I believe in angel. Something good in everything I see
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I believe in angel. Something good in everything I see
I've even checked how many touches Lingard had in those games (459). That means he produces a key pass every 65.6 touches.
Kevin De Bruyne in the last two games managed 145 touches and got 12 key passes. That means he produces a key pass every 12.1 touches. Granted we're comparing Lingard to one of the best creative players in the league. But even so, hes just so ineffective in the final third, i'm generally stunned he's still first choice.
I’m a defender of players but no goal or assist in 2019 for a no10 is pretty bad.
It's absolutely abysmal, we should be playing Pogba in that role.
Why has Ole given a player who gets no goals and assists the no.10 role?
I'm surprised we played with a two man midfield vs Wolves. I don't know what you guys think but Pogba is playing far too deep for me. I think a 4-3-3 would be a better system. If not that at least get someone who can score and pass in the no.10 position. Angel Gomes would be a better option than Lingard. Evan Mata but even he looked awful when he come on off the bench.
I'm surprised we played with a two man midfield vs Wolves. I don't know what you guys think but Pogba is playing far too deep for me. I think a 4-3-3 would be a better system. If not that at least get someone who can score and pass in the no.10 position. Angel Gomes would be a better option than Lingard. Evan Mata but even he looked awful when he come on off the bench.
Offload offload offload!
And like Lingard de Bruyne also works hard. That is what Manchester United should aim for. Worldclass ability but also a hard worker.. yet some people here compliment Lingard because he works hard and moves around. Almost like a player cant do both. I find it such a weird argument to defend Lingard with.
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Like Tom Cleverley before him an utterly pointless player who is completely out of his depth. How can you go over 1000 minutes of football without assisting or scoring as an attacking player for Manchester United? I don't wanna hear 'but he runs alot'. That is the bare minimum. Not good enough.
Entire year in Premier League without any goals and assists.
But hey how cares about these useless things. Movement and linking is all that matter. Goals are overrated.
This. This. 100% this. Lingard's defenders talk like his pressing or workrate are some unique skill but there are quality players out there that offer everything he does with goals and assists and dribbles in addition. Liverpool's whole team presses. City's stars press the ball. Tottenham presses and works their arses off. Barca under Pep with all those world class players swarmed the ball like a pack of wolves. Pressing the ball and "putting in a shift" should be a minimum requirement, not an attribute.
A sort of test for Ole's man management skills, surely he doesn't have a blind spot re:Lingard's strengths in pressing and placing more import on those intangibles ahead of telling contributions like goals and assists. Having seen both since last season's run in it's clear that Mata and Lingard are done, Pogba in the deep lying role is helping our build up and it affords him more time on the ball so we still need a 10. Will he give Gomes a chance?
If he persists with Lingard then like Jose with his favourites, Van Gaal with Rooney it will be his neck on Woodward's chopping block if he doesn't sort it out.
Pretty sure your an average Saturday morning league player would get lucky with a shot or a pass or 2 playing that many minutes. Might not be able to run as much
Entire year in Premier League without any goals and assists.
But hey how cares about these useless things. Movement and linking is all that matter. Goals are overrated.
Well technically not an entire year, more like 8 months, 2 of which were pre season. But 6 months of fixtures is pretty terrible. The lack of key passes sums him up.
Ole could be buying time while Angel matures or we buy a better player. United didn’t want to go all out spending and it’s evident they prefer to have an annual budget, that’s why Ole alluded to re-building taking time. Eventually Jesse will be replaced but he’s not our biggest problem right now.
One hell of a long term plan. The owners and Mr Woodward have messed things up so much. Each window has been a mess. There is still no proper plan in place just hope we stumble into something.
Both groups... those that insist he’s completely shit and those who insist he’s very good are both wrong. For now, he carries out the managers instructions flawlessly. Plays very intelligently putting out fires and pressing from the front a few times I saw him run all the way from one end of the pitch to the other.
Lingard was a great option in 15/16 and 16/17 as he was still something of an unknown quantity. He produced in the important matches and he was actually somewhat young then (23/24).
These days he's starting most of our games and producing nothing. He's a hard worker, but that's not good enough for Manchester United. As a squad player, I don't mind him, but he should not be starting week after week.
These days he's starting most of our games and producing nothing. He's a hard worker, but that's not good enough for Manchester United. As a squad player, I don't mind him, but he should not be starting week after week.
That’s fantastic, did he do anything in that run?
Im saying I disagree with that, but last game he wasnt as bad as many say.
After every game people say he's shit, even the games he played ok
I suppose he was breathing in and out. That counts?
Lingard can and should be upgraded on but he plays as we have no better options. Angel is better with the ball but Jesse is better defensively.If he's such a link up play genius like some people make him out to be, Barca and Pep at City would be drooling over him with their style of play. They're not because he doesn't have decent dribbling, passing, vision, or first touch to cut it at any top club as a proper No.10
I'm not sure if Newcastle would drool over Jesse Lingard to be honest, who has become a regular starting 11 and is even making our only world class midfielder play further back so that he can play his favorite position behind the striker and try to score...rather unsuccessfully.
Sums it up
Last year we had Smalling and Young in the back four.
This year we have Maguire, AWB and the team has had a full pre-season under Ole.
Yes we had those problems getting the ball to Pogba when he was higher up the pitch during the end of Ole's honeymoon period but right now it is the best of two options.
The other one being a fit Sanchez there (yes I still believe he can offer something).
I admire Ole's bravery to drop Matic, Fred (?), Young, Smalling, Jones etc but now he's got to realise, Lingard should not be his go to guy and the seniour guard have their qualities. FFS even the babies in Greenword, Chong and Gomes are better options.
I can't really fathom why he starts most games. He simply isn't good enough to. Decent squad player at best.
In the next press conference the feckin journalists should asking Solskjaer what he thinks about Lingard's goals and assists in the last 15 months.
Pereira or Gomes must start against Crystal Palace.
Jesse Lingard is a great example of what is happening in the rest of society. Talentwise and per his football accomplishments, he is a marginal player who couldn't play at any other Premier League club - ask yourself what would be his selling price to another PL club? However, he keeps the right people happy, like Pogba and Rashford and successive managers, and by virtue of his social media and the fact that he is an Academy product, the rest of fandom. He also gives everyone the impression that he is a better player than he is by starting clothing brands, dating famous models, usually the spoils that the best players like CR7 only get after reaching a high level of performance.
As a result, he is in the starting 11 of one of the biggest clubs in the world, taking up a place that would be far better used by other players (who are inevitably less high-profile and therefore seem, unfairly, less tested) who have a far higher current performance level and ceiling.
All good clubs need characters like him around but it is only in this era that they have grown from being bit-part players (like Anderson) kept around the club for morale to being stars in their own right. I hope that Ole does keep him around as a reserve or impact sub but he has to realise that Lingard needs to be removed from consideration as a regular starter forever.
As a result, he is in the starting 11 of one of the biggest clubs in the world, taking up a place that would be far better used by other players (who are inevitably less high-profile and therefore seem, unfairly, less tested) who have a far higher current performance level and ceiling.
All good clubs need characters like him around but it is only in this era that they have grown from being bit-part players (like Anderson) kept around the club for morale to being stars in their own right. I hope that Ole does keep him around as a reserve or impact sub but he has to realise that Lingard needs to be removed from consideration as a regular starter forever.
Was watching the Debate on sky and Ian Holloway mentioned that Lingard being 27 years old now should step up now but he got corrected that Lingard was 25. They then went on to yap about how Lingard is a young lad from that point on
They literally cut 2 years off his age so they can continue perpetrating the "He is still a young lad" narrative. The guy is turning 27 in a few months for heaven sakes
They literally cut 2 years off his age so they can continue perpetrating the "He is still a young lad" narrative. The guy is turning 27 in a few months for heaven sakes
I don't think pogba is really a second striker, and doesn't press with the intensity of lingard or Andreas. Pogba would barely has got the ball if we asked him to sit in the middle of wolves 2 banks of 3 so we would have just swapped pogbas quality for Freda in cm and lost our press
He shouldn't be starting games. He would be OK as a squad player, and as a fan and from the academy, he would keep the morale going.
Yeah, I think it is obvious that Lingard is not good enough.
He's not good enough as a squad player either, I don't know why people keep repeating this myth.
The game against Chelsea was turned around when Lingard was moved from the right to the center. That's why he started against Wolves. He is basically being put into an offensive position as a number 10 for his defensive skills of pace, technical ability, a strong engine and an ability to carry out the manager's game plan. Man Utd don't really have a lot in the way of alternatives to fill the role he plays. This need is exacerbated by the master plan of letting the team's best box to box midfielder, Herrera, leave for nothing. Lingard provides space and cover for Pogba to do his offense of thing.
The move for Lingard is similar to starting James. He may not be the finished product but James presents an offense of threat that cannot be ignored. He pulls the defense out to the right and make space for Rashford and Martial.
Clever bit of strategy by Ole and company.
The move for Lingard is similar to starting James. He may not be the finished product but James presents an offense of threat that cannot be ignored. He pulls the defense out to the right and make space for Rashford and Martial.
Clever bit of strategy by Ole and company.
What about Tielemans?
It's time for Angel
Don't think anyone think's of Pogba as a second striker. Just running isn't enough, yes he cannot press with the same intensity those 2 can but he can do a million other things that those 2 cannot.
That second part is nothing more than an assumption to justify your way of thinking, there's no telling what would've happened.
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