You can swap lingard for "any united player"
Sadly lingard is a 1 in 10 games kinda player
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Sadly lingard is a 1 in 10 games kinda player
They really weren't integral. You could swap them for so many other players and get the same result. As is now true of Lingard.
They were however responsible for that deflated feeling you get when the starting XI gets announced and you're not happy.
Neville or O'shea in midfield was just depressing. You can't have been happy with that?
Good pro's, had a few memorable moments but ultimately they were lucky to spend so long here. Especially Neville.
I can't see Mourinho doing the same with Lingard.
They were all much better than lingard tho and it's much much easier defending in football than it is creating and attacking.
So you can have utility men at the back but you need players with key attributes up top, lingard has no key skills
He's the new Kieran Richardson. Had a few good games and his cup final goal comes to mind, but overall way out of his depth.
He's another Cleverley or Richardson, a crap player who will divide opinion because he's English and from our academy. If he was foreign he'd be another Darmian or Buttner type where no one would give a single solitary shit if he was sold.
Matt Stead nails it here.
Great shout.
But but he has good movement. I wish I was an attacking footballer getting paid big bucks for my movement and nothing else.
He's not good enough to be a starter.
He's not good enough to be a starter.
Always said that Jesse is very good without the ball. His mouvement are clever and he's very good at it.
Unfortunately, football is a sport with the ball too...
Unfortunately, football is a sport with the ball too...
@SirScholes i take it you have not be reading the thread buddy? As this is what I have said in the last few posts!
Aye, the article is pretty much saying what most are saying on here (difference is, the author can say it without being labelled a 'hater'
).I expected so much more from Lingard this season. This was mainly based on the way people on here went on about him and some promising performances last season. I thought that maybe under Mourinho, he could work more on his all-round game and improve, but as I've previously said, I actually think he's regressed this season.
I mean, squad players used to be players that were knocking on the door of the first teamers positions and keeping them on their toes. Now we have players like Darmian and Lingard who are a significant downgrade on our first team options and don't warrant a starting berth whatsoever. In games like yesterday, I absolutely hate seeing Lingard's name on the team sheet as you just know that you will get the kind of performance that we got. I don't mind him coming on late on in games but that's about it and that alone doesn't justify him being here.
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Annoyingly that's the way it is around here when it comes to academy players. Any sort of objectivity and judging of actual performances goes right out the window when it comes to an academy graduate.
Poor Jesse... I get the impression he really wants to be a lot lot better then he actually is.
But he isn't, and he's just underwhelming more often then not.
But he isn't, and he's just underwhelming more often then not.
Lingard is the very definition of Average but some how on this forum the notion that we can't do better than likes of him as squad player has gained traction.
We can all agree that squad players can't be of similar quality as starters as it would create problems in managing their game time but settling for squad players who won't look out of place in Championship teams is recipe for disaster If you claim to be top team with ambition to compete for top honours , so next season we need better players even as squad options if we want to challenge for the league.
We can all agree that squad players can't be of similar quality as starters as it would create problems in managing their game time but settling for squad players who won't look out of place in Championship teams is recipe for disaster If you claim to be top team with ambition to compete for top honours , so next season we need better players even as squad options if we want to challenge for the league.
I would hope that Borthwick-Jackson and/or Riley will get a chance at some point. Both better than Darmian or will be soon. Rubbish loans they seem to have had so far though.
Apologies, only so many pages yo can read back through
Not even sure if he's good enough to be a squad player anymore, he brings nothing to the table.
At this point I'd rather keep Young than Lingard
6th last year, 6th now
It's because we have a squad full of 6th place players:
Darmian
Blind
Rojo
Fellaini
Rooney
Young
Shaw
Romero
Lingard is one of them, he is very lucky
He plays at Utd when his real level is the Championship/League one
It's because we have a squad full of 6th place players:
Darmian
Blind
Rojo
Fellaini
Rooney
Young
Shaw
Romero
Lingard is one of them, he is very lucky
He plays at Utd when his real level is the Championship/League one
He certainly showed more yesterday anyway.
Totally agree, our squad players are seriously shite for the most part. Add Jones, Smalling and Schweini to that list and you have a full starting lineup that would be overachieving if they finished mid to lower table. Jose needs too purge this Summer. Although i disagree about Blind, he is an asset and a fantastic squad player to have.
Lingard doesn't even do a job. For all his effort he very rarely wins the ball back and his runs are fruitless and don't distract intelligent defenders who mostly would want him to receive the ball.
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Depay and Schneiderlin out it's a begin
Lingard may not have played well today or that great a player but seriously it feels like some posters/fan can't wait to dish out shit about our own players. It's like watching a player do badly with more glee and delight than enjoying a win.
Are you kidding me? You've listed our second keeper? The others - although I don't agree with all - fair enough, they'll play singificant minutes. Romero will barely play in the Prem. You want a top 4 level goal keeper for the bench? Nonsensical.
Lingard is just a very average player and not good enough to play at the top level. He's a decent option to have for cup games against weaker sides for now but personally I would move him on in the summer. Try to sell him to one of the bottom sides in the league like Liverpool did with Ibe. They managed to sell Ibe to Bournemouth for £15M I'm sure we could convince a side that Lingard is worth £10M+.
Hardly any of them, apart from Darmian, Blind and Rojo, have played any real amount of minutes. It's a bizarre list.
Problem with Lingard is that he is seen as a winger. He has zero attributes of a winger apart from a burst of pace. He can't cross a ball, can't take on a man.
However, he seems to be very effective centrally in a no.10 sort of role. I see him as a subpar Pedro. Ok, Squad player because he makes good runs and creates space. He is not a starter but no need to wish him out of the club, it's a squad game and for such matches like Blackburn away in FA Cup. He is useful but is an appalling finisher. If he wants to get taken seriously he needs to start taking his chances or get some assists. Still living off his FA Cup winner at the moment.
Also we are not blessed with a lot quick players and he is an ok option, but that's all he is at the moment an option nothing more than that. Should he move on in summer seeking first team football I won't be too fussed about it.
However, he seems to be very effective centrally in a no.10 sort of role. I see him as a subpar Pedro. Ok, Squad player because he makes good runs and creates space. He is not a starter but no need to wish him out of the club, it's a squad game and for such matches like Blackburn away in FA Cup. He is useful but is an appalling finisher. If he wants to get taken seriously he needs to start taking his chances or get some assists. Still living off his FA Cup winner at the moment.
Also we are not blessed with a lot quick players and he is an ok option, but that's all he is at the moment an option nothing more than that. Should he move on in summer seeking first team football I won't be too fussed about it.
No worries great minds and fools seldom come to mind lol
this is so true (and I'll be the first to admit having some rose-tinted specs for English lads esp from the Academy).
Pretty much. He's a decent enough squad player anyway. I don't mind him in the team.
I don't actually with a good few on the list, but I didn't want to detract from my Romero point. The Romero one is just beyond daft. It'd make sense if he was our first choice keeper. He probably wants Lloris as De Gea's understudy.
Our islands have produced too many players whose basic technical defincies ie their short game simply isn't good enough at the highest level.
There are many scattered all over Premier League clubs, but we have at least three - Rooney, Young and Jesse - who simply have the inability to pass the ball five or ten yards on a consistent basis without a move breaking down.
It's been going on for years - and I don't see anything changing. Maybe Luke Shaw and Rashford will emerge as the real deals - that is, trying to take care of the ball at all times, not just when there's an attack on - but I'm not holding my breath.
There are many scattered all over Premier League clubs, but we have at least three - Rooney, Young and Jesse - who simply have the inability to pass the ball five or ten yards on a consistent basis without a move breaking down.
It's been going on for years - and I don't see anything changing. Maybe Luke Shaw and Rashford will emerge as the real deals - that is, trying to take care of the ball at all times, not just when there's an attack on - but I'm not holding my breath.
How did Richardson divide opinion though? I don't remember anyone who didn't think he was shit. And Cleverley only divided opinion because he actually put in a number of good performances early in his career with us (like Anderson).
Lingard divides opinion because, despite being an OK if rather inconsistent player, he is the current Caf scapegoat when Fellaini's not playing now that Mata and Rojo have actually started playing football again. If Jones gets injured for a good spell or Smalling gets dropped for a bit the usual ruminant shit flinging nomads will move to their threads to slag them off instead. In fact, if Herrera keeps up his recent form he'll probably come back into the crosshairs too.
Out of interest, who do we think the other top 6 teams' 5th choice wingers are?
Chelsea: Moses? Kenedy?
Spurs: Sissoko?
City: Navas?
Arsenal: Ox?
Liverpool: Ojo?
Any of those stand out as being vastly better than Lingard?
Chelsea: Moses? Kenedy?
Spurs: Sissoko?
City: Navas?
Arsenal: Ox?
Liverpool: Ojo?
Any of those stand out as being vastly better than Lingard?
To those defending Lingard: do you realize he is taking a spot that we could provide to a player with real potential to develop into a world-beater?
There are players in our academy who May be ready and would jump at the chance of playing some first team football, but it's Lingard getting the call. For example, would you rather see Lingard in the team or TFM?
Lingard or Andreas Pereira (yes, I know he's on loan)?
I would take TFM or Pereira in the team any day instead of Lingard.
There are players in our academy who May be ready and would jump at the chance of playing some first team football, but it's Lingard getting the call. For example, would you rather see Lingard in the team or TFM?
Lingard or Andreas Pereira (yes, I know he's on loan)?
I would take TFM or Pereira in the team any day instead of Lingard.
For the positions that Lingard is picked in (on the wings or #10) there is no doubt that I would rather see Lingard than TFM.
Lingard is contributing now. Pereira needs experience and is getting it on loan. Would you rather stunt his development by making him a bit part player here? And what Fosu Mensah has to do with anything I've no idea.
I think he will stay at United for a long time, he reminds me of Anderson, a very average player but he's very popular in the dressing room and fits into the culture of the club. Don't know why some of you are getting so touchy about him, he is never going to be a top player, that's very clear. He will be a decent squad player.
Funny how you compare him to Anderson; a useless player who was more suited to being a clown than a footballer. If we'd have got rid of average players like him far sooner perhaps we wouldn't have fallen off a cliff as soon as Ferguson left.
I thought he contributed pretty well last season, and not just in the obvious way... But he looks very short of confidence now. He does pull defenders all over the place though, you have to give him that.
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