Has hints of abject failure with an overpowering scent of entitlement. It contains pheromones that causes people to randomly burst into a standing ovation when you enter the room.
Jesse Lingard 'to leave on a free'
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Reckon he returned from West Ham last year as billy big bollocks after all that smoke was blown up his arse after a few good months…..didn’t get into Ole’s team and then got very bitter and twisted after broken promises.
That is the clubs fault just as much as his…..should have sold him last summer when his stock was high as he was never going to be a regular starter.
Reckon our greedy accountants (Ed and the Judge) thought that they could get him to sign an extension and then his asset value would have increased on the balance sheet.
Luckily, Ed, the Judge and Jlingz are all going/gone.
End of chapter, end of book. Finished.
That is the clubs fault just as much as his…..should have sold him last summer when his stock was high as he was never going to be a regular starter.
Reckon our greedy accountants (Ed and the Judge) thought that they could get him to sign an extension and then his asset value would have increased on the balance sheet.
Luckily, Ed, the Judge and Jlingz are all going/gone.
End of chapter, end of book. Finished.
He’s really deluded isn’t he? Who the feck wants to smell like him?I'm so curious..
Can you imagine any opposition fans wanting to buy his shit? United fans don't want it so who's his demographic? He's got an E-sports team now that play fortnite so I bet he's pitching it to kids who play that game
Now that's something I'd wear to the dance floor. And what a nice colour too.
I think we can safely assume he did not tell Scholes he could say it as Scholes takes the liberty himself, saying "I'm sure he wont mind..." But when you go outside the ranks with something like this to a mate, never mind a well connected pundit tied into the footballing comunity then you can bet your ass it finds its way out and that's a leak. And no proper manager will accept this.
It's not that I don't like Lingard. I don't know him. I'm sure he's a fun guy. I dont like his silly antics, his branding and now it seems his entitlement. I prefer that players who are getting paid fortunes take their position serously and I don't think he does that - who knows, maybe I'm wrong. I think he's the architect of his own downfall at this club and he should have been moved out 2-4 years ago.
He's not getting any offer isn't he? we better not get back on our offer and let him become free agent
Pretty clear he's chosen greed, we've over paid him (and pretty much everyone else on the squad) for years and he's been happy to not play and not develop.
The thing is though that 260K is maybe 2-3 weeks wages for a lad like Jesse. Probably some agent came to him with an investment opportunity and he just said 'yeah, lets give that a lash'. I've known lads that have blown more than 2 weeks wages on the horses so this is probably slightly more sensible than that in fairness.
Yes, that's what ETH will do.... offer him a twelve month complimentary contract, rolled out month by month, or a 'pay-as-you-play' similarly short term contract. A sort of 'footballer zero-hours' contract for short term period!
Well yeah, gamblers are not a rare thing, and I doubt any agent came to him with this, and financial advisor or investment manager would probably advise against a clothing brand with half your name and ending with a 'z' - it's pure ego, and dropping 260k on an ego trip scream financial ruin at some point.
Your friends will have jobs until they die and will probably earn the same amount for the next 40 years while Lingard will probably be used to spending 50k a week on stupid shit until the day he retires at 35, that 50k a week will make his retirement fund disappear sooner rather than later and he'll be in for a shock when his "friends" stop talking to him when he stops flashing his cash.
Anyone evening thinking of keeping Lingard is part of the problem.
ETH would not come if the board decide this.
United didn't want to bought players fo Rangnick because he's an interim
70 percent of the time it works everytime.
Not sure if you're serious but this scenario is never going to happen.
When he doesn’t get a game ahead of Mata or a send off at OT I don’t need to know more it’s obvious he’s a toxic little fecker.
Cant wait till he joins his mate Pogba and fecks off.
Not saying this is 100% right but from what I understand football players (and other rich folk too) don't always delve into business to make huge amounts of money. In the case of charity they don't set up charities because they are lovely people who want to do their bit.
Not being an accountant etc I can't explain the intricacies but it's usually a tax issue. It was explained to me once but I can't remember the detail. It was Blackpool pleasure beach that was the example uses for me. They had other places which the let run down and it was tax issue.
I was involved with the Beckham charity for disabled kids and that was a tax issue. When he signed for RM it closed down overnight.
In my words and not accurate. If you earn 150k a week then your monthly tax is quite big. Let's say tax was 20k of that.
So you set up a charity or business and use relatives to run it. Paying them wages of 20k. Thats basically your tax returned via family etc.
At the end of the month/year your tax is less if they aren't exactly bringing in the money. Yet your family/friends are getting paid.
I know it's not that simple before anyone says. As I said I'm no accountant. But hopefully you get the gist. If JLingz is doing that then he isn't exactly crying about it.
Not being an accountant etc I can't explain the intricacies but it's usually a tax issue. It was explained to me once but I can't remember the detail. It was Blackpool pleasure beach that was the example uses for me. They had other places which the let run down and it was tax issue.
I was involved with the Beckham charity for disabled kids and that was a tax issue. When he signed for RM it closed down overnight.
In my words and not accurate. If you earn 150k a week then your monthly tax is quite big. Let's say tax was 20k of that.
So you set up a charity or business and use relatives to run it. Paying them wages of 20k. Thats basically your tax returned via family etc.
At the end of the month/year your tax is less if they aren't exactly bringing in the money. Yet your family/friends are getting paid.
I know it's not that simple before anyone says. As I said I'm no accountant. But hopefully you get the gist. If JLingz is doing that then he isn't exactly crying about it.
Can't see any scenario where we offer him a new deal and rightly so
I agree he is better than VDB but it doesn’t say much. It’s still possible VDB will improve whereas Lingard has probably peaked and he just won’t be able to get into the team.
Baffling. Lingard is clearly a problem in the dressing room and has a poor attitude, not to mention him posting pics of him in a West ham kit, and his brother ranting about the state of our club. Yet you'd beg him to stay simply because he's better than Donny van Beek. Thank god football fans have no control of the club is all I can say
That's what we should do, actually.
Or something along those lines.
Similarly, we shouldn't offer Rashford any kind of improved contract. If he wants to renew, we should offer him a short-term extension of his current one (one more year) and tell him that he'll get more money if and only if he proves himself on the pitch.
I've tried his cologne, it wasn't bad.
Lingard can be a useful option for us so if Ten Hag wants to sign him, i would support that.
Lingard can be a useful option for us so if Ten Hag wants to sign him, i would support that.
I've said that kind of thing in the past, but really
Look at City's bench. It's not just "players who could be useful" or "players who can do a job". It's full of quality players. Lingard is a decent player but he seems to need confidence and also a run of games to play to his full potential. He's not gonna get that here
Yeah, reality check needed here. We are streets behind City and Liverpool. We can’t fix that in one summer window. We need 4 or 5 signings to make any improvement and we may need to persuade a few out-goings to stay as squad players to have a tilt at top 4.
Exactly. The only player we currently have who could complain about that of it happened to them is DDG.
Slick. The perfect hoodie for a toddler with no self awareness, hope they do kids sizes.
I spend a bit of time around salford and town centre average once every 2-3 weeks due to family and have never seen anyone with his garb on. I wonder who buys it?
Nobody mentioned begging...I'd just tell him he would get games....which he would....because he's actually a useful player.
It's easy to be critical of players but I actually think some have a right to be angry. Clearly, Solskjaer made promises to the likes of Henderson, Bailly, Lingard and DvdB which he just didn't keep. That's not brilliant man-management and it's not really fair on those lads.
You're going to have to put certain perceptions of the players to one side next season. We have to get behind whichever team/squad ETH decides is the one to take us forward.
Lingard can leave on a wheelbarrow as far as I'm concerned
No respect for those who speak out of turn and undermine the club's authority
No respect for those who speak out of turn and undermine the club's authority
Well have you checked the dancefloor?
Doubt he was promised anything and in the unlikely event he was he should have realized he wasn't getting into this team with the competition in his places. If he was that desperate to leave he could have pushed hard for a move in early January he didn't which says it all. Running his contract down has been the goal for a while it seems.
As a door stop maybe.
He's not though.
He broke into the first team squad in 2015, he's played about 230 games for Utd. How many more chances does he need?
We have more than enough evidence he's not good enough for Utd, he's contributed incredibly little to Utd since his purple patch ended 4 years ago. He's scored I believe 3 league goals for Utd since 2018.
He's also clearly been leaking stuff to the press. So you have a player who isn't good enough anyway that is also a negative presence in the dressing room. It would be utter fecking madness to give him a new contract.
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Apparently Newcastle have said his demands are too high. At this rate he'll have to go to Barcelona or whichever other huge clubs it was claimed were after him.
I don't really know what people do during the game. "Lingard is a useful player" 
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I'd rather swim in a pond of geese piss than use any of lingards apparel.
Yes they do, Lingard and Jones are good examples of 'hanging on'. Jones has survived four (five if you include SAF) managers and Lingard four, Mata also gone through four managers. There must be something about these players that we (fans) don't see, but the managers do. Leaving aside SAF, Moyes, LvG, Jose and Ole have all kept faith with these players for one reason or another, offered new contracts in a lot of cases, or extended existing ones.
ETH is likely to be the same, he will want to see what can be salvage from the motley crew he has inherited. If your predecessors have kept faith with these players then he will want to do the same, until he can judge for himself.
These short term/zero hours type contracts may well fit the bill.
It would not surprise me in the least
I wouldn't bet against it!
ETH cannot turf everyone out, all at once and yes those out of contract now, make the best option to offer short term contracts, because they are the 'low hanging fruit'. However ETH may want to get rid of some of those still 'in contract' and we shall get a better idea of his overall management ability if he can start to dislodge a few of these, in his first season.