Yup fully agree. I feel most of his best stuff has come from off the bench. I didn't see the game yesterday, but I feel when he starts, he doesn't offer near enough over the course of 90 minutes to be considered a starter. He's far more effective as an impact player and that should be his role in the team. I guess others in his position haven't gotten much of a chance / have failed to impress, so he will probably continue to get plenty more starts even though we need much better players starting.
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Yup fully agree. I feel most of his best stuff has come from off the bench. I didn't see the game yesterday, but I feel when he starts, he doesn't offer near enough over the course of 90 minutes to be considered a starter. He's far more effective as an impact player and that should be his role in the team. I guess others in his position haven't gotten much of a chance / have failed to impress, so he will probably continue to get plenty more starts even though we need much better players starting.
He did ok yesterday but he needs to start scoring goals in the league now in fairness I'd include Martial, Rooney & Rashford in that too. He's getting in good positions but has to improve his finishing. He is pushed off the ball far too easily too but I'm not sure that is going to change given his shape. He's scored 3 goals in other competitions this season and they've been good goals so don't see why he can't do it; Unfortunately for him apart nearly every other attacking player is struggling in front of goal in the league and Lingard is always one of the first to get criticised.
He's never going to be close to a world class player but I think he's capable of becoming a useful squad player for many years to come.
He's never going to be close to a world class player but I think he's capable of becoming a useful squad player for many years to come.
I hate comments like this in 'player performance' threads. Have you looked at other threads recently? Rashford, Rooney, Martial, Zlatan, Mata etc are constantly criticised too.
I didn't see yesterdays game and most of the ratings for Lingard from various sites seem to be about a 6 or so which is pretty meh really. He has hardly been berated in here since yesterday either, most are saying he done alright but doesn't offer enough end product. I think that's a fair enough assessment as we need attacking players with a far greater output than what Lingard has offered to-date.
Lingard is labelled not United quality by plenty of fans but you will not ever hear that said of those other players named.
So what? Every single player performance thread on here has wildly extreme views. He's not in a minority in that respect.
how wasn't he right, at the time de Bruyne wasn't up to it and Oscar was great, he won the title, ppl should wake up
He is.
You don't hear that Rooney and Ibrahimovic aren't good enough? Really? Even Rashford and Martial have had a lot of stick this season.
People aren't critiquing Lingard for any reason other than they don't think he's good enough, which is a perfectly valid opinion.
only sums up this thread and how people hate him for no reason, ppl like you just like to pick the occasional wrong moment of a player's performance instead of praising for the good things. It's so dull. Zlatan was offside million times and noone gives a shit. If we won the game and we simply havent converted our chances, we would certainly consider Lingard's performance as good, as he was good
They hate him for one reason or another. If the cult hero Mkhitaryan had a similar performance with the same stats they'd have voted him MOTM.
You have a point with Zlatan although I haven't read too much of the thread on him. Rooney is miles away from the player his is and is coming towards the end and thoroughly deserves the grief he gets whilst with Lingard its unfair.
It's not extreme for people to think Lingard isn't good enough while the others are though is it? That's the point of a forum, to discuss feelings. Some feel he isn't good enough to start, me included. Don't see anything wrong with that at all. Not everyone is going to be Cristiano Ronaldo unfortunately.
it's always like that Mhykitaryan over Lingard, Martial over Rashford, Bailly or Van Dijk over Smalling, how can you ppl hate some of our players so much
and prefer others when they are not better or havent performed as good so them so far... had MickyT had the game Lingard had and Lingard played like Mhykitaryan ppl would absolutely praise Micky like you said and called Lingard average and that's how I saw it with Lingard being a better one out of the two obviouslyit's always like that Mhykitaryan over Lingard, Martial over Rashford, Bailly or Van Dijk over Smalling, how can you ppl hate some of our players so much
See, these agenda posts are the worst. When Lingard was playing well at the start of the season he got the praise he rightfully deserved. You sometimes have to call a spade a spade though. If he isn't performing then people have a right to criticise.
He really isn't.
it's always like that Mhykitaryan over Lingard, Martial over Rashford, Bailly or Van Dijk over Smalling, how can you ppl hate some of our players so much
Notice how quite they were when he scored in midweek? It would be the same if one of his three attempts against West Ham went in. They are making up any excuse to have a dig. Mkhitaryan had 2 attempts in midweek against Fyenoord and none of them hit the target. Lingard on the other hand had three, forcing two saves and one hitting the back of the net. Even against West Ham he worked the keeper twice, but Mkhitaryan was supposedly better and made the team 'more fluid' despite the second half being worse than the first offensive wise
Yes he is. He's apparently not good enough to start at all, thats not being said of the others. He's also childish because of his celebrations and social media activity. Have you read this thread? Please find me examples where the other players are being criticized for not being starting or United material period
Deluded. So he's the only player that receives extreme criticism on here? Absolute bollox. It's weird enough how much you defend him but stop making things up.
So fecking what if people find his celebration annoying? I find loads of FB fads etc extremely cringy and that dabbing stuff is pretty wank. I wouldn't hold it against him but I wouldn't blame people who mock him for it. No need to be so overly defensive. It's odd.
I also give a shit that Zlatan was offside (it's way too much for a lone striker and completely needless). I also slagged him off for not scoring due to his heavy touch when knocking the ball round the keeper... similarly, I had a pop at Pogba for overhitting two fairly simple through balls to Rashford - when a good pass would have had him in on goals.
In this vain, I'll also slag off Lingard for being pointlessly offside and thus not scoring a goal that he should have scored. We're dealing with fine margins at the moment... its not longer "it's not our day" or whatever bollocks. It's people not taking their chances. That was Lingards chance, thus he deserves criticism. Or do you think it's perfectly fine for our forwards to be ball watching whilst other people try to score? Mkhitaryan should have bloody scored in the first place (for which he can be criticised), but Lingard should be onside so the rebound counts. I'm not sure why anyone is appalled by this notion.
Its you who is deluded if you don't think some of the criticism on here is over the top. I've seen the same things said of players down the years like Park, Fletcher, Carrick, Fortune, O'shea, Brown, Smalling etc and i've always staunchly defended them. You can call me odd all day for fvcking sticking up for players
Erm can you read? Have I not stated that extreme opinions exist in pretty much every player performance thread? Oh wait, I have.
At least I can acknowledge when he plays well and also critique him when he plays poor. You're obsessive bias with him means that you appear to take any critique to heart and you seem obsessed with slagging off other players just to try and hype up Lingard. That's pretty hypocritical to be honest, not to mention how weird it is finding Youtube snippets of some passes from Lingard that aren't even anything special.
Which players have I slagged off in this thread? Obsessed with slagging off players you say. That's a bit too much. I think i've only mentioned Mkhitaryan and I didn't bring him up without providing some game statistics
You're a bit too much, to be honest. An utter hypocrite who trawls through this thread quoting anyone who doesn't share your opinions on Lingard and attempts (very poorly and usually backfires) to belittle their posts. It is odd, yes. How many times do you need to bring up fecking Mkhitaryan in here? But yeah, it's alright to constantly criticise him but no one dare speak a bad word about Lingard.
yeah I agree but his criticism now isn't really justified, he has palyed well last couple of games for the Club and England and so he deserved to start another one and he hasn't disappointed. Ppl like to go into extremes with their comments just to catch the eye, I also use hyperboles but I dont think Jesse deserves this kind of treasment, it's actually ridiculous.
I think over time even his biggest critics agreed on the fact that even though he's not a starter he is a nice little squad player to have, when to use him than now agaisnt poor WHU at home, after the little run of form he had, afte Micky only came back from injury and only performed on Thrusday against very poor Feyenord ( I remember Rooney was also good which is a indicator of how easy the game was, and we've seen it agaisn Brugge with Memphis and Wayne too) of course Mhykitaryan looked almost like hazard and people got excited, he's the new thing in the club a star of bundesliga etc...
ppl like to see those new exciting players to start, they want to see a change, a change to good. Martial also deserved to be benched or left out for his own good. For me perfec game for this SQUAD player Lingard to start and you know what? he certainyl wasnt worse than Mhikytaryan who was average and never had an impact like Lingard.. about time for posters to shut up but nooo they come up and again say things they keep saying regardless what we've seen. That's pathetic mate, and I am not pointing it at you but mostly at some extreme opinions or just stream of bullshit from some of the posters who are massively biased..
I reply to the bullshit posts and there's quite a few of them. The player is being singled out in my opinion. I haven't mentioned Mkhitaryan nearly as much as others in this thread if you bother to read more posts
A quick search sees that you have mentioned him 16 times. Odd that you have in a Lingard thread really.
Nah you reply to posts that don't agree with your opinions and go on a condescending rant; that's your usual modus operandi in here, anyway. It's obviously a pretty diverse forum and people will - shockingly, I know - have very differing opinions on players. There's plenty of balanced posts in here with a fair few saying he's a good squad player, and to me, that's a fair assessment, for now. I actually think you're by far and away one of the most belligerently bias posters in here who has no scope or ability to listen to other peoples views. Instead, you childishly attack their posts and act like you have some superior opinions on Lingard. The worst kind of agenda driven poster to be honest. In turn, you also attack other players (totally hypocritical to the shite you try to spread in here about people attacking Lingard). You also make out that he receives more criticism than others, which is actually a downright lie.
The general consensus is that he's a grand squad player - is in my opinion - the correct one. If you think he's great and should be starting every game, then so be it. We all see things differently but I'm not sure what you have seen to warrant the staunch, rigid views on him that you seem to have.
What is Lingard actually good at?
Knock off the personal arguments and keep the thread on topic please.
This is actually a good point, i still don't have an idea of his best position. He can have good games but for me he is largely anonymous in most games.
It seems to be a problem with how we develop academy players in recent years. Welbeck and Januzaj are another two players who are very good on the ball and well rounded in many aspects of the game but have never really nailed down a position.
Link up play, off the ball movement and work rate are all fairly good qualities from him. I get it you're annoyed but Lingard is not the player to blame for yesterday.
He is partly to blame as he didn't score/assist and gave away a free kick.
What is he good at when he has the ball? We sold a player like Nani who actually could do something when he had the ball
A shame that half of this forum could probably offer 2 of those qualities if they had the fitness of professional footballer.
This Nani myth is ridiculous
In his last season for us he scored 1 goal, no assists
The season before that he scored 3 goals, no assists
Yes he's done well in the Portugese & Turkish league, but what does that prove? Especially since he was on around 120k a week when he was with us.
He was often frustrating and definitely overrated by some on here. However, between 2010 and 2012 he was excellent.
I'm not saying he was a terrible player, I personally loved him.
But the years before we sold him he was a shadow of the player he once was, if he was in this side he'd have been ripped apart by our fans, he happened to be in a team that was regularly competing/winning titles so his form wasn't too much of a concern.
Nani was infinitely more talented and productive than Lingard. Felt he was mismanaged a little bit and suffered niggling injuries in his final 18 months.
Think it was more his extended break and international team reaching the euros final to be fair.
I don't see the link tbh. Martial barely played at the Euros while Pogba was one of the most used players in that tournament. One is playing much better than the other.
I like Jesse, he does everything fairly well but he doesn't excel at anything in particular.
Has he ever put in a good cross into the box apart from Rashfords goal against Arsenal? I feel for a wide player that particular part of his game is very poor. Whenever he or Valencia get down the side the ball ALWAYS hits the first defender, it's so frustrating.
Has he ever put in a good cross into the box apart from Rashfords goal against Arsenal? I feel for a wide player that particular part of his game is very poor. Whenever he or Valencia get down the side the ball ALWAYS hits the first defender, it's so frustrating.
Martial didn't get a full preseason and basically lost his place. Pogba has been played in every game.
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