Jesse Lingard 'to leave on a free'

romufc said:
Right. I do recall Fergie resigning after losing 6-1 to Man City.

I recall Ralf resigning after losing 4-0 and 4-1 to Liverpool and City.
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Poor examples. Fergie was the greatest manager of all time and had won the lot at the time of the 6-1 loss to city. That loss wasn't going to change that. Ralf is an interim manager who wasn't staying more than half a season, why would he resign?
 
United_98 said:
After this season, I just don't understand the logic of keeping

Mata, Matic, Bailey, Jones, Lingard
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If we had used Mata better would have no issues with keeping him around during the next year while squad faces big changes. Smart player, well liked . Would be the older head along with Ronnie(if he stays)
 
Marcus said:
Can we celebrate free Lingard day? Like a recovery from a long illness.
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Patient "Hi, Doc.... well give us the news"
Doctor "Well i'm glad to inform you the X-ray results are back and its gone ....we have successfully removed it all, Jesse is gone "
Patient " Awe doc that great news , please..... please can i ring the bell !!!! "
 
I have no evidence to back this up, but I suspect part of the reason the club kept Lingard was to prevent him from helping West Ham from challenging us for a CL or a EL spot. Given where West Ham are right now in the table it's not unreasonable to believe that a happy Lingard at West Ham might have them several points higher in the table at this point.

United are on 58 points after 36 matches
West Ham are on 52 points after 35 matches

United and West Ham are both out of of contention for fourth place now, but both clubs went into the season believing fourth place was a realistic goal. Now we're scraping EL qualification, but it's not entirely inconceivable that a happy Lingard at West Ham might have put the club above us by this point.
 
lex talionis said:
I have no evidence to back this up, but I suspect part of the reason the club kept Lingard was to prevent him from helping West Ham from challenging us for a CL or a EL spot. Given where West Ham are right now in the table it's not unreasonable to believe that a happy Lingard at West Ham might have them several points higher in the table at this point.

United are on 58 points after 36 matches
West Ham are on 52 points after 35 matches

United and West Ham are both out of of contention for fourth place now, but both clubs went into the season believing fourth place was a realistic goal. Now we're scraping EL qualification, but it's not entirely inconceivable that a happy Lingard at West Ham might have put the club above us by this point.
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There's no way our club plays 4D chess like that!
 
Oldyella said:
If we had used Mata better would have no issues with keeping him around during the next year while squad faces big changes. Smart player, well liked . Would be the older head along with Ronnie(if he stays)
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I'm convinced, no evidence from sources etc, that Mata would have been a key player under RR.

Not an attack on Ole, but I was surprised he kept him because our style under Ole just didn't suit Mata. I have no issues with players not being bought or utilised if they don't fit. Although his contract extension and our interest in likes of Sancho and DVB had me thinking "ok we seem to be wanting to play quick slick football so makes sense to keep Mata". You have to understand here that I don't buy into the whole legs have gone with certai players, as speed isn't what they rely on. More a quick brain and football intelligence.

Under RR I thought Mata would get more game time. He isn't the quickest or best at tackling but he is like a Jack Russel snapping at players. When he didn't get games I was surprised. But that surprise turned to "oh I see" because the impression RR gave after his initial appointment was a kind of "I can't implement what I'd said because I've been told not to".

I appreciate that the last game at home was not really an indication of how we would have done with Mata in the side etc but Indo feel that once everything was lost, no CL for example" RR probably wasn't obliged/pressured/told or whatever to play certain players.

Of course this could all be nonsense and it was just a chance to bid farewell to players. I just think Mata had more to give and during our dark days I would have given him the captains armband.
 
lex talionis said:
I have no evidence to back this up, but I suspect part of the reason the club kept Lingard was to prevent him from helping West Ham from challenging us for a CL or a EL spot. Given where West Ham are right now in the table it's not unreasonable to believe that a happy Lingard at West Ham might have them several points higher in the table at this point.

United are on 58 points after 36 matches
West Ham are on 52 points after 35 matches

United and West Ham are both out of of contention for fourth place now, but both clubs went into the season believing fourth place was a realistic goal. Now we're scraping EL qualification, but it's not entirely inconceivable that a happy Lingard at West Ham might have put the club above us by this point.
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Given the investment last summer I honestly don't think the club expected to be battling it out with West Ham for an EL spot with 2-3 games to go this season.

The reason he didn't go to West Ham is partly because they didn't want to pay anything like what United valued him at and partly because he probably didn't fancy West Ham and/or wanted to run his contract down.
 
Tom Cato said:
Not directed at OP: I cant stand how absolute toxic and eager to revise history into something its not a lot of you have become. This season has made you all bitter and frankly, shit. You should all be significantly better people than this but it appears too much to ask.
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I was thinking that’s what makes this place so special
 
Adisa said:
I find it hard to believe ETH is desperate to speak to him.
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Jesse turns up in a limo, proper proud of himself as he straightens his gingham tuxedo with lime green winklepickers, and walks into Ten Hag's office. He sits down without shaking hands with him, lounges casually in the chair and smirks. "So, what do you want to tell me?" He asks. Ten Hag looks down at his desk for a few seconds before answering.

"Why are there shitloads of beans in this drawer?"
 
lex talionis said:
I have no evidence to back this up, but I suspect part of the reason the club kept Lingard was to prevent him from helping West Ham from challenging us for a CL or a EL spot. Given where West Ham are right now in the table it's not unreasonable to believe that a happy Lingard at West Ham might have them several points higher in the table at this point.
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It happens.

A while back Aberdeen were pushing Celtic hard for the SPL. Danny ward was in goals for Aberdeen, and doing brilliantly.

The Celtic manager at the time (Brendan Rodgers) called in a favour from his former club (Liverpool), who Ward was on loan from. Liverpool cut short the loan spell and Ward spent the remainder of the season on the Liverpool bench.

Aberdeen's title challenge died.
 
Trying to get last buzz before leaving I see. He knows his "brand" will become irrelevant once he leaves United.
 
Which pound shops will take on the JLINGZ brand once the mardy feckwit let’s us free of his bile?

I can see Home Bargains taking him on perhaps as the face of the company
 
GoldanoGraham said:
How we have managed the last 18 months of JL just about sums up all that has been wrong with our recruitment and letting a couple of accountants in Woodward and Judge have control over player contracts…..

We lend him out as he can’t get in the team - he goes to West Ham and has a great few months….his stock/value rises considerably even though he has 1 year left on his contract.

JL comes back full of himself after having lots of smoke blown up his arse about how he performed at West Ham.

Nice guy Ole doesn’t want to upset anyone and probably doesn’t want to let him leave so that people question his management of him.

Woody and Judge think that they can extend his contract so that his asset value is protected.

We go and sign Sancho so JL has no chance to play. He starts to sulk and lets it be known he is not happy in the media and questions Ole.

Ole leaves and is replaced by RR who also doesn’t rate him or play him. We get one last chance in Jan to flog him for some cash to Newcastle…..we reject it - and then never play him again.

We leave a bitter player in our squad full of resentment…..then wonder why we have a toxic changing room?

The lesson we need to learn more than most is that when the show doesn’t fit anymore don’t put it back in the cupboard to gather dust - throw it out or sell it on eBay, just don’t hang onto it hoping that maybe one day it just might fit again.
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Good post!
 
Should have sold him last summer, I don’t know why we still have him here.
 
lex talionis said:
I have no evidence to back this up, but I suspect part of the reason the club kept Lingard was to prevent him from helping West Ham from challenging us for a CL or a EL spot. Given where West Ham are right now in the table it's not unreasonable to believe that a happy Lingard at West Ham might have them several points higher in the table at this point.

United are on 58 points after 36 matches
West Ham are on 52 points after 35 matches

United and West Ham are both out of of contention for fourth place now, but both clubs went into the season believing fourth place was a realistic goal. Now we're scraping EL qualification, but it's not entirely inconceivable that a happy Lingard at West Ham might have put the club above us by this point.
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Yup that was the rumour. Quite small time, but understandable.
 
Chripper said:
Yeah. It was my mistake.

I think the closest bid was £10m
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Even then, we should’ve taken it and ran. Apart from missing out on the transfer fee, we’ve paid him at least £5m in wages since rejecting that offer so we’ve thrown £15m down the drain to keep a player that’s below the required standard and who by all accounts seems to be a disruptive figure in the dressing room with his inclination to leak stories to the press.
 
Anustart89 said:
Even then, we should’ve taken it and ran. Apart from missing out on the transfer fee, we’ve paid him at least £5m in wages since rejecting that offer so we’ve thrown £15m down the drain to keep a player that’s below the required standard and who by all accounts seems to be a disruptive figure in the dressing room with his inclination to leak stories to the press.
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I'd take whatever they offered back then as long its permanent and no wage contribution, just washed our hand clean from Lingard. This hassle just not worth it.
 
Oldyella said:
You can't lump them together and blame the youth academy though.

Pogba was more than good enough, just gave up trying at some point.
Rashford has been fine for us till his form deserted him, most PL clubs would have loved a youth product like him coming through with is output.
Greenwood was more than good enough, I don't think the academy can be blamed for his issues.
Lingard is a decent enough footballer but not good enough for a club of our size and was kept around far too long.

All possibly on their way out, and each one a different reason.
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All lacked the attitude to succeed at United. Also note that these are the best of the lot. In reality we haven't produced a WC player from the academy since Paul Scholes burst into scene
 
romufc said:
Clearly West Ham didn't think he was worth the money. They spend £25m on Vlasic but couldn't spend £15m on Lingard, also they couldn't afford his wages, which is why when he was on loan we paid part of the wages.

When a club wants a player, they pay the money, Liverpool with VVD, United with numerous players, Chelsea, the list goes on and on.

Anyway, he is not a very professional player with no respect anyway.

Yes, Ole must have given himself a 3 year deal.
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Lingard had 1 year left in his contract. You don't know what secret deals Lingard has with West Ham. They might have already made an arrangement behind our backs for him to join them.
 
Given how close Lingard's PR team are with the media I would not trust any reports about him from the last 18 months or so.
 
Ole and co talked about United DNA and a British core of players, a project that costed us over 420m only for us to end up with this circus act. I hope this will be a lesson for United. Nationality or upbringing means nothing. Ole (as a player) was a Norwegian, not from our academy and a former Liverpool fan and yet he had more professionalism in his left toe then most of our youths combined. What truly matter is attitude, professionalism and talent.

United is not a place for second chances let alone third or fourth chances. The standards should be set too high for that. Lingard should have been shown the door the moment it was obvious that his heart wasn't at the right place. Let him sort his home problems while playing with West Ham or Everton not Manchester United. We have been too much accommodating with players which lead to our ruin. Its time for a cultural reset. United need to relearn the term 'no one is bigger then the club' and that include players who are injury prone or who do not give their 100% on the pitch week in week out.
 
The circus that has been created over this. Talksport have discussed it more than once. It’s not like Lingard was ever a certain starter for the club at any stage of his career. Anyone would think he’s one of our superstars. He clearly has friends in the media and has been stirring the pot all season, that’s why the media are constantly trying to defend him.
 
devilish said:
Lingard had 1 year left in his contract. You don't know what secret deals Lingard has with West Ham. They might have already made an arrangement behind our backs for him to join them.
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Well, you don't know this either.
 
Josep Dowling said:
The circus that has been created over this. Talksport have discussed it more than once. It’s not like Lingard was ever a certain starter for the club at any stage of his career. Anyone would think he’s one of our superstars. He clearly has friends in the media and has been stirring the pot all season, that’s why the media are constantly trying to defend him.
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Things will get worse once he has left the club imo.
 
Varun1 said:
Things will get worse once he has left the club imo.
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Have to be honest I would want to read or listen to anything that gets said about the last few years at UTD. Not just from Lingard but any player or staff.

It's been such a chitshow Im curious to what went on
 
romufc said:
Well, you don't know this either.
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True but think about it. Last season Jesse scored 9 goals and had 5 assists in 16 games. He fitted Moyes's tactics like a glove. Why wouldn't he want to sign him? A 10m price discrepancy is nothing considering that EPL clubs are loaded and that Manchester United would have probably met West Ham in the middle. Unless of course.....Jesse and West Ham had a deal sorted all along
 
I hope he isn‘t part of the squad for the last 2 games. Would be a disgrace to see him again in a United shirt on the pitch. Our player recruitment and management has been abysmal. Guys like this should have been forced out of the club a long time ago.
 
devilish said:
True but think about it. Last season Jesse scored 9 goals and had 5 assists in 16 games. He fitted Moyes's tactics like a glove. Why wouldn't he want to sign him? A 10m price discrepancy is nothing considering that EPL clubs are loaded and that Manchester United would have probably met West Ham in the middle. Unless of course.....Jesse and West Ham had a deal sorted all along
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I agree in principle what you are saying however; West Ham have got to the semis of Europa and doing well in the PL this season without him.

Things change in a season, Jesse will want a signing on bonus and who knows, West Ham might want to strengthen in other areas?
 
The vitriol toward a local lad who always gave it his all and gave us a moment of ecstasy in a cup final is weird. He’s been lied to by the previous manager about how much he’ll play and he definitely could’ve contributed something given how shit Bruno has been for large parts. Hope he does well wherever he goes.
 
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