I think the Caf has found Lukaku's replacement for most villified player for this season. Thought it would be Mata but he hasn't played. Lingard wasn't as bad as some are making out and was involved in the buildup to the goal against Wolves. People are talking as if he's Gabriel Obertan or Bebe.
I think the Caf has found Lukaku's replacement for most villified player for this season. Thought it would be Mata but he hasn't played. Lingard wasn't as bad as some are making out and was involved in the buildup to the goal against Wolves. People are talking as if he's Gabriel Obertan or Bebe.
I think the Caf has found Lukaku's replacement for most villified player for this season. Thought it would be Mata but he hasn't played. Lingard wasn't as bad as some are making out and was involved in the buildup to the goal against Wolves. People are talking as if he's Gabriel Obertan or Bebe.
If he'd started 25, 30 games I would get the level of criticism, but I think he barely starteed half the games. I agree he needs to be better technically but as usual people are going a bit overboard.He's not scored a goal in the league since the 22nd December, not got an assist since Boxing Day.
14 matches in total, for an attacking player for Man Utd.
He deserves every bit of criticism he's getting.
Teams he wouldn't get into
City
Liverpool
Tottenham
Arsenal
Chelsea
Wolves
Leicester
Everton
Maybe even West Ham with Lanzini. Could do a job at Watford though. Due to play 40+ games for us this season
If he'd started 25, 30 games I would get the level of criticism, but I think he barely starteed half the games. I agree he needs to be better technically but as usual people are going a bit overboard.
If he'd started 25, 30 games I would get the level of criticism, but I think he barely starteed half the games. I agree he needs to be better technically but as usual people are going a bit overboard.
Tbf, you have to have an 8k tv with super ultra HD. When you get that, you’ll see what a gem Lingard is.
What quality TV do I need to see Lingard score a goal or get an assist?
If he'd started 25, 30 games I would get the level of criticism, but I think he barely starteed half the games. I agree he needs to be better technically but as usual people are going a bit overboard.
Stats aren't everything. Who knows how many potential assists were wasted by our forward line last year. He's a decent player and honestly I think he's the best option we have atm for that position.I see you’re choosing to ignore the copious amount of damning stats in here.
Stats aren't everything. Who knows how many potential assists were wasted by our forward line last year. He's a decent player and honestly I think he's the best option we have atm for that position.
Stats aren't everything. Who knows how many potential assists were wasted by our forward line last year. He's a decent player and honestly I think he's the best option we have atm for that position.
I agree that we should have better for that position but we don't imo. Maybe Gomes, but he's inexperienced. I always feel like we look a better team when he's on the pitch and involved, Lingard that is. But I give up, its obvious I'm the only one who thinks so.His output is horrific for an attacking player. I understand stats aren’t everything and he has his uses at times but overall, he’s nowhere near good enough.
Despite Lukakus faults he at least contributed to the attack with goals and the occassional assist. Lingard has done nothing all year. He needs a serious injection of end product.
Honestly staggered that people actually defend him, he's a regular attacking player for us and has no end product.
- James Maddison
- João Moutinho
- Ryan Fraser
- Christian Eriksen
- Eden Hazard
- Kevin De Bruyne
- Pascal Groß
- Luka Milivojevic
- Matt Ritchie
- Gylfi Sigurdsson
- Trent Alexander-Arnold
- Lucas Digne
- Bernardo Silva
- David Silva
- Paul Pogba
- James Ward-Prowse
- Raheem Sterling
- Willian
- Mohamed Salah
- Felipe Anderson
- Ilkay Gündogan
- Andrew Robertson
- Salomón Rondón
- Wilfried Zaha
- Troy Deeney
- Alex Iwobi
- Robert Snodgrass
- Sadio Mané
- Ashley Westwood
- Ben Chilwell
- Nathan Redmond
- Kieran Trippier
- James Milner
- Andros Townsend
- Dwight McNeil
- Ricardo Pereira
- Joshua King
- Pedro
- Bernard
- Ryan Babel
- N'Golo Kanté
- Ashley Young
- Isaac Hayden
- Raúl Jiménez
- Luke Shaw
- Jamie Vardy
- Danny Rose
- Mesut Özil
- Johann Gudmundsson
- Ayoze Pérez
- Granit Xhaka
- Patrick van Aanholt
- Tom Cairney
- Kyle Walker
- Marcus Rashford
- Abdoulaye Doucouré
- Joe Ralls
- Roberto Firmino
- Youri Tielemans
- Jorginho
- Alex Pritchard
- Son Heung-Min
- David Junior Hoilett
- Juan Mata
- Sead Kolasinac
- Harvey Barnes
- Solly March
- Diogo Jota
- David Brooks
- Chris Wood
- Dele Alli
- Davy Pröpper
- Aleksandar Mitrovic
- Aaron Mooy
- Jonny
- Joe Bryan
- Anthony Knockaert
- Erik Lamela
- Moussa Sissoko
- Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang
- Gerard Deulofeu
- Marko Arnautovic
- Pierre-Emile Højbjerg
- Harry Kane
- Gonzalo Higuaín
- Roberto Pereyra
- Ross Barkley
- Sergio Agüero
- Alexandre Lacazette
- Henrikh Mkhitaryan
- Will Hughes
- Séamus Coleman
- Anthony Martial
- Marcos Alonso
- Dale Stephens
- Miguel Almirón
- Danny Ings
- Jean Michael Seri
- Mark Noble
- César Azpilicueta
- Víctor Camarasa
- Ashley Barnes
- Lucas Moura
- Matt Doherty
- Juninho Bacuna
- Fernando Llorente
- Riyad Mahrez
- Callum Wilson
- James McArthur
- Leroy Sané
- Michail Antonio
- José Holebas
- DeAndre Yedlin
- Georginio Wijnaldum
- Calum Chambers
- Stuart Armstrong
- Diogo Dalot
- Ruben Loftus-Cheek
- Ryan Sessegnon
- Jeffrey Schlupp
- Martín Montoya
- Richarlison
- Fabinho
- Marc Albrighton
- Jordan Henderson
- Rúben Neves
- Idrissa Gueye
- Oleksandr Zinchenko
- David Luiz
- Jack Cork
- Jan Bednarek
- Demarai Gray
- Mateo Kovacic
- Jordan Ayew
- Nathaniel Mendez-Laing
- Andreas Pereira
- Manuel Lanzini
- Fabian Schär
- Aron Gunnarsson
- Leander Dendoncker
- Wilfred Ndidi
- Christian Atsu
- Jonjo Shelvey
- Dominic Solanke
- Callum Hudson-Odoi
- Floyd Ayité
- Lewis Dunk
- Dominic Calvert-Lewin
- Adam Smith
- Nacho Monreal
- Karlan Grant
- Nathan Aké
- Jeff Hendrick
- Willy Boly
- Harry Maguire
- Matteo Guendouzi
- Aaron Ramsey
- Arthur Masuaku
- Max Meyer
- Florent Hadergjonaj
- Todd Cantwell
- Jack Grealish
Have people looked through that list? Defenders and defensive mids have more output than him. Goodness me.Just a few examples:
Lingard (Manchester United)
840 Premier League minutes in 2019.
7 Key Passes
0 Goals
0 Assists
Junior Stanislas (Bournemouth)
392 Premier League minutes in 2019.
7 Key Passes
0 Goals
1 Assist
Jonjo Shelvey (Newcastle)
379 Premier League minutes in 2019.
9 Key Passes
2 Goals
0 Assists
Dominic Solanke (Bournemouth)
363 Premier League minutes in 2019.
9 Key Passes
0 Goals
1 Assist
Callum Hudson-Odoi (Chelsea)
351 Premier League minutes in 2019.
9 Key Passes
0 Goals
1 Assist
Floyd Ayité (Fulham)
310 Premier League minutes in 2019.
9 Key Passes
1 Goal
0 Assists
Todd Cantwell (Norwich)
180 Premier League minutes in 2019.
8 Key Passes
0 Goals
2 Assists
Emiliano Buendía (Norwich)
180 Premier League minutes in 2019.
7 Key Passes
0 Goals
1 Assist
Jack Grealish (Aston Villa)
180 Premier League minutes in 2019.
8 Key Passes
0 Goals
1 Assist
Nathaniel Mendez-Laing (Cardiff City)
169 Premier League minutes in 2019.
7 Key Passes
2 Goals
1 Assist
When you have a look at his dribbling stats as well it turns out he's the worst dribbler out of our attackers too, he scores lowest out of our attackers for successful dribbles % per 90 and scores second lowest for attempted dribbles per 90 just ahead of Mata. Crazy how he's occupying the position that is in the middle of every triangle formation offensively, standards have dropped massively. Gomes wins hands down between the two when a ball's at their feet, would've thought it was more obvious to play Gomes there if you plan on controlling games with possession.Lingard fans should probably look away...
I went back and checked all players stats in the Premier League from the 1st January to today and found the following (I've only counted players with 750mins or more)
Most Assists (Top 14)
10 - Trent Alexander-Arnold
8 - Andrew Robertson
7 - João Moutinho
6 - Eden Hazard
6 - Ryan Fraser
6 - David Silva
5 - Kevin De Bruyne
5 - James Maddison
5 - Christian Eriksen
5 - Matt Ritchie
5 - Paul Pogba
5 - Salomón Rondón
5 - Dwight McNeil
5 - Ricardo Pereira
0 - Jesse Lingard (Joint 137th)
Most Key Passes (Top 10)
60 - James Maddison
53 - João Moutinho
49 - Ryan Fraser
47 - Christian Eriksen
45 - Eden Hazard
44 - Kevin De Bruyne
41 - Pascal Groß
40 - Luka Milivojevic
38 - Matt Ritchie
37 - Gylfi Sigurdsson
7 - Jesse Lingard (Joint 137th)
Minute Per Key Pass (Total Mins / Key Passes)
21.5mins - Kevin De Bruyne
25.6 - James Maddison
26.2 - Willian
29.0 - Pascal Groß
31.6 - João Moutinho
31.7 - Eden Hazard
32.0 - James Milner
34.5 - Mesut Özil
35.8 - Ryan Fraser
36.6 - Trent Alexander-Arnold
120.0 - Jesse Lingard (Ranked 115th)
It's not even just the stats. His general play is absolutely rubbish, too.What must the other players be thinking when he gets minutes ahead of them with those stats.
Stats aren't everything. Who knows how many potential assists were wasted by our forward line last year. He's a decent player and honestly I think he's the best option we have atm for that position.
Would have probably counted as a key pass if it was a potential assist, not that I'm an expert on these things.
@RedSky great work mate. If you don't mind, could you post some of the more defensive stats, ball recoveries, forcing errors (if there's such a category) and ermm other off the ball metrics. Esp in relative to his attacking contemporaries. Does he stand out in these categories? Do know he's got to be pretty high on the distance covered metric.
Everyone knows his end product is a wee bit crap, but his only supposed saving grace is his off the ball work and his alleged link up play. Is his off the ball work truly that remarkable or noteworthy, to compensate for his distinct lack or absence of ability on the ball?
I'm not too convinced myself.
Just a few examples:
Lingard (Manchester United)
840 Premier League minutes in 2019.
7 Key Passes
0 Goals
0 Assists
Junior Stanislas (Bournemouth)
392 Premier League minutes in 2019.
7 Key Passes
0 Goals
1 Assist
Jonjo Shelvey (Newcastle)
379 Premier League minutes in 2019.
9 Key Passes
2 Goals
0 Assists
Dominic Solanke (Bournemouth)
363 Premier League minutes in 2019.
9 Key Passes
0 Goals
1 Assist
Callum Hudson-Odoi (Chelsea)
351 Premier League minutes in 2019.
9 Key Passes
0 Goals
1 Assist
Floyd Ayité (Fulham)
310 Premier League minutes in 2019.
9 Key Passes
1 Goal
0 Assists
Todd Cantwell (Norwich)
180 Premier League minutes in 2019.
8 Key Passes
0 Goals
2 Assists
Emiliano Buendía (Norwich)
180 Premier League minutes in 2019.
7 Key Passes
0 Goals
1 Assist
Jack Grealish (Aston Villa)
180 Premier League minutes in 2019.
8 Key Passes
0 Goals
1 Assist
Nathaniel Mendez-Laing (Cardiff City)
169 Premier League minutes in 2019.
7 Key Passes
2 Goals
1 Assist
These stats don't matter. You fail to see what he brings to the team.Just a few examples:
Lingard (Manchester United)
840 Premier League minutes in 2019.
7 Key Passes
0 Goals
0 Assists
Junior Stanislas (Bournemouth)
392 Premier League minutes in 2019.
7 Key Passes
0 Goals
1 Assist
Jonjo Shelvey (Newcastle)
379 Premier League minutes in 2019.
9 Key Passes
2 Goals
0 Assists
Dominic Solanke (Bournemouth)
363 Premier League minutes in 2019.
9 Key Passes
0 Goals
1 Assist
Callum Hudson-Odoi (Chelsea)
351 Premier League minutes in 2019.
9 Key Passes
0 Goals
1 Assist
Floyd Ayité (Fulham)
310 Premier League minutes in 2019.
9 Key Passes
1 Goal
0 Assists
Todd Cantwell (Norwich)
180 Premier League minutes in 2019.
8 Key Passes
0 Goals
2 Assists
Emiliano Buendía (Norwich)
180 Premier League minutes in 2019.
7 Key Passes
0 Goals
1 Assist
Jack Grealish (Aston Villa)
180 Premier League minutes in 2019.
8 Key Passes
0 Goals
1 Assist
Nathaniel Mendez-Laing (Cardiff City)
169 Premier League minutes in 2019.
7 Key Passes
2 Goals
1 Assist
Mate it doesn't matter how many chances were wasted by our forward line. He has made 7 key passes in the last 8 months of football. That has nothing to do with wasted chances.Stats aren't everything. Who knows how many potential assists were wasted by our forward line last year. He's a decent player and honestly I think he's the best option we have atm for that position.
Anyone seen this commercial?
Less Is more?
You're right, they're not everything but in certain cases, they tell you everything you need to know.Stats aren't everything. Who knows how many potential assists were wasted by our forward line last year. He's a decent player and honestly I think he's the best option we have atm for that position.
No "maybe" there, Lanzini is a much better player than LingardTeams he wouldn't get into
City
Liverpool
Tottenham
Arsenal
Chelsea
Wolves
Leicester
Everton
Maybe even West Ham with Lanzini. Could do a job at Watford though. Due to play 40+ games for us this season
At the very least, he makes a good connection with the ball.Greenwood buries that chance, unquestionably.
Would have probably counted as a key pass if it was a potential assist, not that I'm an expert on these things.
@RedSky great work mate. If you don't mind, could you post some of the more defensive stats, ball recoveries, forcing errors (if there's such a category) and ermm other off the ball metrics. Esp in relative to his attacking contemporaries. Does he stand out in these categories? Do know he's got to be pretty high on the distance covered metric.
Everyone knows his end product is a wee bit crap, but his only supposed saving grace is his off the ball work and his alleged link up play. Is his off the ball work truly that remarkable or noteworthy, to compensate for his distinct lack or absence of ability on the ball?
I'm not too convinced myself.
That's from the last calendar year, you could say that Alexis Sanchez is more effective defensively than Lingard statistically, not sure if that means much though. Also ignore Dalot, he's just included because he's played on the wing a few times.
Yep, their stats can differ slightly when compared against whoscored. I've tested the two against each other by watching video snippets for each individual action in wyscout and wyscout edged it slightly for accuracy, in the examples I looked at anyway.Which site is that?
Wyscout?
I am really do not understand why we keep this player. Played good in one game and then disappeared for 10-20 games. Just because he was grown up with from our youth team ?
Yep, their stats can differ slightly when compared against whoscored. I've tested the two against each other by watching video snippets for each individual action in wyscout and wyscout edged it slightly for accuracy, in the few examples I looked at anyway.
7 key passes this year...feck me!7 - Jesse Lingard (Joint 137th)
My blood started boiling reading your post before I realised it must be a wum.These stats don't matter. You fail to see what he brings to the team.
Clear agenda here. The lengths people will go to undermine him just because he is a local lad. Don't understand why people can't be patient with relatively young players who are still learning and probably are late bloomers. Our rivals are crying out for the player of his ability because despite no goals and assists he is so crucial. Am i doing it right?
"From a personal point of view and as a manager, there would have been warnings already. I would have told him: "You don't have much time to change things before someone takes your place." As a manager, you must be ruthless."
Even Brexit Sam knows.