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Seems a bit much but I guess wages are generally higher these days. We can afford it of course.
 
So you think he should earn more than Rojo, Jones, Smalling, Bailly, Darmian, Shaw, Carrick, Valencia, Martial, Fellaini, Blind, Herrera, Rashford
The world really has gone mad

Its really not for me or you to decide. The club has a wage structure and can pay players whatever they want based on their perceived value by Woody and Mourinho.

I wouldn't of course begrudge any of our players from earning more, especially not local lads who have been with the club since age 7. Many of the others you listed also deserve a pay raise.
 
I was thinking today that he's pretty much Adam Lallana, only not quite as good. Not yet anyway, he's got a few years to his advantage though.
 
I really don't see the guy as anything more than a squad player. He can come in and have good moments, but it is a rare occurrence. Should never be starting ahead of Martial, Rashford, Mkhi or Mata.

Nearing a 100k a week is mental for a squad player imho.
 
Its really not for me or you to decide. The club has a wage structure and can pay players whatever they want based on their perceived value by Woody and Mourinho.

I wouldn't of course begrudge any of our players from earning more, especially not local lads who have been with the club since age 7. Many of the others you listed also deserve a pay raise.

If it is true that is, no it's not up to us, I couldn't care what they pay , it's not my money. The other players might though.
Just as long as he's not in the team.
 
If it is true that is, no it's not up to us, I couldn't care what they pay , it's not my money. The other players might though.
Just as long as he's not in the team.

Well he is going to be in the team if we are in effect promoting him. We are likely to see more of him so you might as well get used to it.
 
I was thinking today that he's pretty much Adam Lallana, only not quite as good. Not yet anyway, he's got a few years to his advantage though.

Really? That's a very generous comparison imo. Both in style and quality, I find Lingard a long way from Lallana's level.
 
Well he is going to be in the team if we are in effect promoting him. We are likely to see more of him so you might as well get used to it.

Seems it's in a lot of the papers, so could be true, I will never get used to having such a poor player in a United team. Just do not rate him at all, which apparently makes me a hater. Just as I thought we were progressing.
 
Seems it's in a lot of the papers, so could be true, I will never get used to having such a poor player in a United team. Just do not rate him at all, which apparently makes me a hater. Just as I thought we were progressing.

I don't look at him in terms of individual skills just as I didn't view the likes of JoS, Wes Brown, Cleverley, Welbeck et al in that regard. They were integral members of the manager's strategy at the time, even if they vacillated from starting XI to casual squad players. I view Jesse in the same vein. He's perfectly capable of having a nice long United career in the same vein as some of the others from the Fergie era. If Mourinho didn't rate him, you could bet the house he would never see the light of day or get an extension. He obviously does.
 
I don't look at him in terms of individual skills just as I didn't view the likes of JoS, Wes Brown, Cleverley, Welbeck et al in that regard. They were integral members of the manager's strategy at the time, even if they vacillated from starting XI to casual squad players. I view Jesse in the same vein. He's perfectly capable of having a nice long United career in the same vein as some of the others from the Fergie era. If Mourinho didn't rate him, you could bet the house he would never see the light of day or get an extension. He obviously does.

My thoughts exactly. I'm pleased for him and I'm pleased for United.

There's a lot more to Lingard than the likes of Cleverley.
 
I don't look at him in terms of individual skills just as I didn't view the likes of JoS, Wes Brown, Cleverley, Welbeck et al in that regard. They were integral members of the manager's strategy at the time, even if they vacillated from starting XI to casual squad players. I view Jesse in the same vein. He's perfectly capable of having a nice long United career in the same vein as some of the others from the Fergie era. If Mourinho didn't rate him, you could bet the house he would never see the light of day or get an extension. He obviously does.

The last bit worries me. Some people mention his misses his inability to cross very often or dribble past players , which do concern me, but my biggest problem is he disrupts our flow and when he's on the pitch it's like being back to LVG times
 
He was stealing a living on his £25,000 contract. He's now stealing nearly 4 livings. Impressive
 
He was stealing a living on his £25,000 contract. He's now stealing nearly 4 livings. Impressive

You must really be impressed with Schweinsteiger and Ashley Young's ability to steal livings given that they earn a hell of a lot more than Lingard.
 
Any time this thread is bumped you can guarantee Paul The Wolf has at least 5 posts telling every one how crap Lingard is.
 
You must really be impressed with Schweinsteiger and Ashley Young's ability to steal livings given that they earn a hell of a lot more than Lingard.

Absolutely. We'd be better off getting rid of all 3 in my opinion, but its a Somewhat different situation with them. Schweinsteiger has achieved greatly in the football world and his wages reflect that. In hindsight it was a terrible move from Van Gaal, but you saw what his intentions were. Getting a player that knows his system to guide his team on the pitch was a sound idea but a lack of fitness and reportedly, dedication to the team saw the intent and the wages wasted.

Young was also a well regarded player in his Villa days, and Fergie thought he could carry that form and ability into his United team. Young failed in my eyes, but always did a relatively competent job whatever position he was thrown in.

Schweinsteiger and Young have been frozen out which is not necessarily their faults for the most part so its not a case of stealing a living with them, but rather a case of not being allowed to earn their living.

Lingard on the other hand, bar an FA cup final goal, good cross against West Brom and a couple of goals in the 10/11 Youth cup has been anonymous in my eyes. There's been countless games where he has played and I wasn't even aware he was on the pitch, such was his contribution. It's all well and good creating space for others, but to be in a team like Manchester United you need to have more than "movement" and an occasional blooter. One 7/10 game in the middle of a dozen of 5/10 performances shouldn't cut it at this level. I have watched him since his U18 days, and he hasnt really progressed since he was 19.
 
Not sure he'd get that at any other club. Not a big fan but if you were to spend to replace him in the squad, it'd probably work out the same. Pity there's nobody to replace him from within the ranks. Still, better value than Wayne.
 
Based on what the rest of the squad earn and comparable players from other teams, 60K would be generous.

Another way to look at it... its surely going to unsettle the spurs squad.
 
Based on what the rest of the squad earn and comparable players from other teams, 60K would be generous.

Another way to look at it... its surely going to unsettle the spurs squad.

True. Can't see the likes of Kane and Alli staying there much longer on their current weekly wages when they could easily double them at United, Chelsea, or City or abroad.
 
I'm definitely in favor of extending his contract, he's definitely earned that. Wages are a bit steep though.
 
Who the feck cares about his wages, we don't pay his wages. The bigger question is whether or not it's worth extending his contract to keep him here, and most people would say it is.
 
If it is true that is, no it's not up to us, I couldn't care what they pay , it's not my money. The other players might though.
Just as long as he's not in the team.

Young is one of the highest paid players in the team. Who's making a fuss?
 
Who the feck cares about his wages, we don't pay his wages. The bigger question is whether or not it's worth extending his contract to keep him here, and most people would say it is.
You can't just look at it as whether or not United can afford it. A player on higher wages is harder to get rid of because smaller clubs won't be able to afford the player and the player might not be willing to take a pay cut. I know this contract means we believe in him, but seeing as he's a squad player, it's not out of the question for him not to succeed. Should that time come, it will be tough to get rid of him.

I hope he's not on 95k. He's a United squad player and played for United all his life. Sometimes loyalty has to be bought, but you know we have that with Lingard. For that reason United should have a better bargaining position than usual. It feels like United are sort of outbidding themselves in a way by offering that much.
 
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He would seriously want to step up his game if he is now going to be earning that kind of money.
 
in the mould of the Quinton Fortune/ Ji-Sung Park. Necessary committed squad players. Bonus that he is an academy grad.
 
He didn't even play in the second half of last season nor has he played in this season. I am not a Depay fan either but he has more potential to succeed and be a class winger than Lingard. Depay is 22 and so he will be tearing teams once he gets his confidence back.
Even De Bryune didn't get games under Mourinho and look at him now.

What does Memphis do DEFENSIVELY?

Also, How many times does Jesse Lingard have to come up big in non regular games to get just a little respect? Yeah, he's inconsistent. So what. He's also a TEAM player that can score and generate opportunities for others. He also plays defense better that Mr. non track back, non pass the ball Memphis Depay.


Sheesh.
 
You can't just look at it as whether or not United can afford it. A player on higher wages is harder to get rid of because smaller clubs won't be able to afford the player and the player might not be willing to take a pay cut.

I hope he's not on 95k. He's a United squad player and played for United all his life. Sometimes loyalty has to be bought, but you know we have that with Lingard. For that reason United should have a better bargaining position than usual. It feels like United are sort of outbidding themselves in a way by offering that much.

He's a young player who has just signed a long term contract because the manager rates him. We shouldn't even be thinking about the prospect of getting rid of him anytime soon and why would you assume he'd leave for a smaller team anyway or a team that wouldn't be able to afford his wage demands? Its kind of absurd. I don't think clubs approach contracts with the things you have in mind.
 
So you think he should earn more than Rojo, Jones, Smalling, Bailly, Darmian, Shaw, Carrick, Valencia, Martial, Fellaini, Blind, Herrera, Rashford
The world really has gone mad

Everyone in bold (including Rashford whose my favorite player) yup. Lingard making more than them isn't a problem at all.
 
He's a young player who has just signed a long term contract because the manager rates him. We shouldn't even be thinking about the prospect of getting rid of him anytime soon and why would you assume he'd leave for a smaller team anyway or a team that wouldn't be able to afford his wage demands? Its kind of absurd. I don't think clubs approach contracts with the things you have in mind.
That was kind of my point.

Should he fail, it would be harder to get rid of because of those wages. Not just because a smaller club can't' afford it, but Jesse would have to take a huge paycut to leave the club he's been at his whole life and as you said, it's absurd.

You might point to a star player and say that's a gamble too, and you would be right, except those players can ask for a lot of money because it's not just one big club after that player. So you have to take the gamble if you want the player. With Jesse, none of that applies. We're basically just outbidding ourselves in a way with Jesse.

I'm all for offering him a new contract. I'm glad he's staying. Just offer him less money so it's easier to get rid of him should he not live up to expectations.
 
Congrats Jesse. If United think pace, work rate, defense and being friends with Pogba, Ibra and the manager are worth 95k a week, who am I to say no. I like you as a backup wing player that can play the left or right.

Would I pay that much? Nope. But I'm glad you're going to be a Red for a bit.

Now... let's get a Carrick replacement next summer and I'll be happy.
 
£95,000 a week for him!? Bloody hell that is a joke if true. As a squad player trying to make it at Utd getting paid that much makes no sense at all - would take a big part of the motivation to push on and become a top player away imo as he already gets paid as if he was a top player whether he makes it or not. Bizarre.
 
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£95,000 a week for him!? Bloody hell that is a joke if true. As a squad player trying to make it at Utd getting paid that much makes no sense at all - would take a big part of the motivation to push on and become a top player away imo as he already gets paid as if he was a top player whether he makes it or not. Bizarre.
Unfortunately (or fortunately for him) that's the way football has gone now, the wages are ridiculous. Look at the money that average players can get in China for example. This is becoming the going rate for a solid squad player in a top 6 Premier League side - isn't Young already on more than this?

As for Lingard, it's good to have a local lad doing well and he's a useful squad player who still has room for development. Not every player has to be a star signing.
 
Unfortunately (or fortunately for him) that's the way football has gone now, the wages are ridiculous. Look at the money that average players can get in China for example. This is becoming the going rate for a solid squad player in a top 6 Premier League side - isn't Young already on more than this?

As for Lingard, it's good to have a local lad doing well and he's a useful squad player who still has room for development. Not every player has to be a star signing.

It's not though - if you look at my own club Spurs we work on the basis that if you perform on the pitch to a high standard we regularly will review your contract and improve the terms - gives players the motivation to improve as they know they will be rewarded for it. I'm not saying Lingard isn't a decent squad player - but £95,000 is a crazy, crazy amount to be paying a fringe player - Kane just crossed the £100,000 mark (at least I think he did) after several seasons of consistently strong performances.
 
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