You are not helping the discussion. No one is blaming him for getting picked. People question why he plays so much and have their ideas on who could take his position.
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You are not helping the discussion. No one is blaming him for getting picked. People question why he plays so much and have their ideas on who could take his position.
HATERZ! why would United fans hate their own players? Especially local ones. Come off it mate, for christ sake.
I posted the video of Mhki's performance against Hull,watch that and tell me if you seriously believe that performance was better than anything Lingard has done this season.
As I've stated before he's started most of the games this season because other players haven't simply done well.
Memphis? Has he even had a shot on target all season? Young? Better as a wingback than anything providing attack. Rashford has been playing on the left, same with Martial but both have had a month to forget.
And Mata has been playing #10 more than on the RW this season. So outside of Mkhi I fail to see who he is displacing currently.
Young isn't better, he played against Liverpool because he's a defensive minded player who provides very little upfront. Offensively when was the last time got an assist? A cross that hit its intended target? A goal? I can't remember. He hasn't played since because Mourinho obviously recognises his lack of offensive contribution.
Considering a month ago we started the first of a very tough run of games, and none of our players have played consistently well during that time, I fail to see how the blame falls solely on Lingard.
Zlatan has been terrible, Rashford, Martial, Pogba have shown glimpses - and considering all three have higher ceiling/potential than Lingard surely they should take more of the blame? They are the more talented players after all.
Even Smalling & Blind have suffered recently. The only players i've been happy with consistently have been Valencia, Herrera & Mata - and that's not really saying much.
And like I said, in the long term Lingard wont be starter, but he will be a squad player. I don't see what's the problem with that.
We're not going to have a 23 man squad filled with 30million players.
Lol, well this debate got heated overnight...
Just to clarify my earlier point, I wasn't comparing Lingard to Park in terms of ability or success. Clearly that's not the case. What I'm saying is they're both somewhat limited players (Park was far from the best player in our squad back then) who work hard to make up for it and despite not being individually brilliant they link up well with the team.
Lingard isn't a regular starter most of the time anyway. Martial is out injured, Mkhi isn't fully fit, Mata isn't as good on the wing and the other options are Depay and Young, so it makes sense that he's starting right now - besides Rashford he's (IMO) our best option.
In future once we get players back fit he'll be a useful squad player. He's one of our own who plays for the shirt and we don't have enough of that at the moment.
Just to clarify my earlier point, I wasn't comparing Lingard to Park in terms of ability or success. Clearly that's not the case. What I'm saying is they're both somewhat limited players (Park was far from the best player in our squad back then) who work hard to make up for it and despite not being individually brilliant they link up well with the team.
Lingard isn't a regular starter most of the time anyway. Martial is out injured, Mkhi isn't fully fit, Mata isn't as good on the wing and the other options are Depay and Young, so it makes sense that he's starting right now - besides Rashford he's (IMO) our best option.
In future once we get players back fit he'll be a useful squad player. He's one of our own who plays for the shirt and we don't have enough of that at the moment.
I don't need to see YouTube videos, I seen the game with my own eyes so I know it was. I'm still waiting to hear that game Lingard was better in?
I stated earlier who he is currently displacing: Mkhi, Young and Memphis. It may not have been the case of that for each game but for the past few it certainly has. And in those cases I would rather play any of those (barring Memphis arguably) as I feel once they are on top form they are better players. Regardless of reason though, When you play average players you get average results like I stated.
Can agree to disagree there then. Ashley Young hasn't started a lot of games as a winger over the last 12 months so it's hard to gauge a comparison, But I know if he had started as many games there as Lingard has his stats would be better.
I never said the blame falls solely on Lingard as the squad as under performed as a whole and that is 1 of the reasons we are in the position we are. But if we want to be up there challenging again we need to have better players than Lingard in the pivitol positions. If we still had a player like Cristiano Ronaldo to bail us out most of the time you could maybe get away with playing Lingard like we did Richardson. But at present we don't have anyone like that so we need better contributions throught the whole team.
I agreed that the Lingard of August \ September could possibly be a squad player here. But this current version (and arguably most of last season bar 6 or 7 games) isn't good enough.
Lingard played better against Stoke, Fenerbache, Leicester (both games), Burnley off the top of my head straight away - in those games particularly he passed to players who should have scored (Something Mhiki didn't do against Hull) and almost scored on a few occasions himself & he obviously scored against Fenerbache & Leicester in the CS (something Mhki didn't do) played some good 1-2 lay off passes too (something Mkhi only did a few times)
Young and Memphis are left sided players. Memphis has been terrible every single time he's played except a quick 10 minute cameo against Fenerbache I believe? When we were already 3-1 up. Like I said, I can't remember his last goal or assist. As for Young, the fact that he hasn't played regularly as a winger in the last 12 months should give you a good indication of what both LVG & Mourinho think of his attacking contributions. I do remember he had a good period towards the end of the 2014/15 season and kept AdM out of the time, but that's over a year and a half ago now. What has he done in the last 12 months offensively? Not much.
We can agree to disagree, but considering both LVG & Mourinho consistently picked Lingard over Young & Memphis is a pretty good indicator, it might be that our squad isn't good enough right now, which I'd agree with, but that's not something which can be changed so quickly.
Young & Memphis are more likely to be sold than Lingard, I actually think he's close to signing a new deal so obviously Mourinho wants him around.
For the record Lingard is not keeping Mkhitaryan out of the team. I keep seeing this used as a reason to get on Jesse's back but it's clearly false. Mkhitaryan is not even making the bench at the moment. If Mourinho doesn't see him as even an option to have in his match day squad then that isn't because of Jesse. There's clearly something else going on whether or not you believe Mourinhos quip that he just needs time to train hard and get up to speed.
Who knows, just like Fellaini was keeping Herrera(and still keeping Carrick) out of the team. Or how Rooney kept Mata out of the team until recently.
These things seem to happen with us, probably because wey've had to do with pragmatic managers lately who would rather play workhorses type of players instead of the skillful ones.
His recent form reminds me of the utter shite he served up for a few months after Christmas last season. His problem is that when he's bad, he's absolutely horrible. Squad player at best, but to be a squad player, he needs to show the form he was displaying early on in the season otherwise he shouldn't be near the squad.
I love the circular logic of "i don't think x, y, z team wouldn't play him so therefore he is shit"
Don't agree. Are you really saying Burnley, Burnley? All credibility has gone in your argument there because he was crap in that game. Was even rated one of the lowest in the match day thread if I can recall. Is 'passing to a player who should of scored' and 'lay off passes' an acheivement now? If it is then we really are clutching at straws.
Both of those are more than capable of playing on the right so of course they are competition. I think if you asked either of those players they would bite your arm off to play in that position at the moment. As you say, Young displaced ADM when he was last playing as a winger.
It looks like he will be getting a new contract and I agree with his wage increase, as a starter he deserves more money. But that doesn't necessarily say he will be still here in a few years. Just look at Nani for example.
Which teams would he stand out at then in the Premier League? I'm intrigued. And I don't want to hear 'could do a job at...'
Why are you lots so stubborn? People are saying he is average because that's what he's been with us.
He gets on the pitch and put on mediocre displays and he doesn't have the numbers to warrant him starting as much games as he has for us.
It's as simple as that.
Shut up, I literally just pointed out one shit argument that gets trotted out time and time again and nothing more so chill the feck out.
I had written Jesse off at the start of the season, mainly because last season he could go months doing literally nothing and then scoring a decent goal which was followed by everyone getting giddy.
This season id say overall he has looked much better than last season, he's scoring more regularly and he's even looked a decent player at times. I still don't think he should be anywhere near starting for us though, but with Martial injured and Mkhy not fit enough we don't have a lot of choice.
I'm still not sure he is good enough to be a squad player for us, but time will tell.
This season id say overall he has looked much better than last season, he's scoring more regularly and he's even looked a decent player at times. I still don't think he should be anywhere near starting for us though, but with Martial injured and Mkhy not fit enough we don't have a lot of choice.
I'm still not sure he is good enough to be a squad player for us, but time will tell.
I literally don't care, it's a stupid argument for imbeciles
You pointed out nothing of a sort other than your passive aggressive bollox. Great argument.
Thought so.
He's clearly a great debater.
Dude behave.
Yup. But what do we know, we are just 'HATERZ'
Did I say that in my post?
Yes Burnley, if you look at the Mhki game against Hull you'll see exactly what I mean.
You're blinded by your favouritism of Mkhi that you actually seem to have forgotten just how average he truly was in that game.
Considering Lingard would have gotten assists or goals but for poor finishing/good goalkeeping yes, that's a crucial part of attacking play. Lay off passes are also part of link up play, and help quicken attacks. The reason I pointed those out was because this is precisely the type of thing Mkhi didn't do when he played against Hull.
Both of those players clearly aren't more capable of playing on the right, because they simply do not play on the right. Not for LVG, not for Mourinho & not for their national teams either.
They would bite my arm off to play in that position because they're not playing at all. Memphis gets 10 minutes if he's lucky and Young has had 6 appearances this season and done what exactly? Absolutely nothing, offensively at least.
As for the contract situation, considering Nani's contract was handled by Moyes, that's a pretty poor example, it's more likely that Mourinho approved the agreement to extend his contract and increase his wages because he sees him as being around the squad. £60k a week sounds like the typical wage for a squad player. Which is exactly what i've been saying this whole time. He will be a squad player, as we transition and play better football we'll play better as a team and get better individuals.
But in two years time I don't anticipate Memphis or Young to be here, but Lingard will.
A rating from an independent website from after the Burnley match:
But yeah, people are just making up the fact that he was dog shit.
But yeah, people are just making up the fact that he was dog shit.
I don't like the argument that some people are running with at the minute that if he had scored people would be saying he did well. Scoring is the point of football of course if he scored people would rate him higher, he had chances and failed to convert them whilst not playing particularly well either.
Also, The main headline from the MEN Saturday:
Manchester United player ratings: Mata class but Lingard woeful
Lingard
Did not justify his selection in the side. Attacks constantly broke down when the ball arrived at his garish coloured boots and he was fortunate to start. 3
Manchester United player ratings: Mata class but Lingard woeful
Lingard
Did not justify his selection in the side. Attacks constantly broke down when the ball arrived at his garish coloured boots and he was fortunate to start. 3
I'm Lingard's number one fan. When he suffers I suffer but I have to say his absolute ceiling is making it as a squad player here. He isn't consistent enough however he's more than useful for those tactical games.
He does deserve a spot in the squad but he's not the root cause to our troublesome season. Ibra needs to be dropped and Rashford needs to play as a striker! The sooner Martial and Mika get back in the team the better. The only player right now playing with purpose is Mata.
He does deserve a spot in the squad but he's not the root cause to our troublesome season. Ibra needs to be dropped and Rashford needs to play as a striker! The sooner Martial and Mika get back in the team the better. The only player right now playing with purpose is Mata.
Why don't you marry him
You sure put a lot of effort into slagging him off.Yup. But what do we know, we are just 'HATERZ'
If I were to use that term, it would probably be in relation to you.
Can't mate.....you know I'm already happily married to Yo Mama
Good job no one is asking you then isn't it.
I'm not a hater at all. Why would I hate a player that wears our shirt? The mere suggestion is just stupid. I can say when I have an opinion on a player though, isn't that the point in a forum?
Not every player for Manchester United is always going to be fantastic. The problem we have is that as we slip away from Europe's top teams, the number of players underperforming \ not good enough is going to be higher, hence the criticism. If you read the thread I was giving him credit in here when it was due.
Yup. But what do we know, we are just 'HATERZ'
If the crown fits. You're berating Lingard for his Burnley performance as if he did absolutely nothing yet he forced two saves out of Heaton (one a great save from a header) and was involved in good buildup play that should've led to at least one goal. According to your logic Mkhitaryan's performance against Hull which didn't even result in him making a single attempt at goal is much better than ANYTHING Lingard has done this season
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If the crown fits. You're berating Lindegard for his Burnley performance as if he did absolutely nothing yet he forced two saves out of Heaton (one a great save from a header) and was involved in good buildup play that should've led to at least one goal. According to your logic Mkhitaryan's only good performance against Hull which didn't even see him make a single attempt at goal is much better
You can't even spell the guys name right who you are defending. Get the basics right if you are going to come at me. Practically every report said the same that Lingard was crap so I don't know why you are even trying to justify that. Check the match ratings and practically any match review. Not everybody in the world can be wrong aside from you Lingard lovers.
Unless you are talking about Lindegaard the goalkeeper, in that case I didn't see his performance against Burnley so cannot comment.
It was a mistake. I don't really care what the papers said. 3 is not a reflection of what happened on the pitch. If that header went in they'd have gave him 6/7.You're right, he played even worse.
Coppell, Kancheslkis, Best, Ronaldo, Beckham, Giggs.......Jesse Lingard lol
Whilst I understand your rant can you at least take back your comment that Mika's Hull appearance was better then anything Lindgard has done this season. That's just crazy talk
To be fair you have to counter the guy's argument with an actual example of Lingard's performance.Whilst I understand your rant can you at least take back your comment that Mika's Hull appearance was better then anything Lindgard has done this season. That's just crazy talk
While the notion might look ridiculous on the surface due to Miki barely playing 20 or so minutes in that game to Lingard many games, what we saw from Miki in that game where driving runs past players, driving the ball forward and threatening the opponents defense, something I wouldn't be able to say about Lingard throughout this season so far(nor that I'm expecting him to make driving runs past players etc in future games).
Luckily on a public forum, one doesn't have to wait to be asked one's opinion.
You are ranting. The shear volume of text expended on decrying Lingard tells me that your obsession is not normal.
The snide remarks towards people with differing opinions, are unnecessary , and give an impression of an unstable individual, overly invested in his own prejudices.
But no one asked me.
Stats don't tell the whole picture.
But, according to squawka(per 90), among Rooney, Mata, Rashford, Martial & himself, he has more key passes than everyone(yes even Mata) and a higher pass completion rate & a higher number of shots than any of them bar Mata. This says one thing. He is safe but provides a reliable attacking contribution while ALSO giving good defensive cover.
Ideally, we want Mkhi to be given a chance in his stead and Jesse mightn't be the best at his craft. But, people lambasting him are being way too harsh
But, according to squawka(per 90), among Rooney, Mata, Rashford, Martial & himself, he has more key passes than everyone(yes even Mata) and a higher pass completion rate & a higher number of shots than any of them bar Mata. This says one thing. He is safe but provides a reliable attacking contribution while ALSO giving good defensive cover.
Ideally, we want Mkhi to be given a chance in his stead and Jesse mightn't be the best at his craft. But, people lambasting him are being way too harsh
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