a world class player, you have wasted an enormous sum of money.
If another teams buy and he becomes the player you envision he can be, then you have missed out on a generational talent.
If we had an experienced director of football, I'd trust him to make that call. I don't trust our scouting, so I think we should err on caution. If he goes to another team and succeeds so be it, as long as it's not City
It's a risk either way. If pay you his clause and he doesn't develop into a world class player, you have wasted an enormous sum of money.
If another teams buy and he becomes the player you envision he can be, then you have missed out on a generational talent.
If we had an experienced director of football, I'd trust him to make that call. I don't trust our scouting, so I think we should err on caution. If he goes to another team and succeeds so be it, as long as it's not City
Anything more than €70-80m for Felix is nuts right now.
Yes. It's a bluff to get the highest bid they can. He is no where near 120M.
* I am not saying Bruno is worth this much money.
If Felix is 120M then Bruno is worth 150M when he was the best player in Portugal. If he played for Benfica he would be hyped up to over 100M.
Bruno has surprised the price hike due to wisely negotiating a reasonable buy out clause.
Largely I agree about the pricing. I hope you are right they are just bluffing. For after seeing that summer of Mbappe, Neymar, Coutinho and Dembele transfers. Its clear the market has broken all bounds of sense.
I would guess the most realistic number is what Wolves were said to be offering. That's in the ballpark of what Richarilson went for so I'd say that's the std for potential at his age
I agree the money in football is an absolute joke. Players who are bang average are being sold for 20M-30M its insane. If the Market was at its normal rate at this stage Felix would be 45M and bruno 55M possibly 60M.
Also Bruno buyout clause is 100M so it has nothing to do with that.
What did Wolves offer? I did not see that report?
Felix should stay another season at Benfica. The price bandied about for him is preposterous.
We need players that are gonna contribute from the get go. And I don't see Felix doing that currently. A move to a club like Dortmund or Atletico Madrid will be better for him, if he is to move in the current window.
We need players that are gonna contribute from the get go. And I don't see Felix doing that currently. A move to a club like Dortmund or Atletico Madrid will be better for him, if he is to move in the current window.
I can't recall exactly but it was something like 60 or 70 mil
Much fairer price.
40 m should be performance based addones. In the fee. Kid is not worth it at this point to be fair. He will be bullied in epl.
Does not look credible at all. I dont know I mean...I can see him maybe staying 1 more season to be honest.
This Benfica media conspiracy has no relevance. The reason Felix is quoted at a higher price is due to age. It's about what he can become. It's not about who is better at the moment. Nobody here is subject to that conspiracy btw.
It is not about conspiracy. If you play for Benfica or Porto you are worth more money.The brand is bigger they control media outlets and newspapers.
The same way Harry Kane banging in goals for United would cost more then him doing it at Spurs. His transfer value would be higher.
Credit or not, awfully random isn't it?
Wolves do have a big Portuguese connection.
Well I know exactly where it comes from...Jorge Mendes he has a strong affiliation with Benfica and Wolves as well and obviously as Felix super agent he basically controls a lot that happens. I would not be surprise if he tried to stick Felix in Wolves I am sure he would get a pretty sum as well plus the Portuguese connection helps. Dont believe it will happen though.
Id love wolves to get him
Instead of City and Pep
Instead of City and Pep
Interesting, the bolded bit is. Had read several reports else were it was about 40m....
As per market rules though. 88m pounds is an accurate price for a player of Bruno's recent exploits.
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No so pretty much he signed a clause in his contract when he resigned with Sporting that if a club offered 35M+ for him and Sporting rejected it they would have to compensate him with x amount of money (forgot the amount and or if it had to do with his wages) anyways it is only valid one time but his buyout clause is 100M.
He himself has bee quoted saying 60M is a fair price for him and no Portuguese player should be sold for over 100M because that is the price Ronaldo was sold for and he is the best Portuguese player in the world and and also in the history of the country. These are his words btw. Smart chap.
Having seen Neves go there while in the championship, I wouldn't be all that surprised. It would be great for the league!
Would put less pressure on him as well and those fans would treat him like a king.
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