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- Appearances
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- Goals
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- Assists
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- Yellow cards
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Mata is miles better technically than Lingard, the only difference is Mata doesn't have the legs anymore.
Nani was a much better player than Lingard is.
Actually we are not sacrificing Pogba because I can guarantee his impact will be much more diminished than what we are seeing right now. Pogba can be a great AM in a side with a well functioning Midfield, unfortunately we don’t have that. He will be left isolated and our overall play will suffer. I think with the given resources, Ole has got Pogba’s role spot on. Now if Fred suddenly shows us that he is actually good at football then Pogba’s role can be revisited.
Angel Gomes > Lingard.
Lingard's assist and goal drought is growing. Juan Mata is no better either. Not sure why he got a new contract when he doesn't suit the way Ole wants to play just like Lukaku.
Lingard's assist and goal drought is growing. Juan Mata is no better either. Not sure why he got a new contract when he doesn't suit the way Ole wants to play just like Lukaku.
Based on what Fred has done at United he would be as bad as Lingard. I'm basing it on his play for Shaktar
Of the options we have for his position, he's the most effective at the pressing game that Ole wants to implement. At this point that looks like the only reason worth persisting with him.
And yet. If you had read beyond that post you would see that I acknowledge we need an upgrade in the position so, with all due respect, shut up.
Had such a great chance to make it 2-0 but then Lingard being Lingard ruined it. This was that type of the game where you had to take your chances because they will never come in plenty. But again, expecting that from Lingard is too much these days.
Yes we are sacrificing Pogba because we're playing him way too deep in our half and too far away from opposition box.
What other top 6 side would he get in to? I can guarantee that if he was playing for one lof our rivals we would be laughing at sheer stupidity of using him.
Defensively worked hard, vividly remember stopping a shot on the edge of the box, just as they were about to pull the trigger. Going forward he was utter trash.
Closing down, pressing and tracking back aint a part of the setup? Gotcha
It is but of what use is that when a player occupying your most advanced striking setup can't score or assist on a regular basis? Would it make any difference if we got any player on a cheaper salary from from Wolves, Newcastle or after even Burnley to do the closing down, pressing and tracking back. They also wouldn't score and assist but at least they would not cost the club 100k plus in salaries. Bottomline is Lingard has and will never be good enough for us. Earlier we ship him out or completely relegate him to squad player status, the better for us.
I think we just needed the extra body.
I'm done discussing this bloke.
If Ole wants to make a rod for his own back, by relying so heavily on a #10 that cannot score or assist to save his life - let him.
Live by the sword.
If Ole wants to make a rod for his own back, by relying so heavily on a #10 that cannot score or assist to save his life - let him.
Live by the sword.
Had we bought one attacking player in the Summer (one in addition to James), then I'm sure Lingard would not be starting games at the moment. He works fairly hard, but he needs to be scoring or assisting to play in the position that he is given. Hopefully he starts finding the net in the next game or two, because it would probably be worth looking to either change the player or the system. 4 league goals last year is just not enough for a player who plays in this position. He also has the disadvantage in that he's older than both Rashford and Martial, so he can't blame it on youth or inexperience either.
Regardless of all the polarised views of Pogba on here, he did appear to be genuinely distraught over the miss. I am more concerned about how obsolete Lingard is.
Said it in another thread but against the big sides/Wolves/Leicester you're going to need to have players in the midfield that offer more on the ball than he does. He's excellent at creating space and creating things with his movement but on the ball he's not good enough to get by unless it's teams lower down in the league unfortunately. Good squad player to have but shouldn't be starting.
I've been a pretty staunch defender of Lingard, but this is the very definition of a game where his best qualities are nullified, and his biggest weaknesses are exposed. He just shouldn't be a regular; he should play in games where we specifically need high energy or to press a particular opposition player, not when the opposition is going to sit back and let us attack for most of the game.
Needs to roll his socks back up and sit down on the bench. So unproductive and non threatening in attack. Imagine Madrid, Barca and City playing him in that position with such importance.
Fair enough that we should be upgrading on his position, but I thought our attack actually suffered when he was replaced by Mata.
His competition really should be Gomes.
His competition really should be Gomes.
He is the weakest link in our first eleven. Such a shame, everybody has seen it for a long time that he is not man Utd material and still he plays.
Our attack is already anemic, in games like this he is a passenger on the ball.
The problem hes got now is that hes not chipping in with goals / assists. He plays in an important role that requires him to do so. He gives his best off the ball, sure. He gets into good positions. But the quality needed for a top team vs a midtable team isnt there.
We need somebody to come in to do that stuff as a basic, but then be better on the ball too. Hopefully over the season its gonna be gomes otherwise we are going to see more of him this season than not as a starter.
We need somebody to come in to do that stuff as a basic, but then be better on the ball too. Hopefully over the season its gonna be gomes otherwise we are going to see more of him this season than not as a starter.
I used to be in the pro-Lingard side. Having found out about his lack of goals or assists this calendar year in the PL and his performance last night I am now reconsidering. Big reason why I liked him is because of his winning goal in the FA Cup 2016 and goal in EFL Final 2017 and his performance in the World Cup (the only two goals England scored in open play in that tournament were scored/assisted by Lingard).
He has no right to be wearing socks at half length. Only ballers are allowed. He is no baller.
I'd take Andreas at number 10 and bench him. Or play Gomes and Dalot as RW.
I remember watching him in Championship, scoring 4 goals in 1 match then disappear for the whole season.
I remember watching him in Championship, scoring 4 goals in 1 match then disappear for the whole season.
How someone can have literally 0 assists or goals this year and still start games is beyond me
i just realised yesterday i dont remember him passing more than 15 meters by ground. Have you ever remember him passing by air over defence to space? his passing is not only simple but also very limited in variation for any midfielder
This.
Caf has gone a bit wild on the Lingard situation IMO. Lingard serves a purpose in this team. He wins the ball back, and passes to Rashford.
Ole is using him as the link player, he makes up for lack of technique with energy. You can all say we want Gomes to start, but will he press as much as Lingard? Lingard gets the ball plays the ball, hardly does he ever hang on to it for longer than he should.
Every successful teams needs a player that plays for the team. We have so many individuals like Pogba, Rashford, Martial and a player like Lingard is used to gel them.
Ole is using him as the link player, he makes up for lack of technique with energy. You can all say we want Gomes to start, but will he press as much as Lingard? Lingard gets the ball plays the ball, hardly does he ever hang on to it for longer than he should.
Every successful teams needs a player that plays for the team. We have so many individuals like Pogba, Rashford, Martial and a player like Lingard is used to gel them.
Just not a No 10 .Stop it now.
What really grinds my gears in relation to him is his social media presence. You would swear he is banging in thirty goals a season like Salah the way he behaves with his clothing line and instagram profile and adverts.
I am beginning to think he is the epitome of what has gone wrong since Ferguson left.
I am beginning to think he is the epitome of what has gone wrong since Ferguson left.
Ole has to change something here, he either needs to put James on the left, Greenwood on the right and play Rashford as a #10 or play Gomes as a replacement. It feels like the attack is being hamstrung having to carry this player who is clearly not the requisite quality. Lingard has had more than enough chances to get better and at 26, he is what he is.
I agree. He is used to get in between the defence and MF. This then carves out chances perhaps for Martial and Rashford and so on. And Lingarrd works hard as well to counter opposition attacks.
In general though his footballing ability is questionable.
Let me put it like this, Maddison in the same role would be better attacking wise. Maybe not as good at defending.
That stat of Lingard not having a goal or assist in eight or nine months is terrible though.
I agree with you in that however; the one thing I will mention is look at the teams that play with a No. 10. They have 2 out and out holding players, we have Paul Pogba who does a No.10 role playing deep. This is the reason Lingard gets in this team, I agree he can offer more in assists / goals but the criticism is beyond me. Fans on here who just look at numbers rather than the in game contribution.
If we didnt have Paul Pogba, I am sure we would go a different style, James Madison in the hole with a defensive minded CM alongside McT.
Madison plays with 2 holding mid behind him
Mount plays with 2 holding behind him
Too late now. All we can do is try alternatives within the squad. Gomes is good, deserves a chance. I would hate to see him leave Utd before Lingard. His contract is running out I think.
I don't think he was that bad yesterday - like not outright terrible in giving the ball away/doing dumb shit etc.... he was just a bit annoymous, which is a bit of a problem when you're then number 10 and (in theory) the creative hub of the team.
Problem is we don't have much options for that spot - I imagine he'll lose his place to Mata for the weekend, with Gomes coming on at about the 60/70 minute mark.
Problem is we don't have much options for that spot - I imagine he'll lose his place to Mata for the weekend, with Gomes coming on at about the 60/70 minute mark.
You describe him like he's the new Herrera. Everyone in this squad can press in the opponent half since Ole has fixed the fitness problem.
He's not a CM, #10 should be given to the most creative player on the pitch not the hard working one.
Would you put Gatuso as #10 intead of Kaka?
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