He'd actually look better playing for those teams, especially Liverpool and and Arsenal where there's a lot of link up play going on, something Lingard is very good at. United look shit at the moment and the club has no recognizable playing style
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He'd actually look better playing for those teams, especially Liverpool and and Arsenal where there's a lot of link up play going on, something Lingard is very good at. United look shit at the moment and the club has no recognizable playing style
Some ridiculous posts in this thread. Embarassing
Don't really rate him tbh, he's the new Cleverley/Welbeck.
I don't understand why Lingard gets the hate he does. He is a good player. He might not be the most talented kid to pull on a red shirt but he is clever, makes good runs, takes up good positions and is a decent finisher. I can see why Mourinho is willing to give him a chance. I think he played well at the weekend. Found the position for his header really well. Its just a shame he couldn't go across the keeper with it.
It's not hate, it's just the realisation from our fans that he is not good enough to be a starter for United, especially when we have better players not getting game time. After all, it's not Lingard's fault for getting picked, fair play to him, I'm sure he cherishes every time he gets to put on the shirt.
He's not a good player, he's as average a PL footballer as you'll get imo. I have doubts whether he is even good enough to be a squad player to be honest. We would need world class players attackers alongside him in order to break down any stubborn defence. What he does offer however is good off the ball movement, decent link up play and you can always count on him to follow instructions and put in his defensive shift. I'm not convinced whether that is enough to warrant the game time he is currently getting, or even that of a squad player.
Lingard has to score more goals and become more of a goal threat, he's never going to be one of our most important players but he can become a good squad player who's capable of playing in 30 games a season.
Why does not rating a player equate to 'hate' on here these days?
Who should be playing that you think Lingard is 'robbing' game time from? I don't think he's dislodged Martial in the pecking order for instance. Martial has been in and out with injuries. Also, why do you think both LVG and Mourinho have shown faith in him in big games?
Mkhi being the obvious one. I'd also rather Young, he can do all the things Lingard does and can also occasionally beat his man as well. I'd actually say Young's all round defensive game is better than Lingard's.
Depay also deserves a chance in my opinion. He must be an absolute shite trainer otherwise I find it extremely odd the fact he hasn't even been given a full half of football this season to prove himself, Northampton game excluded. He's been given a grand total 71 minutes from 6 games.
One of the reasons Andreas Pereira was also sent out on loan was due to us being over stocked in the wide / attacking midfielder areas. I would have liked to see Pereira get game time here, however I totally understand why Mourinho would see a loan move as more beneficial.
Honestly I think we should have signed a winger during the summer, or another winger on top of Mkhi, if you consider him a winger (who was obviously a gamble anyway considering we most likely knew about his mental fragility). I thought it was an obvious part of our squad where we were lacking serious quality, especially on the right side. I don't see Rashford nor Martial as wingers, they are being shoehorned due in order to fill a void.
I like Lingard. He's like Park - never an absolute top drawer player but he tries hard, can run all day and doesn't hide. He gets involved with good link up play, follows instructions and has a tendency to pop up with important goals. He might not give us individual strength but he helps us tick as a team 
I like Lingard. He's like Park - never an absolute top drawer player but he tries hard, can run all day and doesn't hide. He gets involved with good link up play, follows instructions and has a tendency to pop up with important goals. He might not give us individual strength but he helps us tick as a team
I agree
I like Lingard. He's like Park - never an absolute top drawer player but he tries hard, can run all day and doesn't hide. He gets involved with good link up play, follows instructions and has a tendency to pop up with important goals. He might not give us individual strength but he helps us tick as a team
Park actually played well in big games and his technique was miles better than Lingard.
Lingard can't dribble and cross. He scores the odd good goal. But is that what we expect from a Man Utd winger? Runs a lot and scoring the odd good goal.
The day Lingard puts in the sort of performances Park put in CL games and in crucial away games I'll agree.I like Lingard. He's like Park - never an absolute top drawer player but he tries hard, can run all day and doesn't hide. He gets involved with good link up play, follows instructions and has a tendency to pop up with important goals. He might not give us individual strength but he helps us tick as a team
He can't pass, can't dribble, can't cross, not strong. He makes space for himself well but that's not good enough .
This. Don't expect him to be here in a 2/3 years. Then again if he is the new Cleverley/Welbeck he may last longer than that!
He's a #10, not a winger, getting games on the wing as Mhki hasn't impressed at all in training and Young offers nothing whatsoever. When Mhki steps it up he will claim that spot. If Mata gets injured maybe Lingard can fill in at #10, would still be better than Rooney there.
I've always wondered this about him after hearing the story , maybe someone on here can confirm.
A mate of mine I met in Australia says he's fairly friendly with Jesse, and allegedly when we last won the league title, Ferguson told all the younger players who weren't in the squad to get their suit in and be ready to experience what it feels like to win the league at OT and be presented with the trophy. Allegedly , Jesse thought he should have been in the squad for the game and was so upset at not being part of it, he didn't bother putting his suit on and went home? Not performance related but didn't want to start a thread about it, just wondering if anyone could confirm/ deny as I couldn't see any pics of him on the pitch when we won it.
A mate of mine I met in Australia says he's fairly friendly with Jesse, and allegedly when we last won the league title, Ferguson told all the younger players who weren't in the squad to get their suit in and be ready to experience what it feels like to win the league at OT and be presented with the trophy. Allegedly , Jesse thought he should have been in the squad for the game and was so upset at not being part of it, he didn't bother putting his suit on and went home? Not performance related but didn't want to start a thread about it, just wondering if anyone could confirm/ deny as I couldn't see any pics of him on the pitch when we won it.
He is one of ours and we can't do without him. Deal with it. Seriously this guy is Manchester United, i don't care about anyone else than him and Rashford. We are good to go, nice.
Not sure how you don't want a player of Lingard's ilk in and around the squad. You can't have 23 Ronaldos. The kid is 23, very selfless and disciplined.
Last year was his first full year in the Premier League with United. He didn't do too bad. Match winner in the FA Cup and Community Shield.
We had John O'Shea and Wes Brown. Versatile players who you could rely on and did whatever they were asked for the greater good of the team. You can argue Brown had the most impressive singular season when United won the CL in 2008. He was the best and most consistent RB in the country that year.
Last year was his first full year in the Premier League with United. He didn't do too bad. Match winner in the FA Cup and Community Shield.
We had John O'Shea and Wes Brown. Versatile players who you could rely on and did whatever they were asked for the greater good of the team. You can argue Brown had the most impressive singular season when United won the CL in 2008. He was the best and most consistent RB in the country that year.
Massive overrating of Park's technique here, and Lingard performs well in the big games bar the first City derby of this season.
What is the 'Man United winger' anyway? Beckham was different from Ronaldo, Nani different from Best. The game has changed, the club needs to follow suit.
What are you talking about?
Beckham got assists. Ronaldo got both. Where did I say they need to be the same?
A Man Utd winger is somebody who actually creates or scores goals. Not somebody who is known for how much they run. It's not a running competition.
Lingard was piss poor against Chelsea too.
Lingard would not get in any top 10 squad. I doubt he'd get in the Stoke, Bournemouth or any of the lower league teams too. Only team he'd most likely get in is Sunderland.
Also Park was a mainstay in a team that reached the semi finals of the champions league and were unlucky to lose to Milan. He also played a part in Koreas 2002 World Cup run. Was in the champions league best 11 at Lingards age. So no I'm not overrating his technique. Now he wasn't Ronaldo or Beckham, but he was a damn lot better than Lingard. Even Nani on his worst day was.
I think you are massively overrating Lingard.
You, implying that he isn't a "Man United winger", is basically the same as saying they need to be the same
Yes, because Lingard is known for just running all over the place. Doesn't help the team at all aside from his dabbing. I guess both LVG and Mou rates him for being the next Usain Bolt.
Quite simply, you are wrong.
Howling. Talk about having a raging hate boner
Technique =/= ability
What he did not have was technique, but Park had bags of ability. A limited, yet very effective, tireless and selfless player who maximized the little talent he had to have a fruitful career, which is what some of us here wants to see for Lingard.
You, implying that he isn't a "Man United winger", is basically the same as saying they need to be the same
Yes, because Lingard is known for just running all over the place. Doesn't help the team at all aside from his dabbing. I guess both LVG and Mou rates him for being the next Usain Bolt.
Quite simply, you are wrong.
Howling. Talk about having a raging hate boner
Technique =/= ability
What he did not have was technique, but Park had bags of ability. A limited, yet very effective, tireless and selfless player who maximized the little talent he had to have a fruitful career, which is what some of us here wants to see for Lingard.
What game were you watching?
Lingard was crap against Chelsea. Talk about being a deluded fanboy of a player.
So what does Lingard offer? Does he offer goals or assist consistently? No. So enlighten me einstein?
Also yes because Mourinho and Van Gaal picking him must be justification that he is good. I mean both of them were picking Rooney and Fellaini. What's the point of a forum? Mourinho and Van Gaal are always right, so we shouldn't argue against some of their decisions.
And you're doing the opposite. Truth is somewhere in the middle. To suggest Sunderland are the only club in the league who would be interested in a 23 year old newly capped international who can play multiple positions is silly to say the least.
I doubt anyone can confirm or deny this with any genuine conviction but it seems a tad far fetched. Lingard wasn't in the first team squad that season, he wasn't on the bench for any of the four dead rubbers at the end so I'm not sure how he'd expect to be on it for the final home game. He's also said in several interviews that Fergie sat him down and told him that he thought he'd be ready for the first team when he was around 23 because he was small and a late developer. Warren Joyce also doesn't usually entertain that kind of ego in his U21s. Lingard was very good that season and the U21s were champions iirc but Januzaj was the star of that team (despite starting the season in the U18s) and even Januzaj was only named on the bench for the very last game the 5-5 at the Hawthornes. There were photos of Januzaj, Johnstone, Will Keane etc in the dressing room during the celebrations I'd be surprised if Lingard wasn't in some.
I think it's a shame that so many of our fans seem to dislike Lingard so much and it seems like it's more to do with his activity on social media rather than his actual footballing ability. He's actually part of the reason for our improved play and didn't have a bad game at all against Burnley.
How is Januzaj, who is the better player doing there?
Fact is a lot of people on these forums massively overhype youth players. Same used to be said about Cleverley. As soon as he left the same people started calling him crap.
You make it sound like getting a England cap is hard. It's quite easy when the talent level is average. Yes and getting your first cap at 23 is a massive achievement.
He can dribble and he's one of the better players in our squad at playing quick one-twos.
Lingard is a 'nothing' player. I wish somebody from the Caf was the manager of our club, in stead of 'nothing' managers like LVG and Mourinho so we could get rid of him. And horror of horrors, he is signing a new deal with both United and Adidas. Imagine! A 'nothing' player! What has he got over United and Adidas, and LVG and Mourinho, I wonder.
Best thing about him is linking up in the final third which can be a good tool to unlock teams but in general he seems too limited as footballer to be a regular starter.
Neymar used to be underrated here simply due to his hairsrtyles at the time.
People are weird.
Lingard will always be the scape goat. Where was Ibra, Rashford et al?
Nah it's ok just blame Lingard.
Nah it's ok just blame Lingard.
Not nearly as talented as Welbeck, though.
He's an ok option to have in the squad. Nice interplay but should not be getting so many starts. When he's getting regular starts he should be judged as a regular starter. And as a winger at Man Utd you should offer more in attack than he does.
Keep seeing this comparison with Park, Park contributed to League titles and European success, Lingard has been a regular at a side that can barely qualify for Europe. Park simply operated at a much higher level with much better result and it's an insult to his career here to hold Lingard to the same standard.
Keep seeing this comparison with Park, Park contributed to League titles and European success, Lingard has been a regular at a side that can barely qualify for Europe. Park simply operated at a much higher level with much better result and it's an insult to his career here to hold Lingard to the same standard.
Zlatan is getting plenty of stick and Rashford is 18.
Park had arguably the best attacking force to play along.
Lingard would easily do a job at Liverpool. Klopp is getting performances out of lesser/similar players tbf.
How is it even partly Lingard's fault that United have struggled for consistency since Fergie's retirement? By that logic you can also say Mata is a lesser player than Park. Lingard did score the winning F.A cup goal for United last season. Is the F.A cup a worthless title? How many seasons has Lingard been a proper first team player? He only usurped Memphis from the starting lineup last season under LVG
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Nope, it's not although he doesn't help himself there either. It's more the fact that 8 out of 10 performances he turns out are rubbish. And the problem with Lingard is when he is rubbish he is terrible. He isn't skilled enough to be a starter at this club.
For the record, he was crap against Burnley and i'd argue he often stifles our attack rather than improving it. When we have Martial back on form and Mkhi in the team that will genuinelly improve our attack. We will never get top 4 with Lingard as a starter, mark my words.
Well he certainly wouldn't get a game over Coutinho, Firmino, Mane or Lallana so i'd argue he wouldn't 'do a job'.
IMO he'd get enough game time to establish himself as a very useful squad player. Lingard has attributes that a lot of managers admire. Even Pochettino would use a player like him. A lot of his critics on here will be disappointed if they think he'll be sold anytime soon. I think United have just offered to double his wages in a new contract
Ibra is being battered in his own thread and rightly so after his poor performances.
Lingard is poor and being called out in a thread dedicated to his performance, I don't see anything wrong with that.
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