Feck him, he can go and pop his beans somewhere else and stink out the place.
Jesse Lingard 'to leave on a free'
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It’s genuinely odd. With all the news being released, you’d think that prime Ronaldo was leaving not some overpaid benchwarmer.
Bye Afro. Beans beans beans
none of them is fit to play with United and these are the finest of the lot.
Then maybe its time United tackles it. In Italy most kids are not allowed to wear their main team's shirt up until they are proven themselves. Most are sent on loan to clubs were they can make their bones away from the limelight. Of course these are trusted clubs who will do their outmost in developing players (ex clubs like Parma for example). Maybe we can do something similar
Lingard is a good player.
How his situation was handled is a reflection of how things have been done at the club.
He was given false promises.
Two windows and he was not sold.
I wish him well.
How his situation was handled is a reflection of how things have been done at the club.
He was given false promises.
Two windows and he was not sold.
I wish him well.
Hasn't aged a bit, mentally.
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So all this is only a reflection on the club but not him?
Its funny how you say false promises, but this is Manutd, no player is guaranteed certain amount of playing time. If you play well, more chance you play, its that simple.
Also, its very naive of you and Lingard to talk about false promises, in his time at the club, he has never nailed down a starting spot, he went 1 year without a goal and assist whilst being played. All of a sudden Ole told him he will get game time, he thinks what he will be a starter? On what basis.
West Ham offered a crappy sum and signed a player for £25m in Vlasic, so clearly they didn't want him that badly.
He then also chose to stay because okay he got false promises but that was not the only reason, West Ham not being able to offer him the salary, Ronaldo coming back and he wanted to play with him and Sancho at the club, for Lingard it was vibes.
Come January window, the club said they won't sell him to West Ham because they are fighting top 4 with United, he didnt want to go to Newcastle on a permanent because they were in a relegation battle, he wanted a loan.
Why would a club send a player on loan with 6 months left? when they loaned Martial and Greenwood moved mad.
Then he twerks for West Ham on his Insta whilst playing for Manutd, his brother says he is imprisonment at United whilst he is on a 5 star holiday in Dubai.
When he was given chances this season, he took none of them.
But yeah the club treated him badly. What about the disrespect he has?
Then his brother decides to talk about the Glazers and the board? Where was he when we were protesting?
I know banking his 100k a week wage.
Hopefully Ten Hag gets here a few weeks before Lingard is out of contract, just so he can tell him to feck off, that or try talking to him, see if bitch boy has the balls to get fined his last couple of wage packets.
Good luck to whichever club signs this clown, hopefully he leaves the league, not because I think he'll perform against us, but I just can't stand his face.
Never liked lingard but good luck to him moving elsewhere.
Who the feck cares if he's been mistreated or not, if he will or won't talk to Ten Hag....ffs is Lingard we are talking about an average player at best. Good luck and feck off.
I think this shows exactly why we need to stop with over glorfying our academy players and 'home grown' stars.
We just give them too much, they feel invincible and like they have a god given right to be at the club. No matter what their performances are like.
Does Jesse forget the whole reason he got to this situation was because he was absolutely rubbish for around 2 years?
He went on loan and did well, but he couldn't continue that form again. He spend the last year trying to leave, now he's crying that he didn't get a good send off?
Just because they came through the academy should mean it matters more to them, not that they get a free ride and protection forever.
Yep, also did this a couple of days after scoring against Leicester in 2020 his first goal of the season which wasn't over at that point. The guy has no shame.
He did well at West Ham.
Why not sell a player we did not want, for whatever they offered in the summer?
The key is we had an idiot manager who did not know what he was doing.
I mean he could have gone to West Ham and said you need to up the bid, players do this when they want to leave.
Its all well and good blaming Ole but if West Ham are going to offer £8m and you say £15m, then its their loss if they dont want him.
I mean the manager you call "idiot" got us 2nd place so clearly he wasnt as clueless as you make it out.
Shrewd move by the club..
West Ham wanted him and he would have gone. The final amount is all a matter of negotiation.
As to Ole being give a 3 year contract for finishing 2nd is the idiocy of Woodward.
How we went out of the CL and lost the UEFA Final were red flags.
The way the new season unraveled confirmed how unprepared Ole was. Without going into his moral bankruptcy of not resigning after been humiliated 5-0 by our bitter rivals.
No one made a bid anywhere near £40m for him. I suspect had a club made an offer over £30m he would have went last summer.
Bye Jesse. Be careful with the door on the way out
Clearly West Ham didn't think he was worth the money. They spend £25m on Vlasic but couldn't spend £15m on Lingard, also they couldn't afford his wages, which is why when he was on loan we paid part of the wages.
When a club wants a player, they pay the money, Liverpool with VVD, United with numerous players, Chelsea, the list goes on and on.
Anyway, he is not a very professional player with no respect anyway.
Yes, Ole must have given himself a 3 year deal.
. Best that he's leaving anyway because I have heard that ETH doesn't give youth players much of a chance.He needs to cash in on the leaks he provides them.
I can hear ETH crying like a baby.
If social media PR bullshit was what we paid players for we’d be top of the league.
You can't lump them together and blame the youth academy though.
Pogba was more than good enough, just gave up trying at some point.
Rashford has been fine for us till his form deserted him, most PL clubs would have loved a youth product like him coming through with is output.
Greenwood was more than good enough, I don't think the academy can be blamed for his issues.
Lingard is a decent enough footballer but not good enough for a club of our size and was kept around far too long.
All possibly on their way out, and each one a different reason.
Goodbye Jesse. Please actually leave this time.
Why do you say things that arent true?
West Ham pursued a purchase of Lingard but were rebuffed by Manchester United who put out a £30m valuation. West Ham never put in an official bid as the asking price was too high. If you are about to say that £15m would get the job done, that is a fan guess and not something real that actually happened.
West Ham is a small club. For them to fork out Uniteds asking price for a player with 1 year left on his contract is just not going to happen. Jesse is 29 and West Ham have ever only signed 3 players above £30m, with the highest transfer fee ever being Sébastien Haller in 19/20 for £45m, who immediately bombed and was sold to Ajax at a 40% loss. All high price signings were around 25-26, most other in their early 20s and only when you get down to £16m you will find a 29 year old Chicarito that was signed 5 years ago.
Jesses contract term, age and buyer profile of West Ham makes it abundantly clear that they were never going to pay £30m for him, so why the feck is that being used against him?
Not directed at OP: I cant stand how absolute toxic and eager to revise history into something its not a lot of you have become. This season has made you all bitter and frankly, shit. You should all be significantly better people than this but it appears too much to ask.
That was Woodward's philosophy right. Social media engagement numbers dictated player buys and salaries.
Maybe I'm sentimental but I always wish a player luck when they leave UTD. Moreso if they have a history at the club. History as in came through the academy etc.
Never thought of Jesse as anything special as a player but maybe used to the SAF years and we kept many a "nothing special" player simply due to a mindset that SAF created and most were capable as back up players.
As a club we have been going in directions I can't get my head around and if intake Jesse as the example, I can't understand the contracts and wages of some players. I include Rashford in this too. Not based on this last season but altogether. Been when he was playing well I can't get my head around the wages etc.
I mention wages because I think Jesse to West Ham and them buying a £25m player whilst unwilling to pay £15m for Jesse is an unfair hammer to bash the player with. Simply because the fee is going to be important to clubs like WHU as an overall package including wages. My maths is crap but to me it makes sense to pay 25m for a player on 50k a week than 15m on a player on 120k a week ( again pulled the figure out of the air but hopefully folk get the point).
As a club we've made a rod for our own backs with some players. Think we were extremely lucky with Sanchez, and tbf it was thanks to Sanchez and his mindset rather than good business on our part. He could of stayed and sat on the bench getting paid loads.
Also find it funny that Newcastle get mentioned with almost every player we want to dump. I rate Eddie Howe and would absolutely turn on him if he paid silly money and wages for likes of Jesse. Sure on a free with high wages sort of evens out. But folk saying 70m for Rashy on his current form I think that's laughable personally.
Never thought of Jesse as anything special as a player but maybe used to the SAF years and we kept many a "nothing special" player simply due to a mindset that SAF created and most were capable as back up players.
As a club we have been going in directions I can't get my head around and if intake Jesse as the example, I can't understand the contracts and wages of some players. I include Rashford in this too. Not based on this last season but altogether. Been when he was playing well I can't get my head around the wages etc.
I mention wages because I think Jesse to West Ham and them buying a £25m player whilst unwilling to pay £15m for Jesse is an unfair hammer to bash the player with. Simply because the fee is going to be important to clubs like WHU as an overall package including wages. My maths is crap but to me it makes sense to pay 25m for a player on 50k a week than 15m on a player on 120k a week ( again pulled the figure out of the air but hopefully folk get the point).
As a club we've made a rod for our own backs with some players. Think we were extremely lucky with Sanchez, and tbf it was thanks to Sanchez and his mindset rather than good business on our part. He could of stayed and sat on the bench getting paid loads.
Also find it funny that Newcastle get mentioned with almost every player we want to dump. I rate Eddie Howe and would absolutely turn on him if he paid silly money and wages for likes of Jesse. Sure on a free with high wages sort of evens out. But folk saying 70m for Rashy on his current form I think that's laughable personally.
After this season, I just don't understand the logic of keeping
Mata, Matic, Bailey, Jones, Lingard
Mata, Matic, Bailey, Jones, Lingard
What are you on about?
We have established Lingard was not wanted. It was a matter of negotiation to get rid of an unwanted player. But Ole saw what he did at West Ham and persuaded him to stay.
I did not blame Ole for the contract. That is Woodward's doing.
But Ole should have resigned after us being humiliated At Home by Liverpool, if he actually loved the club as he claimed.
The severance could have been negotiated.
Instead we had to wait until being humiliated at Watford who are now relegated.
The fact is the club should have fired him after that Liverpool defeat even if he had not resigned.
Well here we are.
I think most posters are doing the same. Just not spelling it out here. People just want Lingard gone and not wishing that his career gets trashed.
His PR team has been on overdrive spinning stories that ETH wants to have a word but he’s decided to have a move. Can’t wait till we are without him, Marcus and Pogba.
And you know exactly what happened how? Whether it was 15m or 30m it's all speculation.
I mean Dortmund said Sancho price is £120m, United still put a bid of £75m
Spurs said Kane is worth £150m but City put a bid of £100m.
Why should United care about West Ham's model? Are we meant to do them a favour and give them a player for less than what he is valued at? Are we a charity?
Secondly, £30m might be the case but West Ham never put a bid in, which shows they were not serious about it. They were happy to spend £25m on Vlasic though, who is a bench player at best for them.
So what we should sell to clubs out of sympathy? Do you think West Ham will look to do anything but get maximum value if we ask them for Rice?
A club who actually wants a player will go test the resolve of the selling club. I mean even Leeds who were in the championship not long ago bought James for £25m.
Oh yes we are toxic, fans who take time out their day, spend money on Manutd are toxic because a team couldn't afford Lingard. A player who has continuously disrespected the fans and the club, whilst picking up the £100k a week wage. Posting pictures in West Ham shirt, retweeting their posts, saying he is in prison whilst on a 5 star holiday in Dubai.
Let alone all the disrespect to not only the fans, his peers and manager, leaking things to the press.
Right. I do recall Fergie resigning after losing 6-1 to Man City.
I recall Ralf resigning after losing 4-0 and 4-1 to Liverpool and City.
You can bet your house this whole "ETH wants to have a chat" story is complete bollocks too. The man is currently locked in a tight title race with PSV, the last thing on his mind is having a chat with Jesse feckin Lingard. What's probably been said is he's interested in having one to ones with each player, but Captain Cringe has done what he does best and simply twisted and leaked a story about ETH talking to him about staying to the press to inflate his feeling of self-worth.
Academy prospect or not, he's a nothing player, and I doubt ETH gives a feck whether he stays or goes. Let's see if PSG and Milan give him that £150k a week contract.
Academy prospect or not, he's a nothing player, and I doubt ETH gives a feck whether he stays or goes. Let's see if PSG and Milan give him that £150k a week contract.
Getting desperate I see.
Don't insult Fergie by comparing him to this clueless muppet Ole. The score was merely the icing on a clueless, souless display. In fact the 2-0 loss to City was worse.
Pep just was being kind.
Now you bringing Ralf into it is truly funny. Must try harder.