Easily worst player on our team. At one point I actually thought replacing him with Fellaini was a good idea
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Rashford did more in 3 minutes than Lingard in 55.
His movement which is usually his biggest asset, was actually very poor today.
you could tell that ppl were just waiting for him to have a game like that, he wasn't even that poor, pretty ineffective but that horrible miss.. he fell asleep, he's gonna win us another fa cup don't worry
Thought he was bang average today, dunno what the future holds for him when Mourinho get's the full squad he want's.
Far too much slating of his young lad today. He, Rashford & to slightly lesser degree Martial, are three boys U-21 who may well go on to have superstar careers & if they do hopefully they'll be at United!
At this point in their career's they can each be accused of being very naiive in the way they play due in large part to inexperience. There were games last year when LVG had no choice but to play two or all three at the same time. Yes they are all very quick & they're very keen to show their stuff, but often, their indecision or just poor decision making caused all kinds of grief for the rest of the team. Those mistakes are happening less often but have by no means completely irradiated. Jose recognises this I think, and rarely plays them together and is simply looking for them to follow direction and make smarter decisions.
Lingard is growing a little more slowly perhaps but while Rashford had a wonderful 30 minutes today, most here would agree that his time has been limited for the same reasons Lingard's time will be limited. The same could be said of Martial.
All that said, we need these youngsters to get time on the pitch in order for them to grow. Certainly Lingard should have done better when he got that half chance today and probably should have hugged the sideline & taken on a FB who was there for the taking and overall didn't have his finest moments but he will learn from games like this.
Those of you trying to compare him at this stage of his career to other United players of the past is tough to do. We can look back to us getting Ronny & Nani as youngsters and while you might feel Nani was not great, he and Ronaldo have gone onto very successful careers. Don't forget, Nani is still a key player for his home country and they've done a bit better than England. If Lingard grows into a player like Nani you'll hear no complaints from me & if he doesn't hopefully we can get a few quid for him. End of.
At this point in their career's they can each be accused of being very naiive in the way they play due in large part to inexperience. There were games last year when LVG had no choice but to play two or all three at the same time. Yes they are all very quick & they're very keen to show their stuff, but often, their indecision or just poor decision making caused all kinds of grief for the rest of the team. Those mistakes are happening less often but have by no means completely irradiated. Jose recognises this I think, and rarely plays them together and is simply looking for them to follow direction and make smarter decisions.
Lingard is growing a little more slowly perhaps but while Rashford had a wonderful 30 minutes today, most here would agree that his time has been limited for the same reasons Lingard's time will be limited. The same could be said of Martial.
All that said, we need these youngsters to get time on the pitch in order for them to grow. Certainly Lingard should have done better when he got that half chance today and probably should have hugged the sideline & taken on a FB who was there for the taking and overall didn't have his finest moments but he will learn from games like this.
Those of you trying to compare him at this stage of his career to other United players of the past is tough to do. We can look back to us getting Ronny & Nani as youngsters and while you might feel Nani was not great, he and Ronaldo have gone onto very successful careers. Don't forget, Nani is still a key player for his home country and they've done a bit better than England. If Lingard grows into a player like Nani you'll hear no complaints from me & if he doesn't hopefully we can get a few quid for him. End of.
Lingard gets younger with every post that's written here...
Thought he did very well for a 15 year old. Boy's got talent.
We'd get more enjoyment from a good performance more than once every 5 games or so
He's 24.
As effective in attack as Cleverley is in midfield. We need to get rid asap.
@Grunge - Lingard is 24!
mostly I think because this wasn't a cup game, it was a big chance to catch Liverpool.
Everyone knew he had to stay wide and attack the bad full back and he bottled every chance or came inside.
@Grunge you do realise he is 24 right?
Of course, it was a poor game overall. But going forward he'll be coming off the bench which I think is when he presents a bigger threat and it means Martial, Mhiki, Mata & Rashford have to continually put in better performances - which helps the team overall.
Some common groundI'm sure you would. Happy with the win
Can't argue with that, I'd like to see him moved on if he can't improve eventually just as cleverly was but there are other areas that need addressing first
Lingard is not an under 21 son
I could've gone on a weeks fast food binge and then played better than Lingard today. He's capable of moments of magic, but bloody hell he can be average as feck
I'd like to hear which one of our starting attacking players were any better during the first 58 minutes?
All of them, non were good but all of them were better
You can argue that Lingard is a decent player. But if you compare him to Rashford and Martial...
I thought Zlatan was poor, well more tired, Mkhi didn't do anything of note either.
It seems the biggest misperception about Lingard is his age. Many seem to believe that he is the same as Rash and Martial...
Agreed, but Zlatan was starved of any service from the flank, mhiki didn't do much but it's the way he kept leaving his post or passes backwards without ever trying to take his man on.
We would of finished 0-0 if he remained, or worse
We would have finished 0-0 if Rashford (and Mata) hadn't come on - who they came on for is much less significant. Top1whoisman's right that the other two were nearly as ineffective.
Hope you posted in the Mkhi thread as well. Oh wait.
He didn't play 48 hours ago like the rest. He played against a makeshift fullback and had a few opportunities to make something happen in the first half but every time he chose the safe, backward route. He was a non entity. A front three needs threat from the left, as we saw from Martial against Boro and Rashford today. He doesn't come close to being a constant threat.
Micky created that chance for Valencia and Lingard and was better, even though he had an off day. Can't call this an off day from Lingard, he has to many of these.
Micky created that chance for Valencia and Lingard and was better, even though he had an off day. Can't call this an off day from Lingard, he has to many of these.
I don't think he's capable of being an impact player...You need an impact player in situations where you need to chase the result and he is completely invisible in games where opposing team plays like West Ham today. He can be somewhat useful when there's some space to exploit (assist for Zlatan at WBA comes in mind) and that's it. For now he's good to have as a squad player but long term he should improve to justify that too or get improved on otherwise.
His performance was no worse than that of Mkhi, both were required to do the same job and both failed. It's a shame that so many fans in the forum give him stick because he's a decent player who has come up with some important goals for us (remember the FA Cup final last season?) His movement off the ball is his biggest asset but he does have an eye for goal as well, although he can be a bit prone to missing a few sitters at times.
Pathetic performance. Just provides further evidence to my earlier statements. He was terrible today. An absolute non entity in attack. Couldn't beat his man to save his own life. Missed an open goal too. Needs to be benched and then sold to relegation fodder.
Lingard is clearly squad player level, and was poor today, but he general criticism of him in here is extreme. He's a good player, not 'average' - and isn't the worst player in our squad.
Missed the match where was he playing? Left or right?
He played exactly as he usually does
Never takes anyone on, passes the ball backwards continuously, committed 5 fouls and didn't tackle anyone, positional sense abysmal, clogs up the attack, we look like an LvG team when he plays.
If someone says he put in a shift or was decent or made some runs, he didn't.
Rashford did more in the first minute or two than Lingard did all match.
One thing I ask of Jose, please never start him in a PL match again unless you're absolutely desperate.
Never takes anyone on, passes the ball backwards continuously, committed 5 fouls and didn't tackle anyone, positional sense abysmal, clogs up the attack, we look like an LvG team when he plays.
If someone says he put in a shift or was decent or made some runs, he didn't.
Rashford did more in the first minute or two than Lingard did all match.
One thing I ask of Jose, please never start him in a PL match again unless you're absolutely desperate.
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You tell me
I think that's a tad harsh. I'm not a particularly big fan of Lingard and I don't think he should be a regular starter in this team. However, saying he should be sold to relegation fodder is somewhat harsh on Lingard. I'd say he's mid-table quality, not relegation-fodder level/ Championship level.
I got news for you buddy..
you getting Jesse and Rashford mixed up again
I could have sworn when we was getting subbed off the commentator said "he still only 19 and it's very easy for people to forget that". Obviously I should know better anyway.
Very average player. Cleverly level
WH would tire anyway, we would have won but different way
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