I wouldn’t be surprised if Martial joins Lingard and DDG in the scrap heap
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That’s funny, but I’m not sure why Scholesy cares? If I were him I’d just nothing JLingz like the rest of us do.
Well somebody needs to tell the waster.
Love it 
Was coming in here to post that. Hilarious
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Personally am soo glad to see lingard struggle for the last few years. A very average player who began the brand mindset that took over at manutd...martial, rashford, pogba..every player wanted to be a brand but had done nothing in the game. He began this nonsense trend of players releasing statements to counter the manager. They only release statements when at manutd. As soon as they get to Westham or wherever, these brothers are silent.
At manutd he was releasing dance videos, fifa videos blah blah blah...now with no club he is releasing workout videos. An absolute joke of a player.
And then he consistently complained about not playing at manutd.. forgetting he wasn't actually that good. He went out on loan, was rescued by moyes and then ditched him to go sit bench for more money.
Lingard is the latest example of very average footballers who believe the hype. Lingard, delli ali, sancho, martial etc are very very average footballers who get lost in hype after a few games. When everything has disappeared they turn around and blame social media pressures and depression. Martial is another one. He became so humble after the failed sevilla loan, even he couldn't believe how bad he performed. I have zero pitty for such lousy players...martial has not completed 90 minutes in 4 years. These are the kind of players we should just terminate.
They wouldnt even be known in Fergusons time. Seeing lingard struggle to even get the saudi deal is beautiful to see. Joker of a player. Same joy with seeing De gea after he turned down 200k to be second choice here and then just see every top club completely ignore him. He has to accept even less than we offered or retire. Good riddance for both.
At manutd he was releasing dance videos, fifa videos blah blah blah...now with no club he is releasing workout videos. An absolute joke of a player.
And then he consistently complained about not playing at manutd.. forgetting he wasn't actually that good. He went out on loan, was rescued by moyes and then ditched him to go sit bench for more money.
Lingard is the latest example of very average footballers who believe the hype. Lingard, delli ali, sancho, martial etc are very very average footballers who get lost in hype after a few games. When everything has disappeared they turn around and blame social media pressures and depression. Martial is another one. He became so humble after the failed sevilla loan, even he couldn't believe how bad he performed. I have zero pitty for such lousy players...martial has not completed 90 minutes in 4 years. These are the kind of players we should just terminate.
They wouldnt even be known in Fergusons time. Seeing lingard struggle to even get the saudi deal is beautiful to see. Joker of a player. Same joy with seeing De gea after he turned down 200k to be second choice here and then just see every top club completely ignore him. He has to accept even less than we offered or retire. Good riddance for both.
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While I agree with your Lingard sentiment (for most part), there are some false equivalences with De Gea.
De Gea is legitimately a legend of the club having won 4 back to back player of the season awards for us and 5 PL Team of the Year. While the club has rightly or wrongly moved on from him, pitting him with the likes of Lingard is particularly low and we shouldn't be having that. Cases may be made for Rashford and Pogba but I'm in no mood to defend them.
Nah, the back to back doesn't matter...De Gea was consistently bad for the last 3 years. Not average, bad. The club RIGHTLY moved him on. The comparison is not in the legend status...its in the pride vs actual on field performances.
Its not even a debate...it is absolutely surprising that he still believed the hype...he believed that he couldn't be second choice at manutd for 200k. I am absolutely overjoyed to see him just sit there and tweet about esports. This guy was not humble enough see that he was a problem for us...rather than smooth the transition, he really thought big clubs would pay him 350k to be thier number 1. Good riddance.
To be honest, the club pulled a fast one on him and provided reduced terms despite agreeing a contract previously. I don't particularly enjoy seeing De Gea not playing for another club as he's one of those few who I would still root for, something which I can't say for most of our former players. And it hasn't been a smooth transition for us as well.
Anyways, Lingard genuinely believed his own hype and chose more salary over a 1 year period with Forest rather than a 3 year deal with West Ham. Serves him right that he's struggling to get anyone to sign him.
Scholes with early contender for comment of the year
To be fair, that was only in the league and he played less than 16 matches worth of minutes in that period between the assist against Burnley (29/01/19) and his goal against Leicester (26/07/20). In between there he also had three goals and two assists in the Europa, FA Cup and EFL Cup. That's not to say he wasn't shit at that time (he was), but I think a little context should be added. He'd also been a fair bit better before that period; obviously not to the point that he 'should' have been a starter if we'd been at the level that we should be, but he'd have been fine as a squad player. 25 goals and 14 assists in the three seasons before that.
Obviously it's all went to shit for him since 2019 though (bar that half a season at West Ham).
It does say a lot that we've had players who stay at the club for way too many years and then when they do leave they go on to do nothing. The standards really dropped appallingly.
We didn't agree a contract. We offered a contract that De Gea refused to sign. He waited and waited and waited, trying to get more from either us or someone else, and then a month after the season ended and a couple of days before his old contract expired he finally decided to agree to what we'd offered. However by that time we'd also looked at our options and no longer wanted to offer him that contract. That's the risk he was taking, and it would have been incredibly unprofessional on our part to just twiddle our thumbs while waiting for his decision at that point. Hell, we were only two weeks off the next pre-season starting.
The drop off for most players is alarming, many of whom are late twenties, early 30s. We have overvalued players who are bang average.
What has Lingard ever done to in Football to be considered as top drawer ??
He had that little purple patch at West Ham but I really don't remember him doing much before or after that.
If the Saudis don't want him that really tells a story.
He had that little purple patch at West Ham but I really don't remember him doing much before or after that.
If the Saudis don't want him that really tells a story.
Feels like he just needs his social media hit than an actual contract
If wasn't the (lack of) goals that were even the biggest problem for me personally. He was well and truly atrocious over an extremely long period at a time when City had de Bruyne as their starting 10 and Liverpool had Firmino. His continued appearances for Manchester United are proof positive of that erosion of standards we've had. United seemed to be a charity organisation for failing footballers, who got ever bigger contracts for ever decreasing ability. That needs to change.
It seems you know more than Man United public release:
" Talks were positive and, at one stage, an agreement was close -- although United insist that a formal contract offer was never made -- "
https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_...manchester-united-club-legend-bittersweet-end
"Man Utd failed to make formal contract offer to De Gea
United spent several months in negotiations with De Gea over a new contract - but are understood to have not formally offered terms to the goalkeeper.
Sky Sports News reported last month that De Gea's future was in the balance and that both parties were exploring their options."
https://www.skysports.com/football/...nnounces-exit-after-failing-to-agree-new-deal
He has a personal relationship with Lingard
True, I forgot about that. It seems we verbally made our offer rather than actually have it all written up in front of him, which I'm guessing is normal practice until the two parties verbally agree anyway. It does even further indicate that we didn't 'pull a fast one' and reduce our offer after having an agreement to the previous one.
Paul speaks to Jesse. I don't read this as a dig at Jesse but more to motivate him to make the most of his last few professional years.
Was tempted to post that I miss Lingard the other day after that defeat to Forest. I was very drunk and I know times are hard with us often being shit, but even so that was extreme.
I apologise.
Well said Paul!
I apologise.
Well said Paul!
Does anyone or indeed has anyone actually ever considered him to be top drawer though?
Yeah. It more seems like EtH was dithering ever since, and those Sevilla, FA Cup games sealed off DDG's fate.
Or probably just both parties saving faces.
Anyway. It doesn't really matter. I was just in argument mood.
Spot on.
DDG hadn't been good enough for at least 2 seasons by the time he left, with some huge games bottled even earlier. You can never doubt his attitude though, his game had just declined. No shame in it.
Lingard, Pogba, Martial, Sancho, Di Maria - the list goes on and on. We've signed some absolute melts since SAF left. Its rare exceptions like DDG, Hererra and Mata (seems I have a thing for Spaniards) who I actively want to do well after leaving us.
Loving the two footer from Scholesy.
Apparently he’s ’offered himself’ to Barcelona
I think there’s some truth in it
Lingard doesn’t seem particularly motivated to play football any more. Seems more focused on his outside activities
Lingard doesn’t seem particularly motivated to play football any more. Seems more focused on his outside activities
Weird that he hasn't been able to find a club, he has his whole career ahead of him.
That's not Paul Scholes' Twitter.
Its not, its his Insta account he posted it on.
Lingard is retired, everybody knows it. He not ready to admit it?
I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up at Rangers. They need another forward.
Apparently he is still asking for big money !!! I can't see him at Rangers.
He would probably make a killing in the US. He would be amongst the better performers in the league and would have an instant media profile due to his association with United; I can't imagine he would be short of takers.