[Robbie Boy]

Nothing weird about it. I just find it funny that you of all posters is complaining about local lad posts, when you have a habit of mentioning it yourself. Peak irony. I mean 3 days between your posts - probably because the first one didn't bang - is tiresome:





(Nothing wrong with criticism btw and this isn't a "I told you so" type of post, which is the definition of tedious.)

My work here is done. Have a blessed day g.

I don't think you get it laddo. At the time of those posts he had appeared in 13 consecutive matches with a return of one goal and he was in horrendous form. The reason people used to bring the whole 'local lad' thing into any debate was because his 'defenders' constantly used it as a positive.

So yeah my point stands: The 'told you so' brigade are the only ones bringing it up now and thus still making this thread polemic. It's like some still want him to be criticised so they can argue and defend him. I don't think you quite 'got' my post so eh yeah. I absolutely admit I was extremely critical of him but he's hugely improved and I'm loving it. I hope you are too and the lack of controversy about him isn't upsetting you too much.

And did you call yourself 'the king'? I have no idea who the feck you are

 

[Brightonian]

I wonder what odds you'd get now on him finishing the season as our top scorer.

 

[Robbie Boy]

I wonder what odds you'd get now on him finishing the season as our top scorer.

Can't see him doing it as surely the worldies can't go on forever. He'll surely be in the top 3, though and maybe even second. The thing that stands for him is that he seems to have phenomenal fitness levels and it looks like he can start game after game.

 

[Number1]

I wonder what odds you'd get now on him finishing the season as our top scorer.

Won’t reflect good on us (or Lukaku) if he does end up our top scorer.

Be awesome if he could end up as our Dele Alli or our Lampard though, United have not had an attacking midfielder who guarantees banging in 15+ goals a season in years.

 

[redom]

So is the consensus that he has made a "step up" and this is the level we should expect from him from now on or is he just in a rich vein of form and will drop back to being a useful squad player at some point?

He's loving his football right now and full credit to him for this run he's on but I'm not expecting this to be the norm from him, hopefully I'm wrong because it's great to see someone break out like this and then maintain it.

 

[Baxter]

Don't know what's more impressive - his goals or celebrations?

Bust out in the Schmoney dance yesterday.

What a man.

Very pleased for him. Turning into a crucial player for us.

 

[villain]

So is the consensus that he has made a "step up" and this is the level we should expect from him from now on or is he just in a rich vein of form and will drop back to being a useful squad player at some point?

He's loving his football right now and full credit to him for this run he's on but I'm not expecting this to be the norm from him, hopefully I'm wrong because it's great to see someone break out like this and then maintain it.

If he's able to consistently score in 80% of matches over the course of a season, then he would rightly be in Balon D'or conversation because that's a ridiculous return of goals.

I'm one of his biggest fans, but he's very unlikely to score at this level forever.

I do think he has the ability to score 20+ goals in all competitions and I think that's' where he should be aiming at.
If all 3 of Rashford, Martial and Lingard score 60+ goals between them, plus Lukaku scoring 30+, our attack will be one of the best around.

 

[Samid]

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/lin...l-option-to-extend-for-a-further-year.427924/

This thread is a hilarious read in hindsight

 

[NotoriousISSY]

Two years ago I never thought he would make it. LVG tried him in wing back roles, and consistently on the wing and I just never saw it.

I don’t think it’s a management thing, where Mourinho deserves to be lauded for changing Lingard. I think it’s just clear evolution, where he really understands the game, understands the players around him and knows what he wants to do with the ball before receiving it.

Fair play to him, not many expected it but long may this continue because right now he is 100% the most important player in the team.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Two years ago I never thought he would make it. LVG tried him in wing back roles, and consistently on the wing and I just never saw it.

I don’t think it’s a management thing, where Mourinho deserves to be lauded for changing Lingard. I think it’s just clear evolution, where he really understands the game, understands the players around him and knows what he wants to do with the ball before receiving it.

Fair play to him, not many expected it but long may this continue because right now he is 100% the most important player in the team.

Bar that fantastic moment in the FA Cup Final, I thought he was pretty horrible under LvG.

 

[redom]

If he's able to consistently score in 80% of matches over the course of a season, then he would rightly be in Balon D'or conversation because that's a ridiculous return of goals.

I'm one of his biggest fans, but he's very unlikely to score at this level forever.

I do think he has the ability to score 20+ goals in all competitions and I think that's' where he should be aiming at.
If all 3 of Rashford, Martial and Lingard score 60+ goals between them, plus Lukaku scoring 30+, our attack will be one of the best around.

Yeah, I wasn't so much meaning he would continue to score at a similar rate, as that's probably not realistic, but that he could expect to reach this level of performance more often than not now and cement himself as a real first team player rather than a decent player who might get games here and there but isn't really someone you would rely on to be a major cog in the team. Obviously the goals have been a big part of his game lately but I think his general play has been better too, which has no doubt been helped by the confidence he's got from scoring so frequently, I just hope that when the goals do dry up a bit he can maintain, or even improve, the other aspects of his game so he's still being equally beneficial to the team without having to maintain a strikers scoring rate.

 

[golden_blunder]

I don't think you get it laddo. At the time of those posts he had appeared in 13 consecutive matches with a return of one goal and he was in horrendous form. The reason people used to bring the whole 'local lad' thing into any debate was because his 'defenders' constantly used it as a positive.

So yeah my point stands: The 'told you so' brigade are the only ones bringing it up now and thus still making this thread polemic. It's like some still want him to be criticised so they can argue and defend him. I don't think you quite 'got' my post so eh yeah. I absolutely admit I was extremely critical of him but he's hugely improved and I'm loving it. I hope you are too and the lack of controversy about him isn't upsetting you too much.

And did you call yourself 'the king'? I have no idea who the feck you are

Perhaps that may be the case for yourself but from what I saw and heard that wasn’t the case for the majority that said it. “He’s only in the team because he’s local” is very clear and not in response to some saying he’s local lad as a positive. (Btw what’s wrong with having a local lad in the team, surely that IS a positive?)

I bet the very same people were the ones saying “fletchers only in the team because he’s fergies son”.

Bullshit then and bullshit now. I don’t see why you feel the need to defend that section of idiots

 

[Sandikan]

It's almost like playing him in his best position is helping him!

 

[Robbie Boy]

Perhaps that may be the case for yourself but from what I saw and heard that wasn’t the case for the majority that said it. “He’s only in the team because he’s local” is very clear and not in response to some saying he’s local lad as a positive. (Btw what’s wrong with having a local lad in the team, surely that IS a positive?)

I bet the very same people were the ones saying “fletchers only in the team because he’s fergies son”.

Bullshit then and bullshit now. I don’t see why you feel the need to defend that section of idiots

I'm not really defending anyone to be completely honest. The ones that were overly harsh on him then are nowhere to be seen now, so for me, that says it all.

I don't see why some are trying to be all high and mighty with posts like "he local ladded it in" - for me, those posts are provocative and equally as counterproductive as posts needlessly criticising him. This thread is by-and-large extremely positive and I don't know why some continue to try make it polemic. The posters that went OTT with him are yet to post anything positive so let them be, they obviously aren't willing to change their opinions.

I love a local lad in the team as much as the next person and I hold my hand up and admit I was very, very critical of Lingard in the past. But I'm loving this form and he hasn't just slightly won me over, I fecking love him now and want him on the ball as much as possible. It's a complete 360 for me in terms of what I thought he was capable of but I've never had any personal issues against the lad. His improvement level this season is huge.

 

[breakout67]

Surely Lingard would not get regular games under LVG and Mourinho if all he offered was being an academy product.

The people that made fun of Lingard before this season seem to only look at highlight reels; or have adhd so only recognize goals and assists. Lingard has always been an intelligent player; he was our Welbeck replacement; does everything right until in front of goal.

Now that he seems to have added goals to his game he is a good player.

 

[Smores]

Two years ago I never thought he would make it. LVG tried him in wing back roles, and consistently on the wing and I just never saw it.

I don’t think it’s a management thing, where Mourinho deserves to be lauded for changing Lingard. I think it’s just clear evolution, where he really understands the game, understands the players around him and knows what he wants to do with the ball before receiving it.

Fair play to him, not many expected it but long may this continue because right now he is 100% the most important player in the team.

I think Jose and our coaches get enough criticism for our attackers play that they deserve some recognition or acknowledgement of being wronged when attackers step up.

Saying that i agree that a lot of this is Lingard now in the right position with a consistent run of games.

 

[Janson]

Probably our best attacker after Lukaku.

 

[Lj82]

I love these posters that come in and state as cooly as you like ‘well players just sometimes get better etc, doesn’t mean we were wrong about lambasting them.’

If you are so aware of how players mature and suddenly turn better all of a sudden then why call them ‘championship level, not good enough, never will be, not a top 4 number 10, shite” with so much conviction 10 weeks ago?

You can’t have it both ways!

Acknowledge that you were wrong with some grace, continuing to act superior in your unequivocal footballing knowledge is an absolute spoof.

Exactly! Very well said.

 

[podurban2]

More surprised by the low Pogba to Lukaku stat. Thought that would be much, much higher seeing as they link up constantly.

Well the Pogba injury and Lukaku suspensions haven’t helped.

 

[SSSSnake]

Bahahah @SSSSnake

Must have taken you a while to dig these up.
He's in a good run of form and deserves his accolades for now.

Just remember, form is temporary. Class is permanent.

And you remember the Emirates was only built as a platform for Jesse to do his dancing.

 

[Axkiko]

He has improved everything, his first touch, dribbling and understanding of the game. He looks like our most mature player since December. What happened to him?

 

[Bobski]

He has improved everything, his first touch, dribbling and understanding of the game. He looks like our most mature player since December. What happened to him?

A run in his best position and the confidence that comes with it. 10 is such a notable position in the world game, every semi-talented attacker wants that role but it is very difficult to play well in. Utd have tried the higher profile names like Kagawa, Rooney, Mata, Mikitaryan in recent years, none have been able to offer the change in tempo plus consistency on the ball that Lingard is giving.

He is not going to pull a wonder pass out of nowhere that a more talented player might do but his movement, intelligence, unselfishness are all such important factors for the team. Shows all those who scream for big names and mass spending that it does not always have to be the way forward.

 

[Robbie Boy]

He has improved everything, his first touch, dribbling and understanding of the game. He looks like our most mature player since December. What happened to him?

Yup he's massively improved in every aspect. He's definitely a far better player centrally than he is on the wing as he just isn't a winger whatsoever. I suppose the coaching staff as well as Jesse himself deserve huge credit for his massive improvement.

Some ignorant posters will still nonchalantly claim they were always right and he was always impressive and anyone who ever dared to criticise him is an idiot. But then again revisionism and knowitallism is fabulous as is hindsight. Anyhow this thread is fabulous now as the praise is lovely for a local lad who's really delivered for us lately. There are some that continue to make it polemic but hey ho, some just love a row and some controversy.

 

[Harry190]

I think we can still get much more out of him. It's not just the form, which is obviously on point right now, it's clear he has stepped up a level in terms of control.

It's a matter of playing him alongside players that match him now.

 

[Arka_BleedingRed]

He has improved everything, his first touch, dribbling and understanding of the game. He looks like our most mature player since December. What happened to him?

Maybe sleeping(allegedly) with that woman, gave him superpowers. The $eductionMeister!

 

[VeevaVee]

Enjoying watching him now. It's not been that many games since he turned into Messe though. A lot to do to show that's his level still. Fingers crossed

 

[ash_86]

Here's wishing him to become the next 100M player.

 

[Loublaze]

Won’t reflect good on us (or Lukaku) if he does end up our top scorer.

Be awesome if he could end up as our Dele Alli or our Lampard though, United have not had an attacking midfielder who guarantees banging in 15+ goals a season in years.

I don't agree with this. Sterling is City's stop scorer currently. Lingard topping our goal scoring charts would be unprecedented but very welcome.

 

[Acole9]

He doesn't do tap ins does he. Another lively performance, a crucial player for us now.

 

[eat_grass]

I really liked the call from the announcer on his strike.

"Lukaku ... Lingard ... good hit -- OH WHAT A GOAL! HE'S DONE IT AGAIN!!"

Keep doing it again, Messe!

 

[J_Red 11]

Bar that fantastic moment in the FA Cup Final, I thought he was pretty horrible under LvG.

Pretty sure there are more than just one FA Cup Final because I still remember his good performance & great goal against Chelsea. The best things about Lingard since LVG is that his movements off the ball & link up play, now that he adds more goals in his games people just started to notice him.

I don't think being local lad was the reason why people defended him. I actually never expect Lingard would be the player that I will put in our main XI, but I always thought (pretty sure some people who defended him as well) that he was good enough to be our squad player due to his versatility, his ability which are flexible and can be effective against top teams & the way how he plays is similar to Thomas Muller and also his attitude. I always believe if only he can score more goals he can be United quality player one day which I didn't believe he can add more goals in his game.

However the haters just couldn't see what Lingard offered at that time and wanted him to be sold.

 

[NotQuiteManc]

Who needs Griezmann when we have Messe?

 

[automaticflare]

Some more....

It's all well and good quoting all of these to prove some sort of point but he has a good run of about 10 games.
Let's see if he can keep it up for a sustained period

 

[RooneyLegend]

Half the time I still don't see what he's up to. A poor mans pedro if anything.

 

[Jaybomb]

Messi when he sees Jesse

 

[RonW]

I have been the first to criticize Lingard, sometimes very harshly but deservingly so because of the amount of open chances he misses and frustrates me a lot with losing the ball. I did not think he had it in him to play for us, but boy have I been so wrong. Jesse has completely turned it around, he has been very excellent and our best player since November, he dribbles with the ball so well when he runs forward(the goal against Watford), run into spaces and put the defenders out of position and is also very solid defensively. I do not think he has the attributes of a Martial and Rashford in terms of technical skill but if he keeps on doing what he is doing now, which is scoring brilliant goals, then who cares? I just really hope he doesn't throw this all away and loses his confidence again, he is very lucky to play for a club like Manchester United and the trust the manager has in him. This is his chance, if he scores 20+ goals this season then he'll be England's second best player going into the World Cup after Kane and I just really hope the media doesn't start bigging and hyping him up because then all of a sudden, the player goes in a bad form and he's lambasted all over. I hope Jesse keeps his head down, and works hard and makes the No. 10 his position at United for the next few years.

 

[Womp]

Messi when he sees Jesse

 

[Shamshi]

It's almost like playing him in his best position is helping him!

This, I was so critical of him when he was played out of position.

I might buy next seasons jersey with his name the way things are going

 

[Hawks2008]

Why does Lingard look like Roger from Doug tho??

 

[NinjaZombie]

Why does Lingard look like Roger from Doug tho??

He looks more like Kumar from Harold and Kumar.