If he can keep this form up then he should be starting for England ahead of bigger names... Alli etc?
Credit to him for the vast improvement.
Credit to him for the vast improvement.
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Southgate won’t do that. Joe hart will still be in goal for example.
What is it with national teams coaches, especially England it seems, where the big names have to play at all cost, and often keeping on playing players well past their best. It is completely baffling. If anything, the national team has the possibility of playing the in-form players. If Joe Hart plays then it's a travesty. If the team was clicking and the players were playing great together, then I can understand why you don't want to change a winning formula, but England are hardly pulling up trees. It's the same with Norway, only that we more or less can choose between shit players, a little less shit players and wtf.
English football in general seems to have a big problem with "big name" players. You see it when a mid table or lower league side goes and buys some crap player simply because he has a big club on his CV rather than if he fits in and would suit and help the side. Couple of examples from this season being Renato Sanches and Grzegorz Krychowiak. Both from big club, both the exact opposite of what their current teams needed. It happens every year.
True!
Unfortunately, lately it seems that this trend has settled upon United as well, where big marquee signings seem to be more important than who actually fits the team. Moreover, we have far too many fans that are too concerned with building a team filled with big names, instead of looking at who would fit. Griezmann for instance, where does he fit in our team, Dybala? Yet, people are adamant that we need big name players. Few had heard about Perisic, but maybe Mourinho was actually spot on, but Woodward was more concerned with getting a big "brand" for his money making machine.
There's a middle ground between shit and the second coming of jesus.
I argued he should be playing instead of Mkhi ,and i was easily right, but i'll be surprised if he manages to play consistently well enough to be more than a squad player (which by any means isn't bad)
I argued he should be playing instead of Mkhi ,and i was easily right, but i'll be surprised if he manages to play consistently well enough to be more than a squad player (which by any means isn't bad)
Let's go for 2018 Ballon D'or Jessi Lingard
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Lukaku would have to get properly benched or injured
Ah there's 0 chance of that happening, we'd have to lose Lukaku for the rest of the season for that to happen. Lukaku's just got a knack for racking up goals.
The goals won't continue like this. It's a remarkable run. But I could see him becoming a more regular goalscorer from here on out. He'll have the taste for it, the confidence that he can do it (and seemingly at any time, from anywhere!) and that positional nous which goalscorers get more of every time they put the ball in the net.
The quality of his football otherwise will stay at this level because honestly it's been at this level for most of his first team career with us. Some people called him 'inconsistent' because running around being integral to our attacking football and pressing without scoring goals only gets credit from some people when the team scores and wins. If the other forwards don't get goals suddenly every player in the attacking unit, even those who weren't there to score or assist necessarily, 'aren't creative enough'.
His all round game has improved so much. I've read articles on various sites over the past few weeks with most not quite believing how much he's improved. He needed to improve his output badly and he's done that but even without that, he's improved so much and he's having a huge influence on games, even without the goals.
I read yestersday that he's staying behind in training to train that bit extra which is brilliant to hear and he's also been taking some tips from Zlatan. He was always good off the ball but very often he was poor on it. Now everything he does seems so fluid and he's been an intricate part of our attacking unit over the past few months. His improvement as a footballer shouldn't be underestimated and he should receive huge praise for it. I mean he was never a winger and he often looked completely lost out there. It's great to see him moving into a far more natural position. He's a much better footballer this season than anything we've ever seen from him in the past and I think Mourinho and the coaching staff deserve a little credit too.
I read yestersday that he's staying behind in training to train that bit extra which is brilliant to hear and he's also been taking some tips from Zlatan. He was always good off the ball but very often he was poor on it. Now everything he does seems so fluid and he's been an intricate part of our attacking unit over the past few months. His improvement as a footballer shouldn't be underestimated and he should receive huge praise for it. I mean he was never a winger and he often looked completely lost out there. It's great to see him moving into a far more natural position. He's a much better footballer this season than anything we've ever seen from him in the past and I think Mourinho and the coaching staff deserve a little credit too.
I'm not sure how that could be up for debate. On this form he's England's best player along with Kane. Although to be honest, keeping up his current form would mean scoring a wonderstrike every time he plays and generally being the most dangerous player on the pitch.
He's definitely been better than Alli who's struggling this season. He probably needs to take whatever opportunity he can in the pre World Cup friendlies to try claim a starting berth.
I think if he played for another team he'd have gotten the recognition he deserves. He's been miles better than Alli this season.
To be fair that's what being generally not very good at football will do for you.
Hey man, those quotes were only a bit of fun. They weren’t meant to be taken too serious. The point mainly being a lot of fans judged Lingard way too harshly.
What he is doing this season is remarkable, already on 11 goals and 5 assists. At this rate he could easily reach 20 goals which would be just astonishing number for Lingard. Now one thing which only time will tell is whether his form is just a purple patch or we are seeing a new improved Lingard, now if it is the latter then that would be one big U-turn.
I remember saying Lingard could contribute to 15-20 ( goals + assists ) last season if he is given the chance to play centrally and was bashed for that for a week !!
Happy to see him proving so many people worng !!!
Happy to see him proving so many people worng !!!
It’s 3 champions league winning coaches.
Will be intresting if we sign say a Dybala or Griezman who both play in Lingards best position.
Are you including fergie? Fair enough if so, I was just counting the ones who had him as a frequent performer
Haha my bad I was actually including LVG, the norm on here is to write off everything he ever did at United except bore the pants off of some. I had Fergie as a given as he has always said he’d be a good player.
Personally I think he is in a purple patch of form as still I watch him and for me he makes a lot of poor decisions and runs and his passing is poor but he is just on fire at the moment. Can’t argue with that one bit and hopefully he keeps it going.
This is the key piece and answers why the so called stars keep getting recalled. It takes work to get a fluid International unit and each change of personnel impacts this. Sometimes swapping a player just because they are in form will have a negative impact on fluidity and flow and this the sum of parts doesn’t equal the sum of the whole.
Getting into the inner circle will make it easier to have an impact. There is limited time to work on the setup each year so decisions won’t always tie up with real time football form.
That's all true but Alli has been woeful almost every time he's played for England. He's got over 20 caps and I think I recall him playing well once, against France in a friendly.
If Lingard keeps this up he should definitely be in ahead of Alli.
What? The rest I agree with, but he has some of the best movement in the league. His movement is phenomenal.
Absolutely, I said the same about Pogba and got widely slated: he was primarily signed because of his name and marketability, not where he would fit into the system. As a result, he’s spent the past 18 months shoehorned into an ill-suited deep role as part of a two, and naturally underperformed.
Perisic wasn’t a glamorous choice but would have offered the kind of width Mourinho is desperate for - you can guarantee that if he was a more desirable name on a replica shirt, Woodward would have paid whatever necessary to get him....but he isn’t so he half-arsedly negotiated for him while probably focusing more on the unlikely Griezmann and Bale.
Note that Lingard has made a bigger impact than the exotic likes of Di Maria and Mkhitaryan in recent years - United is a proper club that is more about identity than pure ability, hence why someone like Darren Fletcher is (rightly) held in higher esteem than Veron; Woodward sometimes seems to overlook that.
I personally don’t like Lingard’s American sports-inspired bravado, but as a player he’s fantastic.
He runs a lot but often he closes off space for others so I’d say out of our squad it probably is the best but I’m not convinced it’s on purpose as too often like I say he encroaches on others closes down moves and I’ve even seen Carrick verbally give him a telling off for not running in to space when Stevie Wonder could see the pass and where he should be going.
I’d love nothing more for him to continue this goal scoring form but his overall play hasn’t been of the standard you’d want and I do think Jose will bring in a better pedigree of player to replace him when he gets the chance but the boy is on fire, deserves his spot.
Bullshit like this convinces me that people don't actually watch football here. Even if you take away the goals, he was very good against Watford, Burnley, Leicester and Everton in the last few matches.
Same could be said for posts like yours tho. Not everyone is going to see the same thing, not everyone has the same ideas on what counts as playing well and doesn’t. You’ve also listed 4 games, that’s it and a lot of people base their opinions on him scoring goals instead of his all round play. Maybe some Just demand more before they start calling him Messe Lingard. Again the boy is on fire no denying that but it looks more like he is just in the form of his life but hopefully it continues and he proves me and all the other doubters wrong.
Bullshit like this convinces me that people don't actually watch football here. Even if you take away the goals, he was very good against Watford, Burnley, Leicester and Everton in the last few matches.
Anyone else think that Lingard could possibly play in a midfield 3 next season?
Martial Lukaku Sanchez
Pogba Lingard
Matic
Think his energy speed and interplay would do better there than Herrera. And the boy can press very well.
Martial Lukaku Sanchez
Pogba Lingard
Matic
Think his energy speed and interplay would do better there than Herrera. And the boy can press very well.
You are suggesting that our current best attacker be put in midfield?
LVG is that you?
Sorry man, I couldn't resist.
I think there is zero chance of that happening.
And before you suggest it, DDG will not be playing in midfield, either.
In all seriousness, he is an attacker who happens to be in great form. Whether this is his true level or just a (positive) blip, remains to be seen, but Jose won't play one of our best attackers this season, in midfield.
You are suggesting that our current best attacker be put in midfield?
LVG is that you?
Sorry man, I couldn't resist.
There's a contingent on this forum that is obsessed with a possession based system and all about pretty patterns.
They are obsessed to the point that they don't understand that we already play 3 in midfield with Lingard. Because a no.10 in Mourinho's system must act as a third midfielder off the ball and as a support striker on the ball.
I'd certainly give it a go yes. Herrera offers nothing, so Lingard is bound to be an improvement on that. Obviously he would need to change his game slightly but I think he has a lot of the required qualities. Good pressing, good link up play, constantly on the move, puts a shift in.
Glad I'm not the only one who sees that potential. He roams so much atm anyway thatbhe is often in that position anyway. He might need a bit more positional discipline but he is intelligent enough to adjust.
I’ve thought this for a while. His ball retention is decent enough, his energy and movement too. He’d still get into goalscoring positions ala Lampard running from deep. 4-3-3 gets the best out of Pogba, and Lingard isn’t great starting wide - the only solutions would be for Jesse to play deeper on the right, or revert to a diamond with Lingard behind a front two, which Mourinho won’t (but probably should have given that he has no proper wingers, a few #10s and Martial and Rashford preferring to play central)
Disagree. At that point he was very average. And they were commenting on his current at that time and previous form. To say he was average at a time when he was average remains pretty justified and accurate.
And I, despite not ever thinking he'd hit this kind of form, did defend him last season for his movement and work rate, but was rebutted by a poster showing his admittedly really poor goals/assists:minutes.
I'm probably gonna get called out here, and I've just put up a post about how last season I was giving lingard credit. But as silly as it might sound to some, I'm still not convinced this type of form will continue for very long. Maybe this season, but to me he simply isn't creative enough. He's getting the goals and shutting a lot of us up and has proven he's better than we ever expected he would be. But I still need to see more from him. Not in terms of goals, but overall contribution when he's on the ball not looking to shoot.
Let's not go over the top , it's good form he is showing, that is all
I'm probably old skool, but I prefer players who like to shoot at the goal and score goals.
We have far too many player who fanny around in the middle of the pitch. Miki is the best example of this and he is useless.
Goals win your games. And Lingard scores goals.
Let's not forget that the most valuable/expensive players in the World are those who score goals, so I don't think I'm unique in this way of thinking.
You are suggesting that our current best attacker be put in midfield?
LVG is that you?
Sorry man, I couldn't resist.
I think there is zero chance of that happening.
And before you suggest it, DDG will not be playing in midfield, either.
In all seriousness, he is an attacker who happens to be in great form. Whether this is his true level or just a (positive) blip, remains to be seen, but Jose won't play one of our best attackers this season, in midfield.
That's exactly where he played him in the second half against Derby.
You are suggesting that our current best attacker be put in midfield?
LVG is that you?
Sorry man, I couldn't resist.
I think there is zero chance of that happening.
And before you suggest it, DDG will not be playing in midfield, either.
In all seriousness, he is an attacker who happens to be in great form. Whether this is his true level or just a (positive) blip, remains to be seen, but Jose won't play one of our best attackers this season, in midfield.
I thought we did play both Pogba & Lingard in a similar midfield trio which both of them were playing more central in midfield with license to go forward when we played against Arsenal in 352 formation.
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