Lingarrd is a good squad player to have. But hes not a first starter, not for man utd anyway.
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For a squad level player he sure does get called upon often, and in favour of Mata, Rashford and Martial. Martial was coming of the game of his season, and Rashford and Mata had come on and really done well against Boro. He really is average considering the other options and the signs of improvement in their form.
And if you insist on starting him, don't pair him with Darmian. The left flank of Darmian and Lingard was never going to work out. Both of them have the first instinct of going backwards.
Which is absolutely zero defence for him being our worst attacker, again
They were talking about marcus
It's like Rooney all over again. "But but but, [insert player] was just as bad!"
Aye, they said Rasford was only 19 when he was replacing Lingard.
Doesn't seem to work so well on the left as he does on the right. He's too irregular, that doesn't help. Still think he's very useful in some games, where his dynamism and speed can help.
That brilliant players like Ibrahimovic and Mkhitaryan were just as bad? Seems a pretty decent mitigation to me.
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is that you Jesse?
I keep seeing it said that he's a good squad player. A good squad player should be able to slot in and cover for the incumbent without any major issues. How's Lingard a good squad player when he's always hauled off after 60 Minutes for being ineffective?
I still absolutely don't understand what is the point of Lingard and what he exactly offers to be a player of Man United.
On the other side, I was pretty sure that he won't ever make it here (said that in Caf a couple of years ago), and clearly I have been proven wrong. Both LVG and Mourinho seem to like him and both know much more about football than me, so clearly I am not rating him as much as I should, but still it is a very curious thing from my point of view. He looks to me like those nameless players that play for some random team and that you forget about their existence the moment the match is over. Sure, they have occasionally flashes of brilliance but most of the time are 4-6/10 players.
I would rate him somewhere between Cleverley and Welbeck, but then I always said that neither of them is good enough for us.
On the other side, I was pretty sure that he won't ever make it here (said that in Caf a couple of years ago), and clearly I have been proven wrong. Both LVG and Mourinho seem to like him and both know much more about football than me, so clearly I am not rating him as much as I should, but still it is a very curious thing from my point of view. He looks to me like those nameless players that play for some random team and that you forget about their existence the moment the match is over. Sure, they have occasionally flashes of brilliance but most of the time are 4-6/10 players.
I would rate him somewhere between Cleverley and Welbeck, but then I always said that neither of them is good enough for us.
Lingard games started below and score when he is subbed off or game ends (if he wasn't subbed off)
City...1-2
Leiceister...4-1
Zorya...0-0
Stoke...0-0
Fener...4-0
Chelsea...0-3
Burnley...0-0
West Ham...1-1
WBA...2-0
Sunderland...1-1
West Ham...0-0
3 wins in 11 when he is on the pitch.
6 draws against Zorya, Stoke, Burnley, WHx2 and Sunderland. 5 of these were at home also. We could not take the lead over these teams when Lingard was on the pitch.
City...1-2
Leiceister...4-1
Zorya...0-0
Stoke...0-0
Fener...4-0
Chelsea...0-3
Burnley...0-0
West Ham...1-1
WBA...2-0
Sunderland...1-1
West Ham...0-0
3 wins in 11 when he is on the pitch.
6 draws against Zorya, Stoke, Burnley, WHx2 and Sunderland. 5 of these were at home also. We could not take the lead over these teams when Lingard was on the pitch.
youth product and local lad secures his sqaud player status. Fine with me, as long as he does not expect any more than that.
I didn't say he was but I thought people layed in to him excessively in the match thread(and it's not the first time), like that performance in the first half was all down to him.
Of course he isn't our best winger, but Rashford and Martial haven't shown much more than him this season.
He has a part to play as we get back to somewhere like where we need/want to be. Park, O'Shea, Ando, Evans, Nani, Chicarito, Fletcher et. al all played some part in our successes without ever really looking like being a permanent starter. No team is made up of 11 galacticos. Admittedly Rashford was a game changer but Lingard is not the waste of a shirt some on here make him out to be-Cup Final anyone?
Give it time, all will rise or sink to their natural position but in the meantime give credit where it is due.
Give it time, all will rise or sink to their natural position but in the meantime give credit where it is due.
Definitely better than him
That is fine, but for whatever reasons he is getting more chances than Rashford, Martial and Mata (consider that he was injured for a month), which is kind of weird. He's easily the worst of our attacking players not counting Rooney and Young who seem to be finished here.
This. I don't think IV seen him have one game good on the left but plenty on the right & sometimes centrally
But he is not in the level of those players you mentioned. Herrera is probably in the level of Park, Nani, Hernandez and Fletcher, Lingard isn't.
He surely is better than Anderson after Anderson got fat, I don't think that he is on O'Shea level and also not in the level of Evans (bar his last shock horror season). Which leaves only Ando from you list.
Too many fans use squad player to describe a player's use when he is not good enough. "So he isn't good enough to start but its ok...he'll be fine as a squad player"... Lingard is versatile which is a bonus but he has no quality to play for United. He offers almost nothing.
homegrown helps us hit our quota requirements - thats his contribution!
Homegrown with quality is whats needed
Lingard is what to do when we don't have that quality in the ranks!
If we sign a player with quality from another club, does that count as homegrown?
Barkley for example, or do they need to have been trained at United?
Bollocks. Workrate down the right hand side and is capable of popping up with a goal or assist from time to time.
Yes, he should have scored that but it happens to the best of players. Personally, I think he should be more of a CAM/SS than a winger for us.
It's a shame that he doesn't get the credit he deserves. He is 23 but he's a late bloomer and it feels like I'm watching a 19 year old. When he hits 26/27, he'll be great for us I reckon. Plus all the players seem to like him which is a plus in itself, you need people like him in the dressing room to boost morale and keep people in good spirits.
Somebody who is better qualified to judge just seems to have a better opinion of him than most of you so called fans - the manager. About 90 % of posts in this thread are from people who don't have a fecking clue about football and never will - the closest you ever get is the wrong end of your 105 " screens - in 3 yrs time half of you will be supporting the Chinese superleague - why don't you feck off right now.
No they don't need to come through United's ranks, none of Liverpool's or City's HGP were brought through their ranks
In fairness, the point of this forum is to discuss and give opinions on our club, and football in general.
I'm sure they are very sorry if they offended you Mrs Lingard.
No I think they can come from any domestic club.
What a load of codswallop, You have to be blind not to see that Lingard is just not good enough
The 'I am a better fan than you' comments historically beat people in the arse. Just do a dig in Cleverley or David Moyes thread.
Alternately, continue like this and you might become Wumminater's heir.
I support Lingard but he just isn't good enough for United
Lingard, Navas, Delph, Clichy, Sagna, Mikel, Loftus-Cheek, Zouma, Mertesacker, Perez, Jenkinson, Sanogo, Elneny, Welbeck, Moreno, Sakho, Wijnaldum, Lucus, Can, Ings... Everyone outside of Spurs' first XI.
Every team has players who you wouldn't want starting every game, but who will be useful throughout the season. His FA Cup goal isn't something he'll produce even semi regularly but it's an example of his use.
I'm just happy that what should be our backup attacker is a hard working younger player who is on a relatively modest salary. Throughout the season his minutes will be reduced as other players prove themselves more important (although his work ethic will always be useful to a Mourinho team).
I'm all for improving the squad, but there are several players who we need to shift before even thinking about upgrading Lingard (Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Fellaini, Rooney, Depay, Young).
Every team has players who you wouldn't want starting every game, but who will be useful throughout the season. His FA Cup goal isn't something he'll produce even semi regularly but it's an example of his use.
I'm just happy that what should be our backup attacker is a hard working younger player who is on a relatively modest salary. Throughout the season his minutes will be reduced as other players prove themselves more important (although his work ethic will always be useful to a Mourinho team).
I'm all for improving the squad, but there are several players who we need to shift before even thinking about upgrading Lingard (Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Fellaini, Rooney, Depay, Young).
He was not good at all today. But I dont think he has good games when he plays on the left anyway, cos he doesnt use his left foot. Think we should have pushed him over to the right after the sending off and tell him to keep the width (should have made that change in the City match too). He just doesnt look comfy on this side at all.
But still no excuses for why he kept leaving the wing to cut into a crowded area making it easier to defend. Rashford had more impact than him there.
But still no excuses for why he kept leaving the wing to cut into a crowded area making it easier to defend. Rashford had more impact than him there.
Worst player to get a run in the team since Gibson. No reason he should play while the likes of Rashford, Mata and Martial are fit.
I have no idea what he's meant to bring to the team. Him and Fellaini do nothing but interupt the flow of our play. He'll be at a club like Stoke within two years, no doubt about it.
Also yes, he is the worst player in the squad. He's not a teenage prodigy as some like to think, he's a thoroughly average player coming into his peak years.
I have no idea what he's meant to bring to the team. Him and Fellaini do nothing but interupt the flow of our play. He'll be at a club like Stoke within two years, no doubt about it.
Also yes, he is the worst player in the squad. He's not a teenage prodigy as some like to think, he's a thoroughly average player coming into his peak years.
Some of you are so harsh. He was shit today but is a useful squad player. Only recently against West Brom he was really good.
Why is he useful when our win rate when he is on the pitch is 27%, that is relegation form
I like Lingard, makes a good squad player, but he's not being used like one. He shouldn't have started this game, Mata or Martial should start if they're both fit.
He's far too inconsistent though, he had a really good game, then two poor games back to back. He's 24, hardly a kid anymore and he should be showing more consistency. IMO he drifts out of games too much, it was so easy to forget he was even playing today.
Rashord did more in 3 minutes. Mata showed classed too. Not good enough today.
He's far too inconsistent though, he had a really good game, then two poor games back to back. He's 24, hardly a kid anymore and he should be showing more consistency. IMO he drifts out of games too much, it was so easy to forget he was even playing today.
Rashord did more in 3 minutes. Mata showed classed too. Not good enough today.
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