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2016-17 Performances

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5.5 Season Average Rating
Appearances
42
Goals
5
Assists
4
Yellow cards
6
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Loublaze said:
If the crown fits. You're berating Lingard for his Burnley performance as if he did absolutely nothing yet he forced two saves out of Heaton (one a great save from a header) and was involved in good buildup play that should've led to at least one goal. According to your logic Mkhitaryan's performance against Hull which didn't even result in him making a single attempt at goal is much better than ANYTHING Lingard has done this season :wenger:
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Lingard is a very average footballer regardless of the stats this is what my eyes tell me. He's following the exact same pathway of Tom Cleverley. It's great to see youth coming through and get their chance but when they're not up to it they should be moved on. Lingard is near enough mid 20s and should not be getting a game in front of the likes off Martial Mata Mkytarin or Rashford. Personally I would prefer to see Young or Depay start other than Lingard but I know that is a minority opinion. I just think Lingard is completely average and not sure he even merits a squad place never mind a starting berth.
 
Santoryo said:
To be fair you have to counter the guy's argument with an actual example of Lingard's performance.

While the notion might look ridiculous on the surface due to Miki barely playing 20 or so minutes in that game to Lingard many games, what we saw from Miki in that game where driving runs past players, driving the ball forward and threatening the opponents defense, something I wouldn't be able to say about Lingard throughout this season so far(nor that I'm expecting him to make driving runs past players etc in future games).
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Pretty sure he linked up pretty well and set up Mata for a goal as well as scoring a beauty in the Europa cup. A goal and an assist beats a driving run.
 
verminater said:
Luckily on a public forum, one doesn't have to wait to be asked one's opinion.
You are ranting. The shear volume of text expended on decrying Lingard tells me that your obsession is not normal.
The snide remarks towards people with differing opinions, are unnecessary , and give an impression of an unstable individual, overly invested in his own prejudices.
But no one asked me.
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On the money!
 
Emdad Ahmed said:
Stats don't tell the whole picture.

But, according to squawka(per 90), among Rooney, Mata, Rashford, Martial & himself, he has more key passes than everyone(yes even Mata) and a higher pass completion rate & a higher number of shots than any of them bar Mata. This says one thing. He is safe but provides a reliable attacking contribution while ALSO giving good defensive cover.

Ideally, we want Mkhi to be given a chance in his stead and Jesse mightn't be the best at his craft. But, people lambasting him are being way too harsh
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Cos they haters
 
JoaquinJoaquin said:
Also, The main headline from the MEN Saturday:

Manchester United player ratings: Mata class but Lingard woeful


Lingard
Did not justify his selection in the side. Attacks constantly broke down when the ball arrived at his garish coloured boots and he was fortunate to start. 3
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ESPNFC rating

http://www.espn.in/football/club/ma...imovic-off-target-again-for-manchester-united


FW Jesse Lingard, 6 -- A frustrating performance, in that his industry was again not matched by his execution. He had a fine header turned away by Heaton, but also failed to make some simple passes that would have set his team on dangerous attacks.
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Daily mail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...R-RATINGS-Heaton-stars-Ibrahimovic-flops.html

Jesse Lingard 6.5 – Will wonder how he didn’t score. Denied by great fingertip save from Heaton in the first half, and hit the post in the second half
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These to me seems more apt. Didn't do a whole lot right but didn't do much wrong either
 
Lawman said:
Lingard is a very average footballer regardless of the stats this is what my eyes tell me. He's following the exact same pathway of Tom Cleverley. It's great to see youth coming through and get their chance but when they're not up to it they should be moved on. Lingard is near enough mid 20s and should not be getting a game in front of the likes off Martial Mata Mkytarin or Rashford. Personally I would prefer to see Young or Depay start other than Lingard but I know that is a minority opinion. I just think Lingard is completely average and not sure he even merits a squad place never mind a starting berth.
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Lingard has two assists and two goals, a better contribution so far than Martial and Mkhitaryan. If that alone doesn't qualify him as a good squad player option at the least then I don't know what does. You can ignore the stats all you want, but the only one that really stands out and the one you can't argue against is his chances created stat. He's not a passenger. You can't even quantify 'he's following the exact same pathway of Tom Cleverley'. Lingard has already surpassed Cleverley in terms of games started, games played, assists and goals. I guess we shall see won't we? So far Lingard has won over LVG and Mourinho, two experienced managers who know a thing or two about winning. He's also about to sign a four year contract doubling his wages. I doubt he's going anywhere anytime soon.
 
Loublaze said:
Lingard has two assists and two goals, a better contribution so far than Martial and Mkhitaryan. If that alone doesn't qualify him as a good squad player option at the least then I don't know what does. You can ignore the stats all you want, but the only one that really stands out and the one you can't argue against is his chances created stat. He's not a passenger. You can't even quantify 'he's following the exact same pathway of Tom Cleverley'. Lingard has already surpassed Cleverley in terms of games started, games played, assists and goals. I guess we shall see won't we? So far Lingard has won over LVG and Mourinho, two experienced managers who know a thing or two about winning. He's also about to sign a four year contract doubling his wages. I doubt he's going anywhere anytime soon.
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Good post. So many dire points in this thread that are a complete affront to logic.
 
Loublaze said:
Lingard has two assists and two goals, a better contribution so far than Martial and Mkhitaryan. If that alone doesn't qualify him as a good squad player option at the least then I don't know what does. You can ignore the stats all you want, but the only one that really stands out and the one you can't argue against is his chances created stat. He's not a passenger. You can't even quantify 'he's following the exact same pathway of Tom Cleverley'. Lingard has already surpassed Cleverley in terms of games started, games played, assists and goals. I guess we shall see won't we? So far Lingard has won over LVG and Mourinho, two experienced managers who know a thing or two about winning. He's also about to sign a four year contract doubling his wages. I doubt he's going anywhere anytime soon.
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Lingard the catalyst to our failure
 
Loublaze said:
Lingard has two assists and two goals, a better contribution so far than Martial and Mkhitaryan.
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Erm..
Lingard - 462 minutes
Martial - 491 minutes

Both have 2 goals, 2 assists.

Miki - 107 minutes

Point is, Martial is having a shite season so far, we all know that, he's bang out of form, has suffered with injury & is still matching Lingard with a similar amount of minutes.

Miki has played just 107 minutes so comparing his contribution is ridiculous.
 
Santoryo said:
Daily mail ratings are often garbage and agenda driven. They have Pogba a 5 so they can continue their narrative about him flopping and failing to meet his price tag.
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The Mirror gave him a 7
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-burnley-player-ratings-9152627

Goal gave him 3/5
http://www.goal.com/en/match/manchester-united-vs-burnley/2241851/ratings

Express gave him 6

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...-United-player-ratings-Burnley-sportgalleries

Caughtoffside gave him 5

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2016/10/29/manchester-united-player-ratings-vs-burnley/
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Erm..
Lingard - 462 minutes
Martial - 491 minutes

Both have 2 goals, 2 assists.

Miki - 107 minutes

Point is, Martial is having a shite season so far, we all know that, he's bang out of form, has suffered with injury & is still matching Lingard with a similar amount of minutes.

Miki has played just 107 minutes so comparing his contribution is ridiculous.
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As ridiculous as people on here saying Miki's Hull performance was better than anything Lingard has contributed so far?
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
He made the argument Sham.
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Unless I'm mistaken you said "Thing is, you no doubt think like the rest of us, that Martial is in shocking form this season but you're happy for the same from Lingard."

Which is saying "I think you think how I think therefore you are wrong, and I will prove it by putting forward the argument that you think this".

Martial is a fantastic player, and will probably turn out much better than Lingard. But Lingard has many qualities that Martial lacks, such as not standing around a lot of the time looking like he couldn't give a shit. It's not fecking apples and apples
 
Shamwow said:
Unless I'm mistaken you said "Thing is, you no doubt think like the rest of us, that Martial is in shocking form this season but you're happy for the same from Lingard."

Which is saying "I think you think how I think therefore you are wrong, and I will prove it by putting forward the argument that you think this".

Martial is a fantastic player, and will probably turn out much better than Lingard. But Lingard has many qualities that Martial lacks, such as not standing around a lot of the time looking like he couldn't give a shit. It's not fecking apples and apples
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Ah ok, Because I seen Lingard hiding away from the ball on quite a few occasions last season when I was at Old Trafford or does that not count?
 
JoaquinJoaquin said:
Ah ok, Because I seen Lingard hiding away from the ball on quite a few occasions last season when I was at Old Trafford or does that not count?
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Ooh he hid on a few occasions an entire season ago in your (admittedly terrible) opinion. Yes that discounts the fact that most people think that off-the-ball work is a strength of his.
 
Loublaze said:
When people start saying Lingard is not even PL or Championship material you know its nothing but pure hate.
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Funny as you used to say the same shit about Tom Cleverley. But back then I used to agree with you.

Were you a hater too?
 
Shamwow said:
Ooh he hid on a few occasions an entire season ago in your (admittedly terrible) opinion. Yes that discounts the fact that most people think his off-the-ball work is a strength of his.
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'Admittedly terrible opinion', what does that even mean? :lol:

No surprise though to come in here and see Jesse's cousins the dynamic duo of LouBlaze and Shamwow defending him to the hilt as per..

I'll just let Lingard's poor performances do the talking for me for the rest of the season. Not going to keep going back and forth.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Erm..
Lingard - 462 minutes
Martial - 491 minutes

Both have 2 goals, 2 assists.

Miki - 107 minutes

Point is, Martial is having a shite season so far, we all know that, he's bang out of form, has suffered with injury & is still matching Lingard with a similar amount of minutes.

Miki has played just 107 minutes so comparing his contribution is ridiculous.
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Funny you actually pointed this out. Martial and Lingard have had basically the same output so far this season and the consensus is that he's been poor so far and needs to rediscover his form. His performances this season haven't been acceptable for many and most want to see Improvements.

Yet here on the other hand you have someone trying to argue how Lingard output are respectable and people should be fine with them despite having a poor return despite not even being hampered by niggling injuries to slow him down.

This just shows that people in general who don't accept Lingard level of performances aren't being obtuse or anything rather they're telling it how it is. It's been consensually agreed that Martial has been poor so far this season and need to improve and rediscover his form and no one depute that nor would be called a hater.

He's got the same output return as Lingard this season and it's poor. Just like Martial is being called out for his poor beginning to the season the same is being done with Lingard who's been poor.

Though the difference is that we know for a fact that the level currently being shown is t the real Martial and he is normally infinitely better than that and people can vouch for him.
 
Santoryo said:
Though the difference is that we know for a fact that the level currently being shown is t the real Martial and he is normally infinitely better than that and people can vouch for him.
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That's it there in a nutshell @Santoryo.

We can say that Martial is playing shite because everyone knows he's capable of so much better. If we however, say Lingard isn't doing anywhere near enough to be starting so many games, well it seems to be a problem for many due to that fact that this is Lingard, there's no next gear to click into so you're attacking him in a different way to the way you're attacking Martial.
 
Shamwow said:
Unless I'm mistaken you said "Thing is, you no doubt think like the rest of us, that Martial is in shocking form this season but you're happy for the same from Lingard."

Which is saying "I think you think how I think therefore you are wrong, and I will prove it by putting forward the argument that you think this".
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@Shamwow, come on pal really?

The guy said "Lingard has two assists and two goals, a better contribution so far than Martial and Mkhitaryan. If that alone doesn't qualify him as a good squad player option at the least then I don't know what does.".

So no, I don't think I know how he thinks, he's put it down himself in writing. If you're going to compare a player to show his quality & worth to the squad, well, this was a pretty awful attempt at it and was there to be shot down, it's a ridiculous argument.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
He made the argument Sham & I agree that it's a crap one.

Comparing a lad with "meh" stats to someone who hasn't played & someone bang out of form is just plain silly.
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He is the United player who has created the most chances this season so far. Hardly 'meh'.
 
Bojan11 said:
Funny as you used to say the same shit about Tom Cleverley. But back then I used to agree with you.

Were you a hater too?
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I liked Cleverley at first but it became very clear that he wasn't a United player. Lingard has surpassed what he achieved at OT in assists and goals, a much better contribution
 
JoaquinJoaquin said:
'Admittedly terrible opinion', what does that even mean? :lol:

No surprise though to come in here and see Jesse's cousins the dynamic duo of LouBlaze and Shamwow defending him to the hilt as per..

I'll just let Lingard's poor performances do the talking for me for the rest of the season. Not going to keep going back and forth.
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So you're hoping he plays 'poorly' just so you can prove a point? You might not rate him at all, but you don't think he's capable of changing your mind with performances that suit your high standards? Total bias
 
Lingard has been one of our better performers this season so far and I for one am really pleased for him.. He is building excellent relationships with the other young players around him - Rashford and Martial & Pogba - His running has created a lot of the space needed to play some of the less stodgy football we've seen and his tracking back provides good cover for the defence. There are far worse problems in the team to be solved than Lingard.. and the haters in this thread, frankly lads it's all a bit pathetic.
 
Loublaze said:
I liked Cleverley at first but it became very clear that he wasn't a United player. Lingard has surpassed what he achieved at OT in assists and goals, a much better contribution
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Problem being they play different positions. So to compare them in goals and assists is not fair. Although I think comparing their levels of performances are. Both are not united class.
 
Lawman said:
Problem being they play different positions. So to compare them in goals and assists is not fair. Although I think comparing their levels of performances are. Both are not united class.
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But Lingard has contributed more still, are you denying that? Cleverley was considered the possible next Paul Scholes. He prefered to play in advanced positions in midfield, he was a 'playmaker' not a deep lying CM.
 
Loublaze said:
But Lingard has contributed more still, are you denying that? Cleverley was considered the possible next Paul Scholes. He prefered to play in advanced positions in midfield, he was a 'playmaker' not a deep lying CM.
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Lingard has played as an inside forward often making runs into the box. Completely different from Cleverly. In my mind Lingard has shown the same level as Cleverley unlike Rashford who has shown the ability to be more.
 
Lawman said:
Lingard has played as an inside forward often making runs into the box. Completely different from Cleverly. In my mind Lingard has shown the same level as Cleverley unlike Rashford who has shown the ability to be more.
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So you're saying Lingard hasn't contributed more than Cleverly did? Im not talking about what level you think he is and what positions they played. Overall contribution thus far
 
Loublaze said:
So you're saying Lingard hasn't contributed more than Cleverly did? Im not talking about what level you think he is and what positions they played. Overall contribution thus far
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He has contributed more goals and assists (although why that's relevant given both their positions I'm not buying it). But Cleverley was an England regular racking up many starts whilst Lingard has just made his debut (Another useless stat in my opinion)!!
 
Owngoalscorer said:
Obviously people who know more about football than some on here have the right idea
Cleverly is gone..
Lingard new contract...
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Saying both are/were not United first 11 level so not sure what your point is?
 
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