I am sorry but "it's a fact"? I am not a Lingard fan but Depay has been singularly shite for us whenever he has played in the PL barring a couple of games last season.
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He didn't even play in the second half of last season nor has he played in this season. I am not a Depay fan either but he has more potential to succeed and be a class winger than Lingard. Depay is 22 and so he will be tearing teams once he gets his confidence back.
Even De Bryune didn't get games under Mourinho and look at him now.
You cannot just bring up De Bryune to justify every young player's exclusion. Depay had one good season in the Dutch league. Yes he is only 22, but he has been absolutely shite for us last season. There is a reason why not every player is cut out for the top. Nani was far, far more talented than Depay but even he struggled with confidence issues and many will say didn't really live up to his potential bar a season or two. Depay, so far, has not shown he is a better squad option than Lingard. If I had to keep one of them as a squad player, it would be Lingard currently and this is coming from someone who thinks he is not good enough for us.
Because martial and Rashford were out of form till about 3 weeks back and mkhitariyan wasn't ready till about a month back. Now that they are all ready, he will probably be nothing more than squad rotation starting in a few cup games. Plus it's not like he is starting himself. Mourinho gave him starts. He wouldn't do that if he wasn't doing something right.
And he is probably getting nothing more than 30k a month at best.
Cant really argue with this, Lingard is much more reliable as a squad player than Memphis. At this stage a post-box may be more reliable than Memphis.
Fully expect Lingard to start tomorrow.
I don't directly have a problem with Jose, I wanted him ever since Fergie said he was leaving. Perhaps I may have a problem with the inclusion of Lingard when he often shouldn't be playing but that is about it.
And tomorrow is one of those games he should be playing in. Just not the important league ones.
True, though I can see why he has been selected by Jose in big games-at least so far. Though he was just terrible at home v City, when he was getting picked in big games so far Martial/Miki were both having their own form issues. It will be interesting to see if everyone is fully fit and in form who would get picked.
One good season in the Dutch League? He was 20 when he had that good season, and I admit he was shite last season but who wasn't shite last season except Martial and De Gea? LVG made everyone look bad with his horrible slow passing and possession football. Depay hasn't even been given minutes this season to justify his exclusion. You have only seen him play few games last season and you are judging him on that. I'd still keep the lad and give him more chances. If we want squad players then Lingard is a better option than Depay since he's less likely to sulk on the bench.
I just don't want us to regret this decision later if Depay ends up as good as he can be. The lad has potential just like Martial.
No it isn't.
Regarding Depay,he won't be getting regular chances this season. An odd game here or there isn't going to help him much. He looks very much a confidence player, but unfortunately he won't get a look-in in this crucial juncture of our season.
Lingard's off the ball running into channels can be cruicial at times when we don't look like scoring.He has a better impact coming off the bench or after a long lay off from the XI than Depay ever did.
It comes down to what you want really. Do you want a player like Memphis who presumably has a huge amount of talent but when he goes on the pitch doesn't seem to be able to produce any kind of regular output who has a slight chance of maybe becoming a world class player or do you go for someone like Lingard who is less talented but will always work hard and give his everything on the pitch. Lingard also does seem to chip in with a fair amount of end product too although presumably he won't improve too much in the future.
Clearly Memphis' ceiling is higher but there's absolute no evidence to back up that he'll be 'way more successful'. You could probably count on one hand the number of really good games Memphis has had for us. Lingard has for me had a much more positive impact. If Lingard could improve his finishing(because he has missed quite a number of great chances at times) he could become a really good squad player for a number of years with us.
I hope Memphis does become great if it helps, it would render my username not completely useless.
Why does Lingard play when other players sit on the bench? Because Managers trust him, know him to be a useful player who would give his hundred percent for the team. Simple really, no?
Lingard might be perfectly happy with a decent amount of starts and more of a squad player role. He knows he's a limited player, but his work ethic and effort will ensure that manager sees him as a reliable option to call upon when needed.
Memphis is better than to spend the rest of his long career in that role. He can be a regular starter at any mid tier club at the moment and maybe become a top player for a CL side.But too bad for him, United have better players as starters, and hence need to move away asap.
Memphis is better than to spend the rest of his long career in that role. He can be a regular starter at any mid tier club at the moment and maybe become a top player for a CL side.But too bad for him, United have better players as starters, and hence need to move away asap.
Depay's best performances to date is beating up on a couple of teams in Europa League. Lingard has had anonymous and poor performances but has also made contributions of actual value to the club, including a stunning winner in the FA Cup.
There's no basis to assert that Depay will definitely be better than Lingard other than the fact one was a relatively unheralded prospect who had to work his way up to the first team squad and the other was a big money transfer from the Eredivisie.
Many players who have had great seasons in the Dutch league but could not reproduce against better oppositions. That is a fact. Depay could well be one of them and his performances for us so far has shown that it is more likely to be the case. As for the comment about potential like Martial, that's laughable at best. Depay struggles to beat his man and has nowhere near the kind of ball control at pace which Martial has. That is one of his biggest issues.
At the moment it's a fact that Depay isn't good enough to play for United.
Lingard is good enough to be a squad player rotating with our other young(er) wing talent
Amazing there is still support for Depay, he can't dribble, has poor decision making, doesn't even has dazzling pace to make up for it, can't press effectively. When he played as a striker I thought there was some thing in there for him especially when he scored in the first half but it was downhill after that.
While Lingard can't dribble and is shit as finishing, he is certainly useful in everything else that makes him a decent squad option.
While Lingard can't dribble and is shit as finishing, he is certainly useful in everything else that makes him a decent squad option.
I'd rather give the 'manc' academy player who scored the winning goal in the F.A cup final every chance to succeed at United then that useless pile of shite who has done literally nothing since he's been here.
Hopefully at another club.
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Look let's not deny Memphis doesn't have potential because he's not playing well right now or being selected in the team. There's a reason why the likes of PSG and Bayern wanted him too along with us. Even Mou has said now he may have a future in our team. He could end up being a class player if he gets his confidence back.
The 2 wide forward/winger spots on the left are taken up by Martial, Rashford, plus Rooney at a push can play there. There is no room in the squad for him. United are just waiting for an acceptable bid to come in for him. Bashing Lingard, a squad player, a local lad who scored a goal that won United their first trophy for the first time in 3 years, to defend Depay and his performances, defy's logic.
A fact you say? Any chance you can look up the winning lottery tickets with that crystal ball you have?
I also said his finishing has improved greatfully and his vision is good in my original post and you said you disagreed with them all, you must not have watched him in the last 12 months.
He hit a barn door at Wembley not so long ago. What has Depay done in the last year that Lingard hasn't? Got more tattoos?
I don't think either will be first choice in years to come but if I had to choose I would go for Lingard for his commitment in games. Lingard will be a good team player, popping up with few important goals in the season i.e. Chelsea or fa cup final. Whereas all i would remember depay for is cut in and try to shoot 10 times a game.
I watched him miss an open net around 10 days ago. So I'd disagree his finishing has improved. Still a huge weak point of his game.
I've seen some of the greatest players in world football miss an open net, that doesn't define a player.
He is clearly bang right out of form, and you're going to associate that with his ability, which is pretty naive
No, it doesn't. But when Lingard's finishing ability is already pretty poor, he can be judged on that. Even the biggest Lingard supporters on here would tell you that his finishing is probably the weakest point to his game.
That chance he had maybe half a second to respond. That was not about finishing ability. At that moment going in was more about luck.
His finishing is terrible.
He's capable of scoring the odd screamer but in general he misses some absolute sitters. Very similar to Welbeck actually.
He's capable of scoring the odd screamer but in general he misses some absolute sitters. Very similar to Welbeck actually.
I refuse to believe we would pay him that much.
That would be surreal. He's not very good
Congratulations Jesse!
That would work out at £1million per non-crap performance. Just as well he's a £25k/week squad player.
Hopefully this is a WUM
Good move if true. He's been on some ridiculously low wage before this so its well deserved.
A good move to give an average squad player almost a hundred grand a week? We're still paying the price for giving other squad players ridiculously high wages.
He's obviously not an average squad player if we are investing several more years in his career. Its clear that the club and Mourinho rate him and are rewarding the player with a longer term deal.
A hundred grand a week is hardly some sort of outrageously high wage, especially as we're unloading nearly 200k/wk by getting rid of Schneiderlin and Depay and continue to pay a combined 310k/wk for Schweinsteiger and Ashley Young to not play at all.
So you think he should earn more than Rojo, Jones, Smalling, Bailly, Darmian, Shaw, Carrick, Valencia, Martial, Fellaini, Blind, Herrera, Rashford
The world really has gone mad
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