New João Mário compilation. As usual ignore the crappy compilation music
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Looks like Portuguese Young for me. More versatile and has a better shot on him, but I'm not impressed. Not that it's right to judge player on a youtube compilation though
Err he looks nothing like Young. He's more like Payet or Iniesta, in what concerns playing style in different positions.
His technique is so smooth but I like the way he protects the ball and competes, he looks pretty strong and sturdy. His versatility would be a huge asset for us as he could start on the right and once Rooney is finally phased out he can move into CM.
That's why I shouldn't judge players based on youtube compilations
He looks very comfortable as a pure winger though, unlike Iniesta, who is a "false" winger, regularly moving to the central zone from the leftThat's why I shouldn't judge players based on youtube compilations
He has only played as winger this year under Jorge Jesus. He looks comfortable because he is a quality player and Jorge Jesus does wonders with playing players in new positions. What's great with João Mário is that he can play multiple positions with efficiency. Something that Mourinho likes and values.
Exactly. He clearly is a Mourinho type of player. I've seen him play as MC, AMC, DMC and RW and he never disappointed. He also comes with experience, being 23 years of age, playing in the portuguese national team, having played well in the Champions League and Europa League. I think he is ready to move but like i said he will be very expensive.
The only thing that reminds me of young is that his face actually looks like young in the still of the video
Out of interest, what do you think of Rafa Silva?
I read a couple of times over the last few days that we have approached Sporting and that we want to do a deal before the Euros, apparently you want his full buyout which is £47M, in today's market that is probably fair enough given he's such a versatile player of a high quality at an age where he should still get even better while already having experience as you say. Maybe we could make it £35M and throw in Rojo.
Very good player. It was supposed to be ours as well but we were experiencing financial problems at the time and our new President was just starting his work. Funny you mention him because this week, him and João Mário, were the big highlights of the sports newspapers. They were getting praised by their excellent season and for the fact that they will mostly likely (95% sure) be at the France Euro. Porto tried to buy him in January for 16 million euros but Braga President was asking 20 millions (his release clause). He should move this year. Rafa Silva is an attacking midfielder, very good technically, pacy, who runs with the ball "glued" to his feet due to his superior control. He is very dangerous in transition due to his speed and ability to play one two. But he is also decent against more organized defenses and playing as organizer due to his passing and dribbling ability. He has to work on his finishing and with defining plays in the last third. Something that it's usual on portuguese creative players.
I read a couple of times over the last few days that we have approached Sporting and that we want to do a deal before the Euros, apparently you want his full buyout which is £47M, in today's market that is probably fair enough given he's such a versatile player of a high quality at an age where he should still get even better while already having experience as you say. Maybe we could make it £35M and throw in Rojo.
I know you are kidding mate but Rojo burned some bridges at Sporting, specially with our President. He was very good for us but he's not coming back, even if he wanted. As usual i agree with your assessment. The problem here is the price tag. We have plenty of interest in our players.Slimani attracting interest from several english and german clubs; William Carvalho with latest rumours from a Leicester inquiry or Adrien followed by Mónaco, we can cash in with various assets. We have already qualified for the Champions League and just signed a 500 million euros TV deal with NOS. Our financial position allows us to drive a hard bargain and with a player of João Mário quality (just elected the second best player in our league after Jonas) and the fact that he is attracting interest from other clubs will make him very expensive.
That's a hell of a good TV deal, it should definitely allow you to limit the amount of disruption to your squad, where as in the past there has been no option but to sell. With Joao Mario I imagine the buyout will have to be met in full and if you sold him you'd not need to sell any of the other players attracting interest. I know he said in an interview the other day that he wants to play in the PL but do you think he'd move this summer if we met the clause?
I know this sounds cliche but he looks very lightweight to me when I've watched him, do you think he could cope physically in the PL?
If someone paid the clause, he would move. He's happy at Sporting but no player from our league rejects a big club move to a top european league. We can't afford the wages clubs pay in England, Spain or Germany.
Rafa is a bit lightweight but has coped well when playing against clubs like Shakthar Donestk and Fenerbahce in this year's Europa League. He has also done well for our national team when called. I don't think Rafa will move to a club like United, Arsenal or Chelsea. He will probably go to a medium tier European club or perhaps even to Porto. If he fulfills his potencial at Porto, then i can see him move a top club.
With all due respect but after the Rojo tragedy I believe we should think twice before signing anyone from Portugal.
So Joao Mario and Renato Sanches? We will be responsible for the future of the Portguese midfield.
Based on that logic we should think twice before signing anyone from anywhere.
If Rojo was one of the top defenders in Portugal then their defenses aren't very good and their wingers/strikers aren't really challenged enough. I mean with all due respect to Rojo but he looks like Mcnair after a binge drinking night out with Banksy.
Gotcha, well I am hoping we firm up our interest as the make-up of our squad could really use a quality, flexible option like him given we need to recruit in several positions this summer.
Thanks, I was wondering about him as he's fast and skillful but the PL is a different type of demand week in and week out, as I say not better just different in what it requires physically. If he moves to Porto that'll mean an enormous buyout I imagine, I think a move to France of Germany would be a better idea for him to develop a bit more.
thats bullshit, we had also success there. Van Gaal is an idiot
The only truly successful player we bought from there was Ronaldo
Ronaldo and nani were complete failures eh?
Ronaldo was an utter success but we bought him in 2003 and the quality of football tend to fluctuate after a couple of years let alone more then a decade ago (think of the Dutch league during RVN time and compare it to now). Nani was meah.
If Rojo is considered as a top defender in Portugal then that speaks volumes of the quality there is in Portugal in the first place. A half decent striker/winger should turn that disaster waiting to happen in mince meat.
With all due respect mate, you did well with players coming from our academy (Ronaldo and to lesser extent Nani). Our academy work speaks for it self. Other premier league clubs as well since Dier and Fonte also come from our Alcochete academy. Rojo was bought from Spartak Moscow. Did well for us and in the World Cup for Argentina but failed under Van Gaal. Buying players is always a gamble but our academy has a great track record. Maybe he is another Figo or Ronaldo
You never know With all due respect mate, you did well with players coming from our academy (Ronaldo and to lesser extent Nani). Our academy work speaks for it self. Other premier league clubs as well since Dier and Fonte also come from our Alcochete academy. Rojo was bought from Spartak Moscow. Did well for us and in the World Cup for Argentina but failed under Van Gaal. Buying players is always a gamble but our academy has a great track record. Maybe he is another Figo or Ronaldo
Don't turn it into something personal mate it isn't the case. I am not judging no one here but simply taking care of my club's interest. There's no denying that Portugal had produced some of the finest players in the world. However a lot of time had passed since then and things do change. The Dutch used to produce guys like Gullit and Van Basten. Now they are producing the likes of Depay and Kuyt.
Returning to Portugal ,c onsidering that Rojo had done so well in Portugal and he's quite a shit defender (I am not a big fan of LVG but you cant pinch it on senile that Rojo can't defend can you?) then maybe we should give talent from Portugal a second look before actually signing them. I mean its not as if you ask peanuts for your guys. FFS that Renato Sanches dude would probably cost us 40m, the allegately homeless kid whose crosses were like shots costed us 7m.
Devilish for once has a small point. Mangala was the best young defender once upon a time. He is absolute shit for city
You should always be cautious when you buy any player from any league. Of course Rojo hasn't been great but that is an individual case. Look at Bernardo Silva or André Gomes who barely featured at Benfica and did well at Mónaco and Valencia. Or a non portuguese such as Di Maria who was very good at Real after coming from Portugal. My point is that there is quality in every league. And there are flops as well as seen in Schneiderlin. Of course that it's expensive buying here but there is quality. After the top leagues, we are probably the next best. Buying players isn't as linear as that. In relation to talents, midfield wise we are probably experiencing one of the best ages. The way this generation beat England and trashed Germany in the last Euro U21 is a testament of that quality.
I don't think Rojo was considered a top defender really.. Just an inconsistent defender who had potential to turn into a very good player at the back was what I heard more. But plenty of people were saying it was a weird signing and he wasn't a great player or anything at the time.
Correct but you also have other players coming from less glamourous leagues like Vertonghen or Fonte doing well. Like i said things aren't as linear. I understand the relutancy not to overpay but that's how the market works, specially when dealing with english clubs
Thanks we've been linked with him as well this season, which is to be expected I guess with most assuming Mourinho will be our next manager. He looks like a good player.
Well yes and no. If the prices asked are reasonably low then its worth taking a risk. I remember back in the 90s the Italian clubs used to go and buy 2-3 SA players at one go without too much thought. Most turned out not to be good enough but at 3-5m a pop it was worth the hassle because if two of them made it then it would still be a bargain. I remember there was a time when Inter bought 4 at one go. Two of them turned to be shit (Caio and Rambert) while two turned out to be a certain Roberto Carlos and a certain Javier Zanetti. What a bargain!
However the Portuguese league is not a bargain league any more and under such circumstances players from that league should be scrutinized in the same way as La Liga. These days 18 year olds from Portugal aren't rated 12m anymore but 40m.
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Sly rated him highly. Mangala was also rated highly before Shitty and both are dog shit in the EPL. If these are the sort of top opposition the Portuguese attacking minded players are facing then maybe they are not as good as some portray them.
As far as youtube compilations go, that's one of the more unimpressive ones I've seen. Looks a decent player but no exceptional ability apparent from that.
He looks like a #10. If we're gong for that sort of player it should be someone with real elite natural ability, or a top second striker like Griezmann.
Nobody is saying the portuguese league is quality. Sporting, Benfica and Porto are good sides but apart from them it's not very good. But at the same time, there are always plenty of quality players to be found there. Hard to judge the defenders, sure, but some players still excel at all levels even if it's not just the league (champions league, europa league, national team games, etc). Joao Mario by all accounts has looked class at all the levels he's played at and even fans of rival teams there are saying he's arguably the best player in the league and a cut above players like Renato Sanches who is being linked with us. Just because some players look better then they are in that league, doesn't mean it applies to everyone. By that logic, the only players anyone should sign should be from the Premier league, bundesliga or the Spanish league.. Which is obviously ridiculous.
I'm all for signing Joao Mario over any of the other midfielders we've been linked with because he's exactly the type we need. Quality all around, talented and a very good passer and creative. Renato I'm hesitant with because what seems to stick out about him are his physical attributes and that's not a clear sign for a top player.
Well if the best opposition they tend to face come from the likes of Mangala and Rojo then maybe we should give talent from there a second and third look especially considering that Portuguese talent cant be considered as bargains anymore. Surely they will find much more difficult opposition in England then that Argentinian disaster waiting to happen whom we insist he's a defender
Rojo wasn't the top defender in Portugal and United got interested in him after the world cup besides Sporting has Adrien and Carvalho in front of the defense making their work easier.
You keep bringing Mangala but for example Eric Dier came from Sporting and he's a good defender, a lot of times players are a "flop" because the coach/manager, Nani and Di Maria a good example of bad management at United.
On ADM you're probably right. Nani was a lazy feck though. Dier is a decent defender but hardly one of the EPL best defenders
Dier is a defensive midfielder now but i'd argue he is one of the top performers in the league and is an english international. Surely he is another example of a good product from a lesser league albeit coming from one of the top academies in europe.
My point is that you must analyze things individually and not in a global league package. For example Ilori was better than Dier in Portugal and now he couldn't even be a starter at Villa or have a chance at Liverpool. Fonte came from our academy as well but couldn't get a game for Sporting or Benfica and in the last years he has been one of the best defenders in the Premier League. Ricardo Carvalho and Pepe came from Porto and Marítimo academies respectively and are/were top defenders in european football. You can't judge a league just because one or two players underperform. Slimani came from an almost amateur algerian league for 300k and now is attracting interest from english and german clubs after performing admirably in the World Cup and Champions League. This is too complex to be analyzed superficially. What i do agree is that buying in the portuguese league isn't cheap so i understand clubs rationally choosing other options. Wenger for example doesn't do much business in our league. Only deal i remember was from a player who also came from our academy, Luis Boa Morte. Which he overpaid by the way
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