[Djemba-Djemba]

Whatever you think of his overall ability I can think we can all agree his finishing in general is fecking terrible.

He misses absolute sitters.

 

[Giggsforever]

Worst player to get a run in the team since Gibson. No reason he should play while the likes of Rashford, Mata and Martial are fit.

I have no idea what he's meant to bring to the team. Him and Fellaini do nothing but interupt the flow of our play. He'll be at a club like Stoke within two years, no doubt about it.

Also yes, he is the worst player in the squad. He's not a teenage prodigy as some like to think, he's a thoroughly average player coming into his peak years.

I fell so as well. On Norwegian TV we even had two experienced managers in studio a while back that made a segment on how Lingard interrupt the flow of our game. That combined with clear limitations in his skill set is the reasons I don't rate him and it makes me frustrated to see him start matches (at least when we are going to have a hard fight for a champions league spot). I don't think he interrupt our game as bad as Fellaini, but those two are in a league of their own in that regard.

 

[Bojan11]

Has anyone told @Grunge that Lingard is 24?

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

I still absolutely don't understand what is the point of Lingard and what he exactly offers to be a player of Man United.

On the other side, I was pretty sure that he won't ever make it here (said that in Caf a couple of years ago), and clearly I have been proven wrong. Both LVG and Mourinho seem to like him and both know much more about football than me, so clearly I am not rating him as much as I should, but still it is a very curious thing from my point of view. He looks to me like those nameless players that play for some random team and that you forget about their existence the moment the match is over. Sure, they have occasionally flashes of brilliance but most of the time are 4-6/10 players.

I would rate him somewhere between Cleverley and Welbeck, but then I always said that neither of them is good enough for us.

This is where I'm at too, the curious case of Jesse Lingard.

Wellbeck for me was the definition of a squad player, plenty of quality but just not good enough to be a regular starter. I just don't see if with Lingard at all, would take Wellbeck over him every single day of the week.

He's better than the likes of Cleverley though for sure.

 

[Grunge]

Has anyone told @Grunge that Lingard is 24?

And most people believe players reach their peak at what, 26 to 28 or so?
So yes, imo he's still "young" and still has a lot to learn but he has shown moments of excellence which justify his team appearances. I think he can & will continue to improve with the coaching he's getting now & the experienced players around him. If not, fair enough, off he goes but I for one am not giving up on him yet. Don't get me wrong though, there will not be room for him if Rashford keeps playing like he did for 30 minutes today and Martial can repeat his Boxing day performance every game.

 

[Andy_Cole]

Saw him out drinking last week. Definitely had a few shots. Wasn't happy with what I saw but then again he didn't get on the pitch vs Middlesbrough.

 

[Scholesy]

He's better than the likes of Cleverley though for sure.

Cleverley is twice the player of Lingard

 

[r0663664]

Lingard just not XI material. He pops up with a goal here and there or assist but generally, no impact on the game. I don't think he should ever start in front of Rushford or Martial. I just see him a united player, just an average player.

 

[SirScholes]

That brilliant players like Ibrahimovic and Mkhitaryan were just as bad? Seems a pretty decent mitigation to me.



Thank you.

But they weren't as bad, which was the original point so it's not really

 

[SirScholes]

Lingard, Navas, Delph, Clichy, Sagna, Mikel, Loftus-Cheek, Zouma, Mertesacker, Perez, Jenkinson, Sanogo, Elneny, Welbeck, Moreno, Sakho, Wijnaldum, Lucus, Can, Ings... Everyone outside of Spurs' first XI.

Every team has players who you wouldn't want starting every game, but who will be useful throughout the season. His FA Cup goal isn't something he'll produce even semi regularly but it's an example of his use.

I'm just happy that what should be our backup attacker is a hard working younger player who is on a relatively modest salary. Throughout the season his minutes will be reduced as other players prove themselves more important (although his work ethic will always be useful to a Mourinho team).

I'm all for improving the squad, but there are several players who we need to shift before even thinking about upgrading Lingard (Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Fellaini, Rooney, Depay, Young).

I agree we have bigger issues in the squad before shippping him out.
But if those you mentioned at the beginning he is amongst the worst of that lot

 

[SirScholes]

Somebody who is better qualified to judge just seems to have a better opinion of him than most of you so called fans - the manager. About 90 % of posts in this thread are from people who don't have a fecking clue about football and never will - the closest you ever get is the wrong end of your 105 " screens - in 3 yrs time half of you will be supporting the Chinese superleague - why don't you feck off right now.

Meltdown

 

[Brightonian]

But they weren't as bad, which was the original point so it's not really

They were close enough as to make it pretty daft to single Jesse out.

 

[SirScholes]

I didn't say he was but I thought people layed in to him excessively in the match thread(and it's not the first time), like that performance in the first half was all down to him.

Of course he isn't our best winger, but Rashford and Martial haven't shown much more than him this season.

Sorry buddy I wasn't trying to be a douche was a joke, I didn't think you were saying he was

Not quite been a level playing field for those two tho I'd argue, rashford isn't a winger and is still a teenager.

Martial seems to have off the field problems or had anyway. When martial plays well he is dropped for a player a lot of people don't have much faith in.

 

[SirScholes]

They were close enough as to make it pretty daft to single Jesse out.

Zlatan had zero service mhiki was trying the right things.
Lingard wasnt doing anything,at all

 

[surf]

He's worth his place in the squad. Better than Memphis, Young and arguably Rooney too nowadays, not as good as Miki, Mata, Martial and Marcus. Also, he is relatively inexperienced for 24 and so probably has a bit more improvement in him yet.

 

[Jonno]

Blimey lots of negativity here towards Lingard.

I think he is a very good player, he isn't really in form right now but of course when a player is out of form, 50 percent of fans start claiming that player has no ability and wants them sold.

He has lots of ability, I love his direct play, he's fast, great acceleration, has improved his finishing, has good vision. All the things you want from a winger / inside forward.

He's also a former academy player, home grown and I don't see any harm in having him here for the next 5-10 years even if he stays at the level he's at now.

He will get better though, he's still only 24 and has his best years ahead of him.

 

[Tiber]

I still think if he wasnt from the acdamy he would be about as popular as Ashley Young

Good lad, gives his all but if he really good enough?

Had no business starting ahead of Mata.

 

[Baxter]

Blimey lots of negativity here towards Lingard.

I think he is a very good player, he isn't really in form right now but of course when a player is out of form, 50 percent of fans start claiming that player has no ability and wants them sold.

He has lots of ability, I love his direct play, he's fast, great acceleration, has improved his finishing, has good vision. All the things you want from a winger / inside forward.

He's also a former academy player, home grown and I don't see any harm in having him here for the next 5-10 years even if he stays at the level he's at now.

He will get better though, he's still only 24 and has his best years ahead of him.

Agreed. He's never going to be a star but he's well worth his place in the squad.

 

[SATA]

Get Adnan back at the club next season and loan this guy out. I still have hopes he can be a late bloomer and besides, he's Pogba good mate

 

[Freak]

He's just not good enough to be a starter for us. Doesn't offer anything attacking wise that you should see him starting ahead of mata or Rashford.

 

[Raoul]

Get Adnan back at the club next season and loan this guy out. I still have hopes he can be a late bloomer and besides, he's Pogba good mate

He's already been loaned out to 4 clubs. He was brought back here for a good reason by LvG and kept on by Mourinho.

 

[Raoul]

What a load of codswallop, You have to be blind not to see that Lingard is just not good enough

Mourinho, who knows a thing or two about these things, obviously disagrees with you since he has repeatedly used him this year.

 

[finneh]

I agree we have bigger issues in the squad before shippping him out.
But if those you mentioned at the beginning he is amongst the worst of that lot

I actually disagree. I'd say in terms of backup players for the top teams he's pretty good.

The issue is he's getting more minutes than he naturally would due to Martial/Mkhitaryan/Rashford having awful starts to the season. However now that they all seem to be hitting a vein of form I fully expect his minutes to reduce to a normal level.

Again though his work rate suits a Mourinho team, so he'll always be useful to have around. Would someone like Willian be a much better option? Of course, but no team has 20 brilliant players.

 

[Scholesy]

He can't beat a defender.
Can't tackle.
Can't head.
Average finishing.
Average crossing.
Good dribbling.

I just don't think he is great at anything and is like playing with 10 men.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

Because we play better when he's not in the team
He's going to live the rest of his career here because he scored a goal in the Cup Final ?

Exactly. Some people are clinging on that goal for dear life to cover over the fact he just hasn't been good enough.

Every week I wonder if this will be the last time he will be picked to start but then Jose continues to pick him for some strange reason, beats me that.

Even the biggest Lingard fans cannot hide the fact we play so much better without him in the side. If we are truly aspiring to be a league winning side down the line then the likes of Lingard shouldn't be in the team. The fact people are DISRESPECTING Park Ji-Sung by comparing this guy to him is crazy.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

Blimey lots of negativity here towards Lingard.

I think he is a very good player, he isn't really in form right now but of course when a player is out of form, 50 percent of fans start claiming that player has no ability and wants them sold.

He has lots of ability, I love his direct play, he's fast, great acceleration, has improved his finishing, has good vision. All the things you want from a winger / inside forward.

He's also a former academy player, home grown and I don't see any harm in having him here for the next 5-10 years even if he stays at the level he's at now.

He will get better though, he's still only 24 and has his best years ahead of him.

I think you must be watching a different guy because the one i've watched for the last 18 months has been completely opposite to this, Barring about 4 - 5 games.

 

[SirScholes]

I actually disagree. I'd say in terms of backup players for the top teams he's pretty good.

The issue is he's getting more minutes than he naturally would due to Martial/Mkhitaryan/Rashford having awful starts to the season. However now that they all seem to be hitting a vein of form I fully expect his minutes to reduce to a normal level.

Again though his work rate suits a Mourinho team, so he'll always be useful to have around. Would someone like Willian be a much better option? Of course, but no team has 20 brilliant players.

That's fair enough, I agree about the minutes and that's where most people on this thread seem to be in agreement.
I agree we can't have 20 brilliant players.
Would be nice if the backs ups were atleast good ha
Anyways a win is a win, on to Liverpool!

 

[izzydiggler]

He's simply not a player you want playing many games if you want to be challenging for titles and up against the finest in Europe.

If you are fighting for 4th - 7th place then OK but it's pretty clear he isn't a 'top' player. As a squad player he's not too bad but an over reliance on squad players has been a large reason why we fell from one of Europe's best to...

Seems to me it's just the same argument that has come hundreds of times before it - Gibson, Cleverley et al...players that start out as "great prospects" but slowly become "good squad players". They end up leaving and not one person would buy them back after they've seen the greener grass. Pretty certain Lingard will be one of those relatively soon.

 

[soapythecat]

His finishing is frustrating. I can see why JM likes him and keeps selecting him, because he offers something that I think a younger Ashley Young could give him....but can't, pace and work rate.
Even though he starts frequently, I think his days will be numbered in the summer as JM will chase a player in the ilk of Willian to play in his place.

 

[as-95]

Mourinho, who knows a thing or two about these things, obviously disagrees with you since he has repeatedly used him this year.

This is the same old argument being banded around on here and it is getting boring to read. Mourinho is the same manager who insisted on starting Fellaini at the start of the season whilst freezing out Carrick. Does that also mean that Fellaini is good enough for us?

Fellaini being replaced by Carrick made a world of difference to our side and Martial/Rashford replacing Lingard has transformed us over the last 2 games too.

It is clear to most fans that we look much better with Lingard out of the team and it was just as clear how much better we looked without Fellaini. The manager will have seen it too and it is likely that Lingard wont be starting any time soon at all. Hopefully the beginning of the end for him.

 

[as-95]

He can't beat a defender.
Can't tackle.
Can't head.
Average finishing.
Average crossing.
Good dribbling.

I just don't think he is great at anything and is like playing with 10 men.

Disagree on "good dribbling". Whilst fast with the ball at his feet, he has poor close control and doesn't have the ability to beat his man on the wing. Not a good dribbler at all.

I despise Lingard, but he does have good movement. Thats pretty much all he offers. He is below par in almost all other aspects of his game

 

[Massive Spanner]

Disagree on "good dribbling". Whilst fast with the ball at his feet, he has poor close control and doesn't have the ability to beat his man on the wing. Not a good dribbler at all.

I despise Lingard, but he does have good movement. Thats pretty much all he offers. He is below par in almost all other aspects of his game

I don't rate Lingard, I certainly don't think he's good enough for Man Utd and, like Cleverley, would never have gotten here if he wasn't a youth product. But why would you possibly despise him? He's a hard working local lad who always tries his best on the pitch. Bizarre.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Mourinho, who knows a thing or two about these things, obviously disagrees with you since he has repeatedly used him this year.

I disagree with Mourinho, although we don't know all the reasons behind these decisions other than Memphis has problems, Mkhi was given time to adapt, Martial personal problems and adapting to Mourinho's plan, Rashford as he's so young.

Now that Martial and Mkhi are back see absolutely no reason for Lingard ever to start again in the PL other than in dire emergency. An odd sub appearance and a few cup games against lower opposition maybe if he's to remain a squad player.

Our level of play drops so much when he's in the team and little benefit from his presence.
We can have a 25 man squad of over 21s , we don't need to have such a reduced quality player in the squad, we can afford a much better quality back-up.

I have nothing personal against him, but he's not the quality we need or can afford, I hope he has a successful career, just not here, I'd be very surprised if he's still here next season.

I've been supporting United for an eternity and struggle to think of a player who has regular starts of such low quality

 

[JJ12]

Cleverley is twice the player of Lingard

No he is not

 

[Janson]

Sorry buddy I wasn't trying to be a douche was a joke, I didn't think you were saying he was

Not quite been a level playing field for those two tho I'd argue, rashford isn't a winger and is still a teenager.

Martial seems to have off the field problems or had anyway. When martial plays well he is dropped for a player a lot of people don't have much faith in.

No worries. I think we can all agree that on form, our other wingers should be ahead of him. But there are certain circumstances that has led to the situtation we have today and we don't know what they are showing in training to affect Mourinhos decisions.

 

[Grunge]

Get Adnan back at the club next season and loan this guy out. I still have hopes he can be a late bloomer and besides, he's Pogba good mate

it certainly looks like Moyes is getting a bit more out of Januzaj. Maybe the lad is finally maturing & showing a little more of the promise we all hoped for. I do like what he's been re[ported saying in the local papers

"David Moyes's side welcome Liverpool to the Stadium of Light this afternoon, and Januzaj has suggested that they will look to pull off a "surprise" against the title-chasers"

"We know that we can still win the game if we play to our best in front of our own fans. In football, anything can happen. We will not give Liverpool an easy game – we know what is required. We will be playing at home, we have great fans so we will be looking to play for them and to surprise Liverpool."

How prophetic!

 

[Mike09]

He was passive yesterday although he tried harder to win the ball back many times. I don't know if it's because he had a bad game or our midfielders was too slow to utilise his run. Normally Lingard is so good with his movement and run but we or he didn't utilise it yesterday.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Great player to have in the squad but I doubt Mou sees him as a long term starter. He seems ok but not spectacular at everything - like an upgraded Jesus Navas - but obviously young so maybe he will prove me wrong!

 

[SirScholes]

No worries. I think we can all agree that on form, our other wingers should be ahead of him. But there are certain circumstances that has led to the situtation we have today and we don't know what they are showing in training to affect Mourinhos decisions.

This is true

 

[NoPace]

I'm still assuming this is our likeliest front group next year:

-------------------Ibra(Rashford)--------
Mkhitaryan(Martial)---------Griezmann(Mata)

and then Lingard as the 7th man covering the front 3 positions, Januzaj on loan again at a better club and Rooney and Memphis sold elsewhere, the latter as soon as next month. Obviously Griezmann could be replaced by another wide attacker if we can't get him, and Mata will get some minutes as the most attacking CM like he did today.

So if Lingard is fine being the 7th man for 3 spots, then I think he will be here until a youth player like Gomez makes it in a couple seasons(is he still the likeliest, people watching the youth? Boonen?).