Bring him here.
Joao Felix / on loan to Chelsea
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Bring him here.
He looked brilliant and should've won them the game with that late header.
It doesn't make sense he's not playing more considering all of their other forwards are nothing special.
It doesn't make sense he's not playing more considering all of their other forwards are nothing special.
Like De Jong, it would be annoying if a desperate manager brings them in from the cold just in time to increase doubt in their minds about leaving.
Could see Simeone being sacked before January, new manager in and bringing him straight back in. If we are going to get him we need Simeone to stay till after Jan and for him to keep benching him.
Yes, I'm between him and Jonathan David. Problem with Osimhen is that Napoli always ask for ridiculous fees for their players, considering they paid around 70M for him I can't see them selling for less than 120-130M.
I think the opposite is true.
I would say we have one player, in Fernandes, who would consistently exploit said space, and one more, in Rashford, who should be capable but has not offered enough of the necessary off-the-ball running to do so for several years now.
What we have plenty of, is players who would benefit from having a centre forward primarily stretching the pitch - Sancho, Antony, Bruno and Eriksen.
We already have a group of forwards who want the ball to feet or come towards the ball too much, adding yet another in a striker like Felix is what would blunt our all round play and make our attack more predictable. A player like Osimhen or Haaland would enhance the team's play by offering something different - something otherwise missing.
Napoli can ask for whatever they want, but here is a player with two years left on his contract (in the summer), so if they want to maximise his value they will need to sell for c.£70m this summer, or he will go for c.£30m the summer after, as the player can say sell me for X or I go for free next year. Given the price for Nunez, I'd say 70m is about right for Osimhen, who is hard working and will get a reasonable level of goals, but not Haaland / Mbappe level. I think he would work well with Gakpo and Antony, and Brobbey would be a good player to have on the bench. I just have a feeling that Sesko or Endrick could step up to superstar status, whereas Osimhen does not have the technical ability to do that.
Going back to Felix, I think there is a good player in there, but he has been hampered at Atletico, is not prolific enough to be a number 9, and probably doesn't really fit what we need / currently have.
2 years is plenty of time, I doubt they'll settle for 70M. That's just about what they paid, if anything the lack of number 9s will have a lot of teams interested in him and willing to pay a lot more than the 70M even with only a year left on his contract.
I think having Sesko and Endrick as the next super stars when they're both teens and havent played in top leagues is reaching quite a bit. For all we know they can end up being busts. Osimhen is the most "secure" option by far.
Regarding Joao, I agree he's not a goal scorer but he has the ability to create spaces for his team mates. Something similar to what Martial offers. Overall we should look for some one who improves our attack overall, Joao could be that player.
One thing's for sure, the lack of strikers is forcing our hand to settle for either one or another, there are no complete packages available.
I'm not disagreeing that Osimhen is a good player, and a more "secure option" than either Sesko or Endrick. As you say, they could both flop, but I do think that they have a higher ceiling than Osimhen, and at the moment, they are the two players that I think have the potential to compete with Haaland and Mbappe (H & M) for the ballon d'or. Besides H & M, the other three favourites for this year's award are all aged 30+, and all previous winners are 34+. I'm curious which players currently aged below 25, besides H & M, you think has they best chance of winning the Ballon d'or?
I think Simeone could have Atletico in the relegation zone in January and still not get sacked. He's a deity at that club.
Haaland and Mbappe are the obvious ones, the new generation. Besides them I'd say Vinicius Jr, Foden, Pedri are the next in line.
For all the talk of felix isnt what we need, we can draw parallels with jesus at arsenal. Yes he isnt a 20 goal a season machine, but he is more than sum of his parts and has slotted into the style and ethos of arteta's arsenal without fanfair. Now a crucial jog in the machinery. Felix could be the same.
Sometimes with players the unexpected happens. Who'd have thought a portugese winger who did 14 stepovers and fell over would score 600goals in his career? Or a flop of a 22 year old left winger from juventus would become one of the greatest strikers the PL has ever seen? And have his own catchphase. Or a petulant winger from holland would become an elite finisher in the PL?
Sometimes it just clicks. Other times it doesnt. Hopefully if we did sign felix, he would kick on to become an elite player, if we are lucky maybe an elite finisher. It may not be in his locker right now. But if he has the desire, hunger and determination then he has every chance of doing so
Anyway thats the allure of potential, it can't be quantified, ebbs away over time before it vanishes into the night and your left with what if ?...
Sometimes with players the unexpected happens. Who'd have thought a portugese winger who did 14 stepovers and fell over would score 600goals in his career? Or a flop of a 22 year old left winger from juventus would become one of the greatest strikers the PL has ever seen? And have his own catchphase. Or a petulant winger from holland would become an elite finisher in the PL?
Sometimes it just clicks. Other times it doesnt. Hopefully if we did sign felix, he would kick on to become an elite player, if we are lucky maybe an elite finisher. It may not be in his locker right now. But if he has the desire, hunger and determination then he has every chance of doing so
Anyway thats the allure of potential, it can't be quantified, ebbs away over time before it vanishes into the night and your left with what if ?...
A midget to play up front, a midget who wouldn't hit over 15 goals in the prem, oh and all for the cheap price of £120m? sign him up lads and then complain why we don't have a proper goal threat.
I don’t think you know what a midget is, Felix is around the 6 foot mark
He’s 5 foot 11 inches, not exactly a midget.
I'd say that those are all pretty good calls. Unfortunately, all of them are already with big clubs and would be very difficult to prise from their current clubs without paying a release clause or waiting for them to leave for free. I would love to be able to add one or two of our own players to that list, either by developing what is already here, or bringing in some real talents. Curious who you would think of our current crop has the best chance? Since it is usually an attacker, I'm thinking Antony, Sancho or Garnacho are our best chances. Martial and Rashford are decent players, but clearly not at that level. Ronaldo is not winning it again, and Elanga, Amad and Pellistri are not good enough. Greenwood...
I think from our current crop only Antony has the potential but he's currently far from it. To compete for the ballon d'or you need to have a great season in a team winning the UCL. We're so far from that currently that I just can't imagine any real option at this point to be honest
We need a goalscorer more than anything. This team will work better with Felix but we will have a bigger chance of winning trophies with someone who can bang in 30+ goals a season.
Yeah we need more of a Vlahovic/Osimhen
But that’s exactly the point, you don’t. Those players are scoring enough goals when combined with Martial on the pitch, who is stylistically more similar to Felix than the rest of the players we have.
City last year.
1 İlkay Gündoğan 17
2 Phil Foden 16
3 Raheem Sterling 14
3 Gabriel Jesus 14
3 Riyad Mahrez 14
6 Ferran Torres 13
7 Kevin De Bruyne 10
first of all the guy is not even guaranteed a starting spot in this current team if he was to sign . How is he beyond United?
Unless you are so sure that he is a better player than Rashford who has 99 premier league goals and 12 international goals while Leao has 50 and zero international goals. Age difference 20 months.
Well of course, but who's that 30+ goals a season player?
He always struck me as more of the Kaka second striker type, but I’ve not watched him play properly in a while
I'm not sure there's enough evidence for that statement over a sustained period. Hardly played with Sancho and Antony. I'm just saying on paper, you're looking for a lot of improvement from Felix to up his own output and putting a lot of faith in the idea he'll improve everyone else, rather than just buying a lad that scores plenty to begin with. It's kind of a risky strategy in my opinion, but I'd trust the manager of course if that's what he believes.
But we’ve actively watched over the last 18 months as a poacher has made us a significantly worse side, with the side by sides this season showing how explicitly bad it is. There’s no evidence that a scorer who does nothing else will help in the slightest unless they’re at a Haaland level which an Osimhen or Vlahovic just aren’t
Do we have seven players who can get us 10 goals in a season? Ronaldo, Martial, Rasford, Fernandes, Antony, Sancho, Eriksen? If we don't have a prolific centre forward or two, then we need all these players to chip in with 10+ goals, and I'm not convinced they could all do it. ETH's Ajax teams tended to have a focal point number 9, like Haller, so it wouldn't surprise me if we went for someone like that, but I agree with the previous posters that we probably are not good enough to have a number 9 that doesn't contribute to the build up play, so I could see him bringing in someone between a Haaland and a Felix, maybe Osimhen. I think Osimhen is a good player, and a good fit for the team, but I wouldn't want to spend £100m on him as he isn't an elite player.
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We haven't had a good striker anywhere near his peak in the last 18 months, poacher or non poacher so I don't think there's a lot there to take from it.
I don't think anyone is advocating for a pure poacher. I've not seen enough of Vlahovic or Osimhen to know if you're characterising them unfairly. What about the likes of David? I wouldn't say the only thing he does is tap ins around the box but he certainly scores more than Felix.
I'm still a believer in making sure you've got goals in your team and usually goalscorers have a consistent record of doing so. Some people suddenly come to life in a team and system but you never know, it's kind of unpredictable and we could end up a bit lightweight on finishing.
Huge impact when he came on yesterday evening. Turned the game around in 5 minutes.
It really feels like Simeone and atlético were simply the wrong fit for the kid. I hope he gets his move soon, I personally think United are at play too sign him and ETH can make s player out of him.
It really feels like Simeone and atlético were simply the wrong fit for the kid. I hope he gets his move soon, I personally think United are at play too sign him and ETH can make s player out of him.
While I strongly disagree that Rashford is better then Leao I think this is not the thread to discuss it as I don’t want to derail it again.
We can either agree to disagree or if you would like to message me or debate it in another thread we can.
With that being said I apologize if people were offended by the initial post (was not my intention) and It got “misinterpreted” (not sure what the word im looking for is) as it was not to throw shade at United as a club but rather where they are right now compared to other top clubs in the world.
That’s my opinion when I wrote it and now but I could very well be wrong, who knows and if I am wrong it is what it is.
Cheers to everyone on here especially others I interact wirh consistently.
You think that’s a possibility?
I feel like Simeone is borderline un sackable for Atlético as long as he keeps getting CL for them.
He’s their most successful manager ever and made them relevant again, they owe him too much to send him out like that unless the results were catastrophic.
For example If and it’s a big IF he was to win them yet another Europa league and qualify for the CL again I don’t think it would be that bad of a season.
I'm not his biggest fan but I wouldn't mind him on a cheap deal if they're desperate to get rid, could help us well.
Unlikely of you to defend a benifica boy
Their are some Benfica lads who end up being too good that it’s hard not likeI'm not his biggest fan but I wouldn't mind him on a cheap deal if they're desperate to get rid, could help us well.
Unlikely of you to defend a benifica boy
Joao Felix, Ruben Dias, Bernardo Silva , Cancelo, Rui Costa, are all guys that I can’t deny their quality.
Even Antonio Silva now, I made a thread on him the other day just as I made about Felix when he was at Benfica because they impressed me haha
True enough, the lad's certainly talents so let's see where his career trajectory gets him.Their are some Benfica lads who end up being too good that it’s hard not like
Joao Felix, Ruben Dias, Bernardo Silva , Cancelo, Rui Costa, are all guys that I can’t deny their quality.
Even Antonio Silva now, I made a thread on him the other day just as I made about Felix when he was at Benfica because they impressed me haha
And as you said, Antonio silva seems to be the next big thing so worth it to keep an eye out on him as well.
Ya I figured with the United rumors it would be worth making a thread on Silva so other members of the CAF could get to know the lad a little better and what he’s about.
As always your profiles on liga Portugal players are appreciated, keep it up.
Thank you Red.
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