Yeah somewhere....
Too bad he hasnt proved it one bit.
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Too bad he hasnt proved it one bit.
Transfer fee I can understand: different contract conditions with their clubs (release clause or not, contract length...), their clubs' financial power (wage offer for renewal, the need to balance book by transfer vs funding transfer through profit else where...), short of good player for specific position/ tactical requirements, ...
Wage I don't agree. It maybe not much, but still quite high for bit part player, and would affect future bit part player signings' wage and other squad players' renewal. Unlike top players who repay by both performance and commercial pull, squad players offer much less since they can't get guarantee game time nor much commercial draw.
Edit: let's not forget, if playing the card right and sell the aged star player at the right time, clubs can get a decent transfer fee and make up part of the upfront wage. Bit part players is hard to turn over, those with top wage of their type is even harder to sell. Had they declined, it's disastrous as we actually pay them to sit on the bench or pay them to play for someone else. This kind of wasted money should be put into "development fee" to buy back for young players sold with buy back clause (better than having player stuck in Reserve or sent to wrong loan and got paid sitting on other clubs' bench).
This is my personal rule: IMO squad player should be max at 1/4th of top paid star. Arguably, top stars already repaid half their wage in commercial pull. For most part, their performance justifies the other half. Squad player should be half of that, perhaps with performance bonus on top of that from case to case basis.
Wage I don't agree. It maybe not much, but still quite high for bit part player, and would affect future bit part player signings' wage and other squad players' renewal. Unlike top players who repay by both performance and commercial pull, squad players offer much less since they can't get guarantee game time nor much commercial draw.
Edit: let's not forget, if playing the card right and sell the aged star player at the right time, clubs can get a decent transfer fee and make up part of the upfront wage. Bit part players is hard to turn over, those with top wage of their type is even harder to sell. Had they declined, it's disastrous as we actually pay them to sit on the bench or pay them to play for someone else. This kind of wasted money should be put into "development fee" to buy back for young players sold with buy back clause (better than having player stuck in Reserve or sent to wrong loan and got paid sitting on other clubs' bench).
This is my personal rule: IMO squad player should be max at 1/4th of top paid star. Arguably, top stars already repaid half their wage in commercial pull. For most part, their performance justifies the other half. Squad player should be half of that, perhaps with performance bonus on top of that from case to case basis.
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Love the hate in here for a player who's going to play a big role in us winning stuff over the next few years. Maybe there should be a thread educating some about football and how a team needs more than a starting 11. People who hate Lingard are probably in the same camp as the Fellaini haters. The lack of understanding about a football squad is baffling at times 
Why anyone cares for the finances of this club is beyond my understanding. We barely know what we can afford. We do not know who the club & the manager values enough to be worried if someone is over or under payed. Either way a squad player for united is worth equal to a star player playing just outside the top 4.
Oh look we found the football expert who will teach us other fans how Lingard is the best thing since sliced bread and will be instrumental in us winning trophies, it's baffling how some people can't spot a dud.
You are having an absolute mare here. Not to mention making things up.
Why would that be then
Good question. Why?
You said I'm having a mare and making things up, please elaborate
I have a feeling he's going to start on Sunday
Him being the worst player in the squad and stuff and you keep repeating that as you clearly dont like him to say the least. Also nodoby said he's the best thing since sliced bread or that he'll be instrumental in our trophies.
That he'll be a part of it he already showed.
Well, why wouldn't wages go up? Money goes up so if clubs aren't willing to pay wages of a certain standard, other clubs will. That means you have to pay to keep/acquire players.
He's not a bit part player, he's a squad player. And boosting up squad players' wages to 1/40 of the wage budget is not a lot. And that's assuming a £200m/year budget. If it's £250m/year it's 1/50. And if we get CL football next season our turnover will be £550/600m meaning that we can have a wage budget of £275/300m at a comfortable 50% of the turnover - at this point Lingard's share goes down to one fifty-fifth or one sixtieth.
I meant go up, but not this much. In other league, players got paid quite less while arguably on the same level at Lingard.
The profit as I said should go into transfer fee mostly, and of course wage for star player who repay more. It's not the issue, but not the good "value" for the spent money.
Happy for him to be honest. Sure he's not out flashiest player but he clearly loves the club and he works hard when he plays. I'm not getting involved in the 'is he rubbish' debate but surely if he's as bad as some would have you believe, how has he convinced Mourinho otherwise? Mourinho must see some value in him and that's more than enough for me!
Ah great we give out big contracts to below average squaddies now, fantastic. Should of offered like 60, he offers nothing other than making up numbers and licking pogbas arse and he's at a club above his level, we should played hard ball here
Some of you are really creative, I'll give you that.
I was responding to the previous football expert who said he would have a big role in us winning over the next few years. That people who don't rate Lingard need educating.
As a person I have no feelings one way or the other, as a football player I don't rate him at all . We can have 25, over 21s in our squad, they don't all have to be superstars but we don't need sub-standard players either.
Why this talk of hate, I don't know the bloke, but I do know his standard of football.
Like you are at wummingSome of you are really creative, I'll give you that.
No. You're better really.
Bugs me as well buddy, I agree we need squad players but they need to be good surely
Says lingard will play a "big part" in united winning throphies, goes on to deny that anyone said he would be instrumental, ok.
We all understand we need squad players, no one is argueing that, we just want good squad players
Instrumental and a big role. That isnt the same.
You think he's not a good squad player I think he is. Plus you think he's there to 'lick Pogba's arse.' So Mourinho plays him just for that I guess...
Lol nicely back tracked
He's being played because there isn't another winger when mhiki is being rested (or was finding form), I never said that's why he is being played, I said that's all he is good at
if this figure is true, then i'm absolutely baffled by the decision. Lingard offers pretty much nothing and at 24 he's not even a "prospect" anymore. The only defence of him is the predictable "scored in a cup final", yet he's done nothing to warrant any kind of inclusion since then. Even the goal was right-place-right-time one off with him.
Not forgetting "movement" and "creating space for others", as if those qualities can't be bought in someone else who also manages to actually do something with the ball at his feet too, while not demanding a huge sum of money for being conceived in the Stretford end.
At any other top 6 club he would barely pass as a footballer, but at United whole sections of fans will overlook the obvious blinded by loyalty to the "academy" and the fact a stalk delivered him to Carrington when he was born.
Not forgetting "movement" and "creating space for others", as if those qualities can't be bought in someone else who also manages to actually do something with the ball at his feet too, while not demanding a huge sum of money for being conceived in the Stretford end.
At any other top 6 club he would barely pass as a footballer, but at United whole sections of fans will overlook the obvious blinded by loyalty to the "academy" and the fact a stalk delivered him to Carrington when he was born.
We need him on a long deal to ensure we get value if we sell him.
I doubt he is on 95k more like 60k.
The Dab King > The King of Big Game Bottlers Balding Kane.
I doubt he is on 95k more like 60k.
The Dab King
> The King of Big Game Bottlers Balding Kane.So do I, Unfortunately.
Be sure to explain how exactly have I backtracked. Not that I expect you'll do it. Memphis is a winger, how come he doesnt play?
I don't hate Lingard. I have absolutely no idea what you're going on about
Not rating Lingard, Smalling or Fellaini equates to being a 'hater'. Get with it, man.
Because he is worse?
Got called out on big player, went on to play down what that actually means.
Big player? What are you talking about. Go throught the thread, it will help you cause you're losing it a bit.
Doesn't even make space, watch where he runs and how little the defences has to move to keep him in their pocket
Typical wum, attacks the poster when they have nothing further to add to the debate. Bye now
You about wumming and you're putting things into my mouth I didnt even say.
Bye now, dont come back unless you stop making things up.Can we have a separate moaning thread for those members who would like to moan and moan and moan about Smalling, Fellaini, Lingard, Valencia, Rojo etc etc 'not United quality' players, so that player threads can be used for serious play-related discussions?
Why is having an issue about the standard of lingard and his poor performances not related to his play?
Because the agenda of the 'moaners' becomes obvious from the very first sentence they write.
This. I don't know how often the reported fees or wages United allegedly pay for or to a player need to be shown to be exaggerated before people wait to express their righteous indignation over how the club spends money.
But what if you genuinely think he isn't good enough?
There should be about 20 Rooney threads closed as well then
Just expressing opinions I guess
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