Jesse Lingard 'to leave on a free'

Roane said:
Have to be honest I would want to read or listen to anything that gets said about the last few years at UTD. Not just from Lingard but any player or staff.

It's been such a chitshow Im curious to what went on
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Not me, would be difficult to believe anything that he will have to say. But it will probably be in the form of leaks again without naming the source, at which point I wouldn't know who to believe.
 
romufc said:
I agree in principle what you are saying however; West Ham have got to the semis of Europa and doing well in the PL this season without him.

Things change in a season, Jesse will want a signing on bonus and who knows, West Ham might want to strengthen in other areas?
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Well these backroom deals can backfire spectacularly. For example the player in question might pick a long term injury which would literally ruin his career. Which is why I believe the likes of Lingard, Pogba and Cavani hasn't pulled their weight lately. Alternatively the player might not keep his promise. It would be interesting to see how Newcastle's recent turn of fortune will impact these sort of deals. Having said that you'd expect that a deal that is going to be done literally in few months time will be respected.

In my opinion United need a cultural shock. We need to avoid circumstances were players reach their final year of contract and we also need to avoid buying players whose heading towards the end of their career.
 
devilish said:
Well these backroom deals can backfire spectacularly. For example the player in question might pick a long term injury which would literally ruin his career. Which is why I believe the likes of Lingard, Pogba and Cavani hasn't pulled their weight lately. Alternatively the player might not keep his promise. It would be interesting to see how Newcastle's recent turn of fortune will impact these sort of deals. Having said that you'd expect that a deal that is going to be done literally in few months time will be respected.

In my opinion United need a cultural shock. We need to avoid circumstances were players reach their final year of contract and we also need to avoid buying players whose heading towards the end of their career.
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Exactly, circumstances change in a year.

I agree, we need a massive culture shock, alot of our players have this entitled attitude, we need players that will want to improve, learn and play for their spot.

We also need footballers fully focused on their footballing career. Thats what we pay them to do.
 
Tavern in the town said:
The vitriol toward a local lad who always gave it his all and gave us a moment of ecstasy in a cup final is weird. He’s been lied to by the previous manager about how much he’ll play and he definitely could’ve contributed something given how shit Bruno has been for large parts. Hope he does well wherever he goes.
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He had over a year as a 1st team regular without registering a single goal or assist, and was replaced by a superior player, just how many more chances should the he have been given?
 
romufc said:
Exactly, circumstances change in a year.

I agree, we need a massive culture shock, alot of our players have this entitled attitude, we need players that will want to improve, learn and play for their spot.

We also need footballers fully focused on their footballing career. Thats what we pay them to do.
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Well in recent years I doubt that its the case. Our club since obsessed with social media presence which might be the reason why the likes of Pogba and Jesse were allowed to get away with everything. Its a shame though as I believe we have it the wrong way. When United are successful then we don't need media whores to attract attention towards the club
 
Tavern in the town said:
The vitriol toward a local lad who always gave it his all and gave us a moment of ecstasy in a cup final is weird. He’s been lied to by the previous manager about how much he’ll play and he definitely could’ve contributed something given how shit Bruno has been for large parts. Hope he does well wherever he goes.
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Bruno in his worst season for Utd still has more goals and assists than Lingards best season at Utd.
 
Tavern in the town said:
The vitriol toward a local lad who always gave it his all and gave us a moment of ecstasy in a cup final is weird. He’s been lied to by the previous manager about how much he’ll play and he definitely could’ve contributed something given how shit Bruno has been for large parts. Hope he does well wherever he goes.
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How do you know what was promised or not? It's clear Jesse is on a PR tour and probably has been for a while. Bruno has been more productive in his worst season then Lingard at his best. Don't believe everything the media says, it most likely comes from Lingard himself.
 
Tavern in the town said:
The vitriol toward a local lad who always gave it his all and gave us a moment of ecstasy in a cup final is weird. He’s been lied to by the previous manager about how much he’ll play and he definitely could’ve contributed something given how shit Bruno has been for large parts. Hope he does well wherever he goes.
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No one doesn’t wish him well when he leaves, they just want him to leave.

You don’t know if he’s been lied to or not, you’re choosing to believe he’s been lied to.

Apart from his abysmal performances, going a whole year without a goal or an assist as a forward player, this is a bloke who launched a clothing brand the same day as the Derby to maximise his own personal gain, he tweeted an advert for a video game bang in the middle of a memorial for the Busby babes, which he was attending, and he posted a tribute to the victims of the Manchester bombings with pictures that were pasted with his own JLINGZ branding all over them.

He’s made countless mistakes, all in the public eye. He’s possibly the most badly advised footballer ever and he’s irreversibly damaged his image to United fans.
 
Tavern in the town said:
The vitriol toward a local lad who always gave it his all
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He didn't though did he. The biggest complaint about him is his atrocious attitude on the pitch.

He had a purple patch a few years back and a goal in a cup final, other than that he's flattered to deceive and has massively overstayed his welcome.
 
I've never seen such a storm in a teacup over a fecking substitution.

It's clear as day he's briefed his friends in the media. Surely new clubs will be looking at this circus he's created and having thoughts whether they want the hassle themselves.
 
Lookin forward to Insta/twitter post from PR or his brother. Has to be picture of him in United shirt when he was 6, 7. Hope they don't forget to mention "United through and through", "United DNA", "Bleeds red".
 
Tavern in the town said:
The vitriol toward a local lad who always gave it his all and gave us a moment of ecstasy in a cup final is weird. He’s been lied to by the previous manager about how much he’ll play and he definitely could’ve contributed something given how shit Bruno has been for large parts. Hope he does well wherever he goes.
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But you've no problem calling Ole a liar despite having no clue what was said in private between two other humans.

Although I do agree with Lingard getting too much stick. Can't knock his workrate when he's on the pitch. Always topped the charts for us in that regard.
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
What a prick.
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Seriously ... Telling your beleaguered manager on game day (such an important one) to pull you from the match squad and subsequent training days as you have a family matter, then having your brother whinge because you were not brought on against Brentford when we were coasting at 3-0.

Now it might have been an extremely serious issue, but I doubt it.
 
Club doesn’t need players like this. Fergie got rid of far more talented players before and in their prime because they threatened to unbalance things.

Goodbye Jesse. Thanks for the cup final goal!
 
UnitedSofa said:
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This is the value of Rangnick. He is not afraid to air the dirty laundry.

People say it shouldn't be done in public but we've seen with OGS players just take the piss then and try to run the club themselves.

Doing what he's done, Ralf has earned the trust and support of (sane and rational) United fans despite his managerial record being mixed, to say the least. We know he's not here to be a long-term coaching or managerial success but to put proverbial boot up the club's hierarchy's behind and get them to change their ways.

Very much living up to the moniker of Wrecking Ralf.
 
Funny how Lingard told Scholes about things that were meant to be kept for people at the club, not a pundit and yet his own brother doesnt know anything but decided to tweet about something controversial publicaly in order to protect Lingard that turns out to be false & invite angry mobs instead. Theyre both just as stupid.

I can see it now. They will soon moan about hate tweets that people send them, that they asked for by spreading bullshit.
 
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Tavern in the town said:
The vitriol toward a local lad who always gave it his all and gave us a moment of ecstasy in a cup final is weird. He’s been lied to by the previous manager about how much he’ll play and he definitely could’ve contributed something given how shit Bruno has been for large parts. Hope he does well wherever he goes.
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And this is partially why this club has found itself lacking for years and years. Players allowed to get away with antics, being incredibly poor on the pitch and allowed to make a mockery of the club all because supporters like you are all to eager to excuse them based purely on the fact that they are 'local lads.'

I don't give two shits if he was born in the stadium, he's been completely garbage for us on the pitch 9 times out of 10 with the odd game or purple patch, he's completely immature and has constantly done stupid things, this includes posting pictures of him in the West Ham kit whilst he's playing for us, putting up obvious PR posts to curry the fans favour, multiple times asking not to be included in the matchday squad, telling outsiders the dressing room is awful I could go on and on.

As terrible as Bruno has been recently he is 10x the player Jesse Lingard is. Jesse Lingard, 165 appearences in the league with 29 goals and 14 assists. Bruno Fernandes, 85 appearences in the league with 36 goals and 25 assists.

But it's okay, we should forget everything because he's a local lad. This is why we have to suffer the likes of Scott McTominay because of his passion and desire and he's an academy boy. Sick and tired of this nonsense.

Ole gave us a moment of ecstasy in a cup final but you're more than eager to blame him for Lingard's attitude, guessing it's not cause he's a local lad who tried hard enough?
 
Tavern in the town said:
The vitriol toward a local lad who always gave it his all and gave us a moment of ecstasy in a cup final is weird. He’s been lied to by the previous manager about how much he’ll play and he definitely could’ve contributed something given how shit Bruno has been for large parts. Hope he does well wherever he goes.
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And if he doesnt do well elsewhere then its a proof that his attitude stinks. But we all know he will never take responsibility. He feels like he is special, deserves a send off, etc. Welbeck and Cleverley achieved much more than him and they didnt moan about a send off knowing they were in a downward trajectory. They accepted where they were while Lingard seems to be proud he is shit.
 
So crystal clear now the players that down tools at the slightest grievance.

How many excuses has this cnut lingard given us over the years? About being depressed and what the feck not.

Im so glad we are getting rid of them. Its truely a new beginning.
 
UnitedSofa said:
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Glad Ralf has set the record straight.

What the feck was he hoping for? A testimonial? A few minutes at the end of the game so he could take his phone out and upload a selfie to Instagram?

What a manchild. The more we get rid of players with weak mentalities the better.
 
Tavern in the town said:
The vitriol toward a local lad who always gave it his all and gave us a moment of ecstasy in a cup final is weird. He’s been lied to by the previous manager about how much he’ll play and he definitely could’ve contributed something given how shit Bruno has been for large parts. Hope he does well wherever he goes.
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We signed Bruno to replace his shitness. No matter how bad Bruno is, I’d still take him over Lingard.
 
UnitedSofa said:
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Class response. If it were me I would have also mentioned how poor Jesse has been for years, how it's disrespectful to the fans and the club to post pictures of yourself in another team's shirt and would have made a vague mention of the leaks to the media.

Glad we have RR for 2 years advising the club.
 
Tavern in the town said:
The vitriol toward a local lad who always gave it his all and gave us a moment of ecstasy in a cup final is weird. He’s been lied to by the previous manager about how much he’ll play and he definitely could’ve contributed something given how shit Bruno has been for large parts. Hope he does well wherever he goes.
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Back when I started following football that 'local lad' card was a sort of guarantee for club in question. It meant that the player in question was worth invested upon because he would be too grateful to bite the hand that made him and fed him for so many years. We had young Gary Neville claiming that he would rather retire from football then making it a club that was not Manchester United. For him it was either Manchester United or nothing. People like that was worth investing time and effort in them because if they do succeed then they would bleed on the pitch for at least a decade. That was what made academy players attractive.

At one point the goalposts had shifted and instead of owning us for investing in them we were expected to owe them. That really doesn't make sense. We invested time and money on Jesse Lingard. That was necessary to turn him into an EPL level player, an English international and a millionaire. Sure there are talent such as Baggio and Maradona who quite frankly could do it on their own. Jesse is certainly not one of them. So United aren't the ones owing anything in this case. We made Jesse, we were patient with him as he developed into the player he is now and we stuck to him despite losing himself with the Jlingz brand and his family problems. This is how he repaid us
 
devilish said:
Back when I started following football that 'local lad' card was a sort of guarantee for club in question. It meant that the player in question was worth invested upon because he would be too grateful to bite the hand that made him and fed him for so many years. We had young Gary Neville claiming that he would rather retire from football then making it a club that was not Manchester United. For him it was either Manchester United or nothing. People like that was worth investing time and effort in them because if they do succeed then they would bleed on the pitch for at least a decade. That was what made academy players attractive.

At one point the goalposts had shifted and instead of owning us for investing in them we were expected to owe them. That really doesn't make sense. We invested time and money on Jesse Lingard. That was necessary to turn him into an EPL level player, an English international and a millionaire. Sure there are talent such as Baggio and Maradona who quite frankly could do it on their own. Jesse is certainly not one of them. So United aren't the ones owing anything in this case. We made Jesse, we were patient with him as he developed into the player he is now and we stuck to him despite losing himself with the Jlingz brand and his family problems. This is how he repaid us
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That's how I felt for a long time. Fairly sure now, it's all make believe. It's easy enough to say you bleed and this and the other when your career was at the most successful club. Were Neville to start at Everton, you think he would not have moved to United? Sure he would. We make to much of this players when it comes to loyalty. We have so many great legends because we were super successful, not because they were some sort of die hard loyal fans. There are exceptions of course.
 
Tavern in the town said:
The vitriol toward a local lad who always gave it his all and gave us a moment of ecstasy in a cup final is weird. He’s been lied to by the previous manager about how much he’ll play and he definitely could’ve contributed something given how shit Bruno has been for large parts. Hope he does well wherever he goes.
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He didn't give it his all, that's one of my biggest issues with him. There was a game against City were he was actively hiding and reducing passing lanes for his team mates, might have been in the League Cup, I've never been able to look past that. Same with McTominay. It's one thing being shit, it's another actively shirking responsibility.
 
Tavern in the town said:
The vitriol toward a local lad who always gave it his all and gave us a moment of ecstasy in a cup final is weird. He’s been lied to by the previous manager about how much he’ll play and he definitely could’ve contributed something given how shit Bruno has been for large parts. Hope he does well wherever he goes.
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Lingard's PR team are so desperate, they've started creating dupes on Redcafe.
 
Tavern in the town said:
The vitriol toward a local lad who always gave it his all and gave us a moment of ecstasy in a cup final is weird. He’s been lied to by the previous manager about how much he’ll play and he definitely could’ve contributed something given how shit Bruno has been for large parts. Hope he does well wherever he goes.
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Gave it his all? After not getting his loan move to Newcastle, he immediately downed tools and asked for time off, where he fecked off to Dubai mid season because he didn't 'feel ready' for selection. And just today in Rangnick's recent press conference, he mentioned how Lingard didn't feature against Chelsea because he asked to be released from the squad. And I've not even gone into his other shenanigans like sharing photos of him in a West Ham kit while playing for us.

Park Ji-Sung, Darren Fletcher..heck even Dan James were all examples of players who gave it their all, even if some of them were limited players. Gary Neville was never an exceptionally gifted footballer yet made a very successful career of being United mainstay RB and even Captain through sheer work ethic and attitude. Lingard has been nothing but a cringelord who believed his own hype with an inflated sense of self-worth and ego, all without the ability nor work ethic to show for it.
 
Tavern in the town said:
The vitriol toward a local lad who always gave it his all and gave us a moment of ecstasy in a cup final is weird. He’s been lied to by the previous manager about how much he’ll play and he definitely could’ve contributed something given how shit Bruno has been for large parts. Hope he does well wherever he goes.
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A shit Bruno can still score a goal. We know for certain a shit Jesse Lingard can go at least a year without a single goal, or an assist. The previous manager played him as often as most would deem reasonable on that basis. He can consider himself fortunate to have had more starts and minutes under Ralf but that's essentially just down to Martial, Greenwood unavailable since January, and Cavani injured most of the time. It's only cause he can run around a lot that he was ahead of Mata, who'd I'd have much preferred to see play his minutes.
 
jackal&hyde said:
That's how I felt for a long time. Fairly sure now, it's all make believe. It's easy enough to say you bleed and this and the other when your career was at the most successful club. Were Neville to start at Everton, you think he would not have moved to United? Sure he would. We make to much of this players when it comes to loyalty. We have so many great legends because we were super successful, not because they were some sort of die hard loyal fans. There are exceptions of course.
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Gaz has a long history with Malta and we grew up with him, Phil and his father coming to visit the supporters club on a regular basis. In my opinion the answer is that he would have remained at the club simply because of the rather insular mentality the guy has. The guy knew little about football outside the EPL something that is quite obvious to everyone as he dabbled in punditry. Actually punditry had pushed him not to be so Manchester United biased which kind of explains why he might accept things (ex Lingard's leaks) that he wouldn't have tolerated back when he was a player.

My point is that we've got this local lad thing wrong. We invested money, time and took risks on these local talent so they could succeed, something that ended up turning them into celebrities and millionaires. They owe us not viceversa. That's something the likes of Gaz, Giggs, Scholes and Butt always acknowledged and believed in and which was somehow lost along the way.
 
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